"I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating" - I think we're well past insinuating. Straight out declaring would be more accurate now. The man has no credibility left. No one trusts him with the truth, their money or their daughters. If I was a betting man I'd say his foreign handlers are already lining up the next candidate for the world stage. You can also tell, by the way, that none of the big media channels are buying it either. All you need to do is compare their coverage now with at the coverage of the assassination attempts of previous presidents. When Reagan got shot the whole world stopped to look. It was literally everywhere. This, so called, "attempt" was a small front page story that will be gone in a couple of days. The mid terms are coming. I expect more and more panicked moves between now and November.
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Because we’ve been trained by the republicans to prepare for a distraction when the current news is bad.
All of the republican news is really bad right now. They’ve flip-flopped on wars with various countries and the Epstein files a few times already. Even thrown out some UFO stuff. Nothing is working though because gas prices are high and there’s no easy and clean way out of the quagmire the GOP is currently in.
It saddens me so much to know that the president can rape children, and get away with it. On top of that, the only reason people aren't distracted from it is the fact that gas prices are still high. If gas were cheap, there is a good chance 48% of Americans would be distracted.
Trump's whole term in office has been difficult to follow. What's going on now? What's the truth and what isn't? Politicians lie, but trump is the best at misinformation.
The thing is that we don't know, but because of the environment his administration has created, you have to doubt everything he says and be skeptical of every event they're involved in.
The conspiratorial culture of the far right is infecting every aspect of his administration. At this point it doesn't really matter what's true and what's fabricated, so long as it can be spun into a media event to feed his ego.
I need to take a break from the Internet.
I don't know all the details, but something that struck me as odd was the fact that this was the first WHC dinner that Trump was going to, famously being too cowardly to go to the others for fear of being mocked. Why go to this one, when his approval rating is in the toilet?
This is the second WHC dinner during his second term. Last year they purposefully didn't invite any entertainer and made no jokes about the administration to appease Trump. They showed they are ready to bow down and sacrifice freedom of speech so Trump showed up this year to express his approval.
You're thinking about it backwards. It's the first one the assassin tried to rush into because Trump was going to be there.
he apparently hasnt gone to one once since 2011, when OBAMA roasted him.
I found it odd that immediately after, "I NEED A BALLROOM!"
Because there wasn't going to be a roast. Mentalist and magician Oz Pearlman was going to host, instead.
And because, by staging a shooter, he is going to get public funding for his ballsack I mean ballroom.
Probs coz of the weird footage by some people. Guests sitting there still eating, others grabbing bottles, people smiling and chatting afterwards. People also are assuming that each attempt on his life was so bad that it felt staged (the way his ear looked after the first one, how incompetent the shooters were etc, theres lots of things flying around in comments). And then there's the lack of sympathy for Trump so most people would want any reason to keep hating him.
So, the guests were in on it being staged, and that's why they didn't react?
That seems to be what most people are claiming
It's just like all the pilots and scientists being in on the flat earth.
Yeah its a weird time. I hate conspiracies, but with everything that has been unfolding over the last few years, distrust is at an all time high and i totally get it
Whether this was staged or not is up for debate, but calling this guy a shooter is misinformation. Show me where this guy fired any shots. The officer that was shot in his bullet proof vest was hit by friendly fire, all shots fired were by law enforcement. If I'm wrong direct me to where there's creditable evidence that says otherwise.
Trump was seen as having an electoral boost after the Pennsylvania shooting.
Trump is in a deep hole with the electorate over the Epstein files, the economy, the Iran war, and support of the genocidal Israeli regime
Trump has used very blatant & underhanded tactics in the past, from the 2020 electoral certification Coup attempt, and the recent doordash PR stunt.
There will always be some amount of people who will not accept things at face value, but with Trump, experience has shown that waiting for evidence before believing what the administration is saying is a wise move.
