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[–] 33 points 6 months ago (10 children)

No, they would turn into a normal bird. The extra mass is shunted into z-space where afterwards it can be called back to return the shifter to their previous form. Just don't stay a bird for more than two hours.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The real issue is remembering you're not a bird once you have a bird brain

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Did he ever manage to turn back in later books? It really stuck with me.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago*

    That is a weird way of saying "Humans are bigger than birds," even then though, I think on average the ostrich will win.

    Edit: I missed the flying part, but still.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    You ever seen an ostrich?

    Bro they are bigger than humans.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Has either of you seen a flying ostrich or emu?

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago*
    [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    By quite a lot too. The kori bustard is the heaviest known flying animal at around 18kg or 40lbs.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    not as large as big bird

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    And if my mom had wheels she’d be a bicycle.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    imagine a human-sized flying bird, that would be terrifying

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, it would just be an ostrich, with the ability to fly.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    and the wingspan the size of a car to lift that weight

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    When I was a kid I had a book called The Science of the X-Men (which that site lists for $11 but eBay lists for anywhere from $100-1500) that attempted to use real world physics to explain how the powers of the X-Men might work.

    Mostly the explanations came down to "I dunno, maybe black holes?" For example, it speculated that Jean Grey might have a microscopic black hole in her brain and had subconsciously learned to use it to open the other end in other brains and somehow vibrate the brain matter in a way to communicate telepathically.

    Anyway, I don't recall whether it covered any shapeshifters, but if so, it probably handled it the same way Animorphs did (as others have mentioned in this thread), but with black holes instead of z-space.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    if a fan was stuck in my ass I'd be a windmill.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    you would need to turn into something like a Pterosaur given the hollow bones and everything. Those could be anywhere half the mass of a person to like twice the mass or something.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Biggest by mass, but a bird with the mass of a human cant fly (biomechanically impossible), so there needs to be magic fuckery involved.

    Meaning that a shapeshifter that turns in a flying bird with the same mass as a human would likely not be as large as you think. Humans are very dense compared to birds. Assuming we keep that density, we could be smaller than some of the larger eagles or carrion birds.

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  • [+] [S] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The largest flying animal to ever live, as far as we know, was the Quetzalcoatlus, which is estimated to have a mass up to over 400 pounds. Thats more mass than 99% of all humans, flatly disproving your claim.

    If you assume that we can change density then its possible sure.

    Just because theres no living bird with that mass doesn’t in any way mean its biologically impossible.

    If you just reshaped a person into a bird shape, its biomechanically impossible for them to fly.

    Why would you assume it would have the same density as a human?

    Because otherwise you arent turning a person into a bird, you are just making a bird (or other flying mammal) with the same approximate mass as a human.

    This is an arbitrary restriction you’re adding to the scenario.

    Seems implied to me

    Conservation of mass doesn’t require conservation of volume.

    So the original post would just be "a flying bird with the same mass as a human would be a huge bird"

    Which...sure

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    [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Preserving a mass while maintaining the ability to fly would require you to significantly increase in size, which comes with all sorts of drawbacks.

    Humans can't fly precisely because we're too dense. Birds and other flying creatures have plenty of adaptations meant to reduce mass (or, rather, density) by all means possible.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Just because mass is conserved doesn't mean size/shape is conserved. If you're always human-sized, you're a pretty shitty shapeshifter. No offense.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Are you also preserving the ratios of materials that the body is made of? We'd have very heavy bones for a bird (or a lot of bones at bird density) and probably not enough muscle to lift 2m long wings. Also all the keratin in our hair and nails wouldn't make many feathers. We'd be a mostly plucked bird

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    So if they turned into an elephant they'd be the cutest widdle elephant ever??

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