Rogue One is the only one of these new movies that I really enjoy and re-watch. I really didn't expect Disney to allow that ending for the rebels sent Scarif but I'm glad they did. I also kinda love how they blend it into Episode IV.

Same, I started rise of Skywalker, and only after the ridiculous opening sequence I was already done with the whole thing. And I love Star Wars.

Disney pitch room:

"Okay, hear me out. What if: ... a bigger Death Star!"

"Excellent! What will we call it?"

"Hmm... how about Star Killer!"

"GENIUS."

I will give Rise of Skywalker one thing and one thing only: Babu Frik. I know he was probably designed by committee to be cute and endearing, but man I love that little dude.

TLJ is what I think gave the sequel trilogy... hope.

TFA is very much a nostalgia grab re-tread of ANH. Which is the point. Evil has come back and something something it rhymes.

TLJ is all about breaking the cycle. The hero? She isn't a chosen one. She is a random unhoused garbage goblin. The reluctant hero? He isn't coming back for selfish reasons (wanting to bang Leia) and is instead realizing that he is part of something bigger than him. The confident scoundrel? He got told quite definitively that he is a childish moron who gets people killed and to do better.

And Luke? if he was really The Chosen One... why did everything repeat? The stories of our parents aren't gonna solve things so let's try something new. Let's democratize force powers. Let's ACTUALLY fight against tyranny.

And then China allegedly got pissed and Disney had JJ come back to undo everything in the first 30 minutes of ROS. And only really succeeded in making a movie that EVERYBODY hates.

That said? Rogue One and Andor were somehow snuck in there and those are very much a Star Wars made for people who grew up watching the prequels. And it is amazing for it.

Mandelorean S1 was great

Ahsoka was fun.

I liked rogue one.

Largely everything Disney makes now is trash. Everything is written by an executive and it's always bad.

Same reason I dont read the Mr Men books anymore.

Actually no, the Mr Men books arent completely shit.

Solid Freudian slip.

This is the right and complete answer.

Plus Kylo-Ren is not scary or intimidating

He just seems like a force wielding spaz

So there is no threat, or sense of danger....zzzz

I can watch comically bad sci fi

Ordinarily I agree but dear god stay away from Rebel Moon, worst shit ever and not in a remotely fun way

This. Mandalorian sets the new canon (BoBF is non-canon though).

Ok but for real Andor is only a Star Wars show because of setting. The story, dialogue, etc are all a cut above anything else. Most of the things you think of with Star Wars (light sabers, the Force, etc) are really not part of the story. I hope you’ll give it a chance because I’m not a huge fan of Star Wars (OT is good but that’s about it for me) but Andor is fantastic.

Andor is by a large distance the most fully-realized and profound Star Wars anything and they manage to do it in all directions: the action is good and in the spirit of the original Star Wars trilology, the characters are believable and not cardboard deep (unlike the original triology), the context of the story is one of fully realized believable societies

The story is mainly consistent and believable, with various threads that criss-cross in a natural and coherent way and are eventually brought all the way to a conclusion and no further - the latter a rarity for TV Series, which tend to end not at a natural conclusion of a story but instead past the end of the story and after "just one more" (sometimes two) seasons are forced in, which are shit. In Andor, maybe only a few things in the last few episodes of the last season felt like they've been forcefully wrapped up to reach a conclusion but mainly the whole thing just naturally reached an ending.

Shit, even the architecture and wardrobe design are consistent and memorable in those things which weren't "inherited" from previous Movies and Series in the Star Wars universe - Ghorman especially is visually a fully believable and realized environment nicelly entwinned and consistent with traditional Star Wars universe elements.

Andor is, however, not the pure roller coaster of action that the original triology is.

I would recommend the Original Triology and Rogue Squadron as exciting roller coasters of action in a fully realized futuristic sci-fi environment and Andor as a good long-form story, with depth, well written, fully realized, well acted and with great production values that happens to take place in the Star Wars universe (so it also ticks the pleasant memories of those who grew up with the Triology) and does have plenty of Action, whilst being a lot more than just that.

I think people have forgotten how to write good movies since it's been such a long period of remakes and franchise garbage.

Plus corporate greed and algorithms have resulted in cookie cutter scripts that "should please the largest amount of people" or some shit like that.

Everything is made to me inoffensive to anyone and appeal to the widest variety of people.

There's no movies that tailor to a specific audience anymore, where 20-30% of people will think it's amazing, instead 40-60% of people might think "meh, might as well watch it"

I have absolutely no desire to see any of the three again, sadly

Hey don't insult b-movies

There is some mercenary type woman in body armor and face shield that Poe Dameron meets for some reason in the last movie.

You could put a gun to my head or offer me millions of dollars, and I still wouldn't be able to name that character.

One thing I'll say, it feels like the reason for killing off Han wasn't for the shock value, but because Harrison hates the role so much and wanted to kill off a fan favorite out of spite.

If you ever decide to try again, I would recommend Rogue One and Andor. They're the best movie and best show to come out of the nonsense.

They could've developed the different jedi codexes, but they just let them burn!

Attenborough on the new trilogy

As did the prequel trilogy.

And if we're being honest, so did Return of the Jedi.

No Star Wars media can live up to the one that lives in our heads.

I've liked a lot of Abrams' work, but yes, he really shat on Star Wars/Trek. I find he has great ideas, and great starts for those ideas, but he just gets bogged down with all the history and storylines, ending up with an absolute slog, with lots of explosions and lens flares to distract from that. So, given all that, I'm not surprised with his disappointing results with both multi-episode stories told over decades.

I was a big fan of 2009's Star Trek. Saw it a bunch in theaters. I've rewatched it a time or two recently (wife digs it) and, aside from the cast, I really don't like it. It doesn't feel like Star Trek (and I'm someone who will find things to defend about Discovery and loved Starfleet Academy while DS9 remains my all-time favorite series). But boyhowdy is Chris Pine great as Kirk. Zachary Quinto is also phenomenal as Spock. I could actually go either way with the castings of Uhura, Scotty, and Sulu. But Karl Urban as McCoy must be defended at all costs.

Abrams, when it comes to Star Trek and Star Wars feels like he's making what popular culture thinks of those franchises and not what the franchises themselves are all about, if that makes sense. It's almost a parody.

because people love his movies.