TL;DR: a lot of sketchy crap happens in this administration and people think anything that might turn out well for Trump's voter polls is manufactured
The door dash thing was so tone deaf. Like, oh I hear your husband has cancer. Well, the good thing is, there is a job opening for you to help pay for it! You can doordash yourself to the bed next to him! He
the PR stunts, yes the assasinations are this to. its to assure thier magat supporters that he still is in control of things, they are too dumb to realize hes always staging things.
It's a lack of trust in institutions on full display. Rather it was faked or not doesn't matter, no one would put it past the antics of this administration and no one trusts the narrative or the investigators. It doesn't matter who comes out or what they say. Once the trust is broken we're cooked and every event will turn into conspiracy time.
Mainly because he's using it as an excuse to imply he needs his stupid ballroom because of national security.
- It came on the heels of a court case that said Trump could only build his ballroom if there was a legitimate security concern (and all the right wing media had posts ready for ballroom support)
- He (Trump) had never attended before now
- The response from the SS seemed... lacklustre at best.
- Karoline Leavitt said that everyone should watch because there would be shots fired.
- He (the shooter) was entirely ineffectual.
- Right wing women are so botox'ed that no one could see them being upset; right wing men were standing behind their wives.
Personally... fake is not exactly the answer, but it's oh so convenient, and given that people were sending in tips about him before this, I suspect that if they hadn't wanted this to happen, they'd have done security normally and he'd have been removed from the premises before he shot. But maybe I'm just underestimating how bad the US government's security has become since they fired so many people.
Because the fact of the matter is, his PA 'attempt' stinks to high heaven. USSS broke numerous protocols with that incident, and you literally see people coordinating and 'directing' his fight fight fight shot.
Once is happenstance,. twice is a coincidence, and three is a pattern.
He's had three of these incidents if you include the bushes in Mar A Lago dude. And what happened here? Did we have congressional reports detailing these events, the places they took place, suspect motivations, and the data broken down for everyone to see what went wrong?
No. We didn't have anything of the sort.
We will not for this one either. Because this likely is more theatrics from a historically unpopular administration.
Yeah as a non American it's kinda like okay is this fake or are you guys actually just not that great at shooting your targets 😅 c'mon, if these are real you gotta start questioning your nations eyesight or something 😂
I trust Trump to do whatever makes him have more wealth and power and its easy to see how he would use this to claw at both.
There are a few videos out there that break down the... let's say questionable or highly suspicious series of coincidences that trail behind the shooting, as well as the kneejerk reaction from the right in response that raises some eyebrows, so I would say just go watch those. People are really latching onto flimsy evidence for this one. I haven't seen anything really convincing yet that would suggest that the government orchestrated a false flag attack, and I feel like this administration is too incompetent to be able to handle a covert operation of that nature without fumbling it badly.
I like to lean on the side of Occam's Razor and say that it's pretty likely that in a country with hundreds of millions of people and hundreds of millions of guns and a very publicly hated president, it's not that surprising that a few of those people have tried to kill him and got close enough to try. As far as security goes, yes it was a much lower security detail but the shooter was also apprehended at basically the first possible security checkpoint and Trump and the dinner guests were never in any danger. The security worked exactly as it should have.
“feel like this administration is too incompetent to be able to handle a covert operation of that nature without fumbling it badly”
I respect your opinion & respectfully disagree. My views on top tier hierarchic secrecy changed after learning about the Lewis Powell memo while listening to The Lever’s Master Plan podcast & simultaneously reading Gareth Gore’s Opus.
Yes, the people in front of the cameras are bumbling, sometimes alcoholic, idjits, however it’s the very wealthy people we don’t see or know of that really scare me.
My views on top tier hierarchic secrecy changed after learning about the Lewis Powell memo while listening to The Lever’s Master Plan podcast & simultaneously reading Gareth Gore’s Opus.
Is this supposed to mean anything?
Once there was a land where regular people lived.
• Regular people went to school. • Regular people went to work. • Regular people listened to news. • Regular people followed rules. • Regular people did not get to choose most of the rules.
