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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

household income over $X per what period of time?

I somehow don't find it very plausible that there are many people who believe that 21% of people are transgender, or even 30% gay or lesbian. But I too would have overestimated the number of atheists.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think they should be including a range for the true value for the minorities, since a lot of these numbers are inexact.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    5% of Americans own a car but not a drivers licence.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    indians, from india are one of the richest POC groups in america.

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  • [+] 173 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (17 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Well, that is pretty much how television seems to think things are...

    I always thought it was weird how in so many shows that are targeted to a nationwide audience how often they seem to just assume some specific subway thing in NYC is something that their audience will instantly get and relate to.

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  • [–] 147 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    They think 21% are transgender too.... A lot of propaganda has gone through these people.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    “Transvestigation” is fucking insane and there are a lot of people who are convinced that many celebrities are secretly trans.

    I think it mostly started with disgusting conspiracies about Michelle Obama (they literally believe that Sasha and Malia were kidnapped, even have specific missing children they think they are). Alex Jones and his ilk think Michelle was born Michael.

    This was a thing that developed I think late in his presidency, then it expanded to several other figures. My favorite is Donald Glover as a trans man - I’ll gladly welcome Childish Gambino into my community.

    It’s a serious “Q anon” type mentally ill worldview.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Donald Glover as a trans man? I'm currious what makes them think that? Either way, dudes a fucking legend and is welcome in any community I'm in.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Messi

    But I thought only trans women were “cheating” at sports.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    trans men are cheating because they still consider them women, and women aren't allowed to be good at sports.

    it somehow always manages to boil down to misogyny with these people

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think you’re missing my joke about Messi. He’s one of the best players in soccer/football, and the MAGATs think he’s a trans man? Which would mean he was a woman who is now dominating men’s sport.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    By the looks of it, it's 30% to NYC, 30% to Texas, and 30% to California. So 10% for literally everywhere else in the US. That's gotta be close, right?

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  • [+] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They also believe they are a majority of the world population, which is incredibly obvious if you spend any time online (that theu believe that, not that they are that). Several times when I've said that the US population is 3% of the world population I've gotten replies saying that can't be true or that I and dumb for believing obviously false facts or obvious anti-American propaganda... Absolutely pathetic.

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Feels like they polled an elementary school in Philadelphia

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Feels like they polled an elementary school in Jersey

    You mean the state with the highest ranked Pre-K-12 by US News and World Report? That Jersey?

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

    Errr, I mean "Lol Jersey sucks amirite?"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not even relevant. Kids are stupid about scope at this age regardless of location. Jersey would explain the perspective disproportion of the NYC stat, which is a major outlier in the set while fitting the rest of the patterns well. Fa get abo dit

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    Only 3% Atheists... And all of them are here on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I know Americans love Jesus a whole lot but really only 4%. That just seems crazy low

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  • [–] 88 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I think it's because people are still uncomfortable answering "atheist" on questionnaires and polls. It's easier to say "no religious affiliation", and most people are probably agnostic instead of atheist anyway.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yea, similarly there is no way 70% of Americans are Christian. That's probably just the way they are raised and are likely to fill out if you don't feel comfortable saying "atheist".

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    70% Christian, 3% Atheist, 1% Muslim, 2% Jewish... WTF are the other 24%? Don't tell me there are that many Buddhist/Hindu/Shinto/etc. folks here! Something's not adding up.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You might be surprised about places other than SoCal and NY NY. Like growing up in Tennessee Alabama and Georgia, everyone seemed to have some affiliation. The level of engagement varied, but I never met someone that was an openly staunch atheist in real life. There is a deep stigma about such a thing in the South, - sadly. There, even extremists like Church of God are nominalized (screaming you're going to hell for an hour, exorcism/miracle drama nonsense, mobbing behaviors, religious masochism).

    It is likely one would need to be second or third generation removed from and religious social support network in a family unit before a person would truly answer atheist on such a poll. I don't think many people grow to the point of self awareness to care to define an anti religious god certainty at this stage in human cultural evolution.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    While I have not lived in the south I do have some deeply religious and conservative family members, so I do see where you're coming from. I just think even a good chunk of the people you mentioned have an affiliation to fit in and not because they are genuinely religious, i.e. pray regularly and go to church every Sunday. In other words, it's a cultural thing. They probably wouldn't go so far as to consider themselves atheist, but I could easily see them considering themselves culturally Christian and non-religious in practice. I have no idea what percentage that actually breaks down to, but my guess is it's a decent amount lower than 70%.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    These estimates are bananas, this only shows the systematic stupidification of Americans is highly successful.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's called propaganda! Relentless, unceasing bombardment of right wing brain rotting propaganda.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    There are some errors in the "correct" numbers For example, note that the respondents estimated that 89% of Americans have a high school diploma or higher. Yet the chart says the real figure is 65%. But doesn't that seem odd to you? Do you think on average 35% of people drop out of high school?

    No, the source of this error is that the question is poorly worded. 90% of Americans 25 or older have a college degree. The graphic indicates the poll asked specifically about adults. And it seems the respondents had the correct answer, about 90%.

    I don't know where they get the figure that only 65% of adults have a high school degree. My best estimate is that they mixed up "the percentage of adults with a high school degree" and "the percent of people with a high school degree." The latter would count all current K12 students, as they obviously don't have their diploma yet.

    This is one item that really stood as an obvious and glaring error. And if I can see this one, I wonder if other numbers in either the 'correct' responses or the respondents' results are just due to poor or incorrect phrasing/interpretation of questions.

    I have two master's degrees, have spent years teaching undergraduate engineering courses, am working on a dual-major PhD in engineering...and I...apparently...cannot read a plot.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Check the color of the dots, my friend. Red is the true value, blue is the survey participants’ estimate.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I find myself wondering how these figures have changed over time. Did we actually get worse, or have we always been this fucking ignorant?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I unfortunately have to downvote this as this is far too interesting to be mildly interesting.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    3% Atheists is such a bullshit number. There is a famous Pew poll, where they asked people two questions side by side, "are you an atheist" and "do you believe in any god", and 4% answered no to the first one and something like 20% answered no to the second one.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think "atheist" carries the connotations of being irreligeous, not just not believing in any gods. So some people may not believe in any gods, but maybe they do have some kind of spirituality, or believe in ghosts or something. Buddhism as a religion doesn't mandate God-belief, though some schools do interact with devas. I'm unsure if any other religions don't require gods to work, but even if they exist, I imagine they and Buddhists, despite not believing in any gods, will be very hesitant to describe themselves as "atheist."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    i'd say you can be atheist and believe in ghosts/spirits, that's pretty different from divine beings

    the core thing about divinity is power, power to do things or power to have done things in the past or future. spirits and ghosts generally have power comparable to living people, so the lack of obvious evidence for their existence isn't anywhere near as big of an issue as with deities capable of altering the fabric of reality.

    it's not that incongrous that we'd fail to notice things that can barely interact with us, but an explicitly omnipotent and omniscient god? they can damn well write "hey ho here i am!" in the clouds.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don't disagree; that was never my point. My point is the term "atheist" carries a lot of baggage, that might make people not want to associate with it for many reasons that are unrelated to what the word actually means. Especially in the West where the term is severely maligned.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    According to the same research, 1% of US adults are Buddhist, and they fall in a separate cathegory.
    All the polls are weird, and very much depending on how you ask the question and how you slice the data.
    But you're right, the word atheist carries some baggage in a christian nationalist country, but that was kind of almost my point. So many people are afraid of the word atheist, but are "not religious, don't believe in any gods, don't follow any practices", which is, actual textbook definition of the word.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sounds about right, there's a difference between atheism and agnosticism, which is what the 2nd question is asking.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This isn't the difference. Agnosticism postulates that knowing if any god exist is categorically unanswerable. The matter of your personal believe is a parallel question entirely. "We cannot be sure, but I personally don't believe any gods" makes an atheist, but so does "There is absolutely no evidence for any gods so I don't believe any". "We cannot be sure, but I personally believe in Sobek, may his sperm be neverending" makes a theist.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I think the bigger difference is "I don't believe but I also don't think others are wrong" is a kind of mentality often. I think that and people are used to seeing self-proclaimed atheists being assholes loudly and go "well I'm not that". Atheism got fucked over by people who just want to be dicks to religious folks.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Here's how I'm reading the questions:

    "are you an atheist". 4%

    4% of respondents have a firm belief that gods do not exist. (atheist)

    "do you believe in any god" 20%

    20% of respondents do not believe in a god, but do not necessarily think they don't exist either. They don't have enough knowledge to form a belief, i.e. they don't know. (agnostic)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Agnosticism is the separate category in that questioneer. Pew is weird about it, they just list every major religion and sect, then "other" then "agnostic", "atheist", and "nothing", and you need to chose one, which might be the source of confusion, and I can't see any good explanation on why do they do it like that. LIke I said, bullshit number. "Don't believe in any gods, don't follow any religion, not an agnostic" is an atheist, by definition. Separating it into "atheist" and "atheist but different word" can only serve one purpose, to dilute the numbers so christians don't feel threatened by all the evil heathens.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    The 42% are democrats and 47% are republicans is the true surprise. That is a huge difference even though it might not seem like it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Well, I have been a registered Republican as long as I have been voting.

    And have been voting straight Democrat for over a decade now.

    I wonder if there are more like me?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Curious, why do you remain registered as a Republican?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My state has open primaries and I vote in the Republican primary to fuck their shit up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If your state has open primaries, you don't need to register Republican to vote in their primary though?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    No. That's the point of an open primary. You can vote in either party's primarily.

    I'm in a pretty red district. My primary vote is more powerful when voting Republican.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Why register Republican if you don't need to register for a party to vote in a primary? Open primary means you don't need to be registered with the party to vote in their primary. So why register Republican?

    Edit: Oh ok, I see that was someone else who made the initial comment. I never check usernames...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    At this point I don't know.

    Initially I thought I could "undermine" from within. I'm a 50 year old, white, vet, so I tick a lot of conservative boxes, and I imagined I could plant seeds of doubt with people that might assume to include me in certain groups.

    But that never really happened, and both parties can hang for all I care. (At least 90% of the ones over 65.)

    So now I just vote straight Dem for harm reduction and tell young folks they need to be active, vote, and take the roles away from us older folks cuz we can't be trusted to do what is obviously and objectively the right thing to do.

    What is funny is I have been reading and listening to a lot of early US history and this has literally been the same story over and over again.

    Is there a political system that works?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I wonder how much that has to do with state rules on voting in primaries. Like, when I lived in MA I was registered independent because that would let me vote in any primary (but only one). My current state, I have to be affiliated with a specific party to vote.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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