In the same land, there were Say-What-Happens people.
Say-What-Happens people were people who said what happens and regular people had to follow what the Say-What-Happens people said.
• Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose money rules. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose school rules. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose court rules. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose news stories. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose government rules.
For a long time, the thought was:
• Some Say-What-Happens people were unfair. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped themselves. • Some Say-What-Happens people did not help regular people.
Then one day, a real paper note appeared in the tale.
The paper note was written by Lewis Powell.
Lewis Powell was a real Say-What-Happens person.
Some Say-What-Happens people listened to Lewis Powell.
• The paper note was not a note for regular people. • The paper note was for business Say-What-Happens people.
Business Say-What-Happens people were company people who helped say what happened in company life.
• The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to help other business Say-What-Happens people. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to work together. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use schools. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use courts. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use news. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use government. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to keep getting to say what happens.
Learning about the Lewis Powell paper note changed the thought.
The thought had been:
Some Say-What-Happens people are unfair.
Now the thought became:
Some Say-What-Happens people tell other Say-What-Happens people how to stay in charge.
Stay in charge means keep getting to say what happens.
Then came a voice story called Master Plan.
Master Plan was a story heard with ears.
• The Master Plan voice story talked about money. • The Master Plan voice story talked about rules. • The Master Plan voice story talked about government. • The Master Plan voice story said some Say-What-Happens people helped other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge.
Learning about the Master Plan voice story changed the thought again.
Now the thought became:
• Some Say-What-Happens people were not acting alone. • Some Say-What-Happens people help other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge.
Then a book came into the tale.
The book was called Opus.
Gareth Gore wrote the Opus book.
The Opus book talked about Opus Dei.
Opus Dei is a real church group.
• The Opus book said some Opus Dei people used money. • The Opus book said some Opus Dei people had Say-What-Happens friends. • The Opus book said some Opus Dei people used hidden helping.
Hidden means not shown.
Hidden helping means helping happens, but regular people do not see the helping.
Learning about the Opus book changed the thought again.
The thought was no longer only:
Some Say-What-Happens people are unfair.
The thought became:
• Some Say-What-Happens people helped other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge. •Some Say-What-Happens people hid the helping. •Some Say-What-Happens people kept doing the helping for a long, long time.
That was the change.
The world had looked like unfair choices.
Then the world looked like some Say-What-Happens people were helping other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge.
• The Lewis Powell paper note showed one part. • The Master Plan voice story showed another part. • The Opus book showed another part.
The three parts made one new thought in three parts:
• Some Say-What-Happens people stayed in charge by helping each other. • Some Say-What-Happens people hid the helping. • Even though regular people may not see the helping, Say-What-Happens people helping other Say-What-Happens people can still change regular people’s lives.
That is why the thought changed.
If you can't communicate normally, providing specific information rather than parables and circumlocution, I don't see why anyone should take you seriously.
Garoulness isn't necessarily circumlocution.
Does this help?
• Lewis Powell wrote that business people should help business people keep power. • Master Plan showed business people using money to help people keep power in government. • Opus showed church people using money, secrets, and powerful friends to help people keep power.
Together they show:
• Powerful people can help powerful people keep power. • Regular people usually do not see them helping each other.
Because regular people are usually not aware that powerful people secretly help each other, the powerful people are able to continue to make decisions that affect the regular people in ways that help the powerful people stay powerful.
gassed the theater. With hundreds of innocent members of the public inside
That's terrible! And just double-checking with a bit of searching, yeah, this was a real incident. Whether it was "staged" is unclear (not enough evidence to support or deny it due to the lack of an investigation). But the Russian authorities did indeed release a noxious gas into the theatre without any sort of evacuation or coordination with health services, yet the official report by the Kremlin hails it as a success even though over a hundred people died?! I feel like, staged or not, that is something that should be criticised.
For a bit of context, Russia was invading Chechnya, which declared independence after the dissolution of the USSR, and a Chechen militant group took over a theatre and held everyone in it hostage (how they did that, I'm not sure. Some of the sources blame it on negligence of Russian intelligence, or suggest that authorities in the area were bribed). There was a siege of the theatre, and by the second day, people started to get shot. Afterwords, the Russian special forces gassed the theatre before entering it in an assault, and most of the hostages, as well as the Chechen militants, were killed. Additionally, authorities in Russia did not say what the gas was, meaning the people administering first aid had to guess, causing more death and permanent injuries than was necessary.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Moscow-theater-hostage-crisis (Britannica)
https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article/189/9-10/228/7454807 (journal article)
he had staged several false flags since the ukraine war began, with like no followup or investigation by russia at all.
There's actually no proof the Moscow theatre hostage crisis was staged either. You're supporting a conspiracy theory by pointing to an another conspiracy that you just made up. Y'all have completely given up on critical thinking.
Isn’t it weird that it leaked that this correspondents dinner was going to be all about revenge and then this happens?
Honestly, I could see someone showing up and trying to assassinate Trump for being a pedophile, but I could also see this admin faking something like this. Though, I suspect this was faked we’ll see the leaked signal chats sometime soon.
And I also assume that even though the shooter was "in on it", he'll still go to prison for the rest of his life. No way trump bails him out.....literally or figuratively.
Isn’t it weird that it leaked that this correspondents dinner was going to be all about revenge and then this happens?
are you talking about this? you do understand these remarks about shots fired are about his speech, not literal bullets, right?
whole trump's presidency is a revenge for being humiliated by obama at correspondents dinner. it created his narcissistic political ptsd, and he will never get over it, so no, it is not weird at all that his first attendance of correspondent's dinner at the office would be about that. it would be weird for normal mentally balanced adult person, but it is absolutely in character for trump.
No, I don’t think using a common figure of speech means it was staged. That’s silly.
I’m sure this news has wholly buried it but last week there was a report leaked that said this correspondents dinner was going to be all about getting revenge on the people who wronged Trump
The specific language used was weird, but I can’t say one way or the other yet.
"Donald Trump will launch a 'revenge' attack on the White House media when he confronts them in person at a Washington dinner on Saturday night," an outletrevealed on Wednesday, April 22.
"He is expected to target publications that he has accused of writing negatively about his administration and his war with Iran, in particular, according to sources," the Daily Beast reported.
If the shooting was faked, I have no opinion whether or not it is, those statements would be something called a "double entendre".
Whether or not it was faked, she knew it would happen, could think of the double, or just overheard someone else making the joke... All up for debate.
happened 2 other times, with the same MO as the current one. once maybe it was believable but 3 times already, the Security serious inept or its staged.
I think it's just because the PA event was so obviously faked, his handlers have proven they are willing to use a fake attempt to gain favor and he seems to be very unfavorable right now.
I think it’s just because the PA event was so obviously faked
What about it was so obviously faked tho?
Umm... Everything? How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting? How many are you aware of where the SS ushers in photographers to take the heroic photos? How many are there where a crane lowers the flag down behind him for the aforementioned heroic photos, again while the shooter is still active?
It's the worst botch of a false flag event I'm aware of.
The bullet that grazed Trump's ear has been analyzed to death as too close to be fatal from the gunman's distance to reliably stage. There are numerous more plausible explanations than the one the video puts forward.
- It is obvious that there might be good-looking photos if you take enough of them at any historical event. We already know that GOP campaigners cunningly used the assassination to their advantage for propaganda; the staffer is simply realizing that photos off the vent should be taken.
- At the end it looks more like he's telling the photographers to keep their distance and pulling them away from Trump. There is absolutely no way he can see the camera viewfinder from such a distance, which is needed to decide on how to adjust the framing as the video purports he's doing.
- The flag is simply being seen from a different angle. Throughout the video, the cameraman is approaching the gates, and then he tilts the camera upwards and then downwards. The former brings the flag into view and the latter is why the flag also looks like it's being raised right after 0:36. Cross-reference the footage with https://www.youtube.com/live/Rr63RgGN-Yo?si=pUcNPrir4KgrMNLu&t=24263 (in both footage you see an agent go to the outermost. in the long livestream this is immediately followed by an agent waving Trump's red cap.), a wide view, and the flag seems static.
How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting?
He wasn't president elect at that time. He would have been "former president, and likely (but as of the day of shooting unconfirmed) 2024 republican presidental nominee".
The attack happened in the summer of 2024. Election in November 2024.
This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks. Hadn’t heard about any of this stuff before. I don’t know enough to make a judgment yet but I wanted to hear where people were coming from
Edit: wait this video is from a previous assassination attempt, I’m talking about the most recent one at the WH correspondence dinner
Their point is that the dinner attempt is just another poorly executed staged attempt for publicity and sympathy from a wannabe dictator that's losing support extremely quickly.
He started a war with Iran to distract from the Epstein files. That is so clearly obvious that even MAGA informed have been turning against him.
This reeks of a blatant attempt to artificially increase support like many two bit dictators have done on the past. It worked last time.
with 3 attempts so far, its more than a coincidence, of course right wing MSM, and fox arnt going to label like this way.
This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks.
so, you were looking for conspiracy bs...?
My question was why people believe this. He told me why he believes it. So that was the information I was looking for. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I think the conspiracy stuff is convincing
There is a LOT about the PA incident that is comically sketchy and convenient and suspicious.
Just another episode of trump whatever show. Who cares. I stopped watching that series months ago. It just got too stupid
The response was too canned and uniform. There's no fact finding, no actual concern for what happened here its all just rhetoric aimed at curtailng free speech. Add in the FBI director weighing in way too early and it all points to a setup.
There's a real possibility the guy that did the shooting is the target of an FBI entrapment scheme or something similar.
I don’t think it was fake.
I think they knew it (or something dramatic) was going to happen with plenty of warning and deliberately allowed it to play out for dramatic effect. That was unenthusiastic and unhurried securing of the leadership.
It's my belief that 9/11 was like that too. I don't think the US government orchestrated it, but I think they sat back and let it happen.
Anyone who thinks Cheney and friends were above letting a few thousand people die to garner support for another war in the middle east is pretty naive.
I suspect the guy in question was identified as somebody who might try something stupid, not competent enough to pull it off, and possibly encouraged to try by an undercover agent.
The quote I saw elsewhere that summed it up best for me is, "even if it's real, it's still fake".
The whole thing was just a bit too rubbish, like, if you were going to try shooting the President, the events as report seem like such an obviously useless way to go about it that there's got to be something else going on.
My favourite conspiracy theory is that it's their way of getting an already-sympathetic White House press corps to feel like they're part of the whole thing, that attacks on the President are also attacks on them personally - trying to create a feeling that they and Trump are all trauma survivors who are in it together.
the events as report seem like such an obviously useless way to go about it
How come?
I don’t know how to respond to that beyond posting what’s already been said.
a gunman opened fire near a security checkpoint at the event in Washington DC.
He was tackled by agents just short of a staircase which leads down to a ballroom where the annual White House correspondents' dinner attended by hundreds of journalists and public figures was getting under way.
Officials said he possessed multiple weapons and appears to have acted alone.
How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President? Did he think he was Neo or something?
How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President?
I don't find it that had to believe that someone might attempt that. There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound
There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound
See I think your reasoning there proves my point quite well. If the first explanation you go to is that the person is not mentally sound, then almost by definition these are actions that don't make sense.
My reason is that he read from a prepared statement shortly after the incident and that he used this as his reason to promote the unwanted ballroom that he seems so desperately to want. I could be wrong but, based on his moral character, I think it's a big fake.
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