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[–] 65 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

Weird to think Japan has a lower racial diversity than North Korea

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    If I had to stab at it, maybe they consider north/south related families separately? There can’t possibly be Chinese living there outside of government contracting.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Why do you think it was some pure ethnostate in the first place, and why wouldn't Chinese people count?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Your comment only makes sense if you have no idea what the NK regime is. Since the 50s, all the other ethnicities would’ve left.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Yeah this seems a bit rage bitey or just illogical.

    Are americans one race or are say native americans spliced out? Is it culture or actual population movement?

    Also we all are un the human race to start with.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Racial or ethnic diversity?

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (12 children)

    A lot of these actually make a lot of sense. All of these countries make it incredibly hard to integrate into society as a foreigner either because of domestic policy or straight up the language barrier.

    In the case of Tunisia, it’s the most liberal Arab country, which is remarkably close to France because of colonialism. Many Arabs wouldn’t want to move to such a place. I don’t think Tunisian Arabic would be the barrier there.

    Polish is fucking difficult to pronounce with its 4 and 5 consonant clusters (if I had to guess, most languages max out at 3), and it’s not found anywhere else in the world because Poland didn’t colonize anywhere. They were lucky to get their own country if you look into their history.

    Armenia is incredibly socially, religiously, and linguistically dissimilar to everywhere around it. Good luck wanting to move there; 2/3’s of ethnic Armenians live outside the country.

    Egypt is the most surprising, because it was colonized and bothered by both the British and French, but it doesn’t have that diversity anymore?

    Jordan is a theocratic strong monarchy. Makes sense that non-Jordanese wouldn’t move there.

    Bangladeshi people were packed into the country with the partition of India. It’s super ethnically dissimilar to Burma and India. The partition really amplified that.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Perhaps you’re expecting all colonies to be plantations? The British plantations such as North America, Australia and NZ are still as you’d expect. But most of the empire was run for profit rather than plantation. These colonies were administered by British (later a mix of British and indigenous) civil servants and garrisons but there was no intention to build a lasting presence. The British Empire even told itself it would hand back the non-plantations after they had been “set right” for the benefit of the natives.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    The point I’m getting at with colonial powers was that English/French was forced onto the locals in one way or the other. Also, British/French citizens moved to the colonies and maintained a permanent presence there, which had lasting impact all over the world.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They didn’t tend to move permanently unless it was a plantation, they were there for a job and moved back after.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    They weren’t constantly rotating those positions though? I’m not saying the colonies became fully integrated like how France’s modern colonial empire.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Your reasoning about Poland would also fit Germany, yet it's a very diverse country in the cities now... Also has language with very long words with a lot of consonants ("Angstschweiß" "Weihnachtsschmuck" ...) and they didn't really get successful colonies going (Namibia perhaps the most). They also carry quite the "reputation". I think for most European countries current diversity has more to do with inviting Gastarbeiter (Italian, Turkish, Moroccan...) and/or Soviet style topdown relocation programs of millions of people across the country (Siberia ...), and somehow Poland had few of both those scenarios? Anyhow I don't think difficulty of pronouncing polish language is the cause of low diversity.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    what 4 or 5 consonant clusters?

    I know Czech language has them, but I'm aside from diphtongues I'm not sure polish reaches 3 consonants in a row

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t speak Polish, but I learned about the language in linguistics at some point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_phonology

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    I wonder if there's an inverse correlation between racial diversity and racism (whether casual or systemic). Of course it's not easy to quantify the latter...

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not sure about the actual prevalence of racism, but one thing I can tell you is that living in a less diverse place makes it real easy for people to be blissfully unaware of their own racism, whereas actually interacting with people of other races forces them to confront it about themselves.

    I've seen plenty of people here on Lemmy from lily-white states like Minnesota or Montana dunking on the South in the most bigoted way while simultaneously being holier-than-thou about it.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    I bet there's plenty research on it. I have a lot of thoughts from Polish perspective, but I don't actually know anything about it.

    I.E. I suspect there's little systemic racism in Poland because there's no history that would bring it (no colonialism history in modern era and post-WW2 erased any laws from 30s.

    Causal, very much - less these days in media, but there's still racist idioms and jokes. I'd say it's directly proportional to familiarity, but not exactly malicious.

    Then there's obviously neonazis and "intellectual racists" that have it all figured out.

    That's my casual take about this very not casual topic.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Also only anecdotal, but when the foreign uni students were evacuated from Ukraine, Poland allowed them all except for the students from Africa.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    It's still bad, but I bet it was thoughtless "Ukrainian students" instead of "students in Ukraine" - that is nationality criteria, not place of study.

    We have a bunch of various Asian, Indian and African students - again, also anegdotal.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I suspect there's little systemic racism in Poland

    I would suspect there's a lot of systemic racism, but more focused on "holding the line" of immigration rather than attacking the existing minority groups.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Probably true. But then there's a lot of immigration happening, especially to Warsaw from places other than Ukraine. I don't know how it statistically compares to other countries around us.

    I also just realized there's no definition of ethnic diversity on this picture, and where exactly the data is from, so it could be pretty skewed.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    It seems like (at least according to wikipedia) true immigration to Poland is tiny (~10,000 per year ). Poland allows a huge amount of temporary workers, though. Germany and Czechia, for example, have roughly 10x the amount of immigration per 1000 people.

    I also just realized there's no definition of ethnic diversity on this picture

    Definitely important. It's all a social construct anyway. Its like any kind of taxonomy where you have lumping and splitting of groups. A country could choose to group a bunch of related groups for nationalistic purposes, or they could chose to create in-groups and outgroups.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    With that said, Poland is one of the larger countries in the EU with next to 0 Islamic terrorist attacks.

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  • I'd say not. This number for Japan includes groups that have been forcefully assimilated like the Ainu and Ryukuans. And then you see how more racially diverse places like the US are. So both homogeneous and diverse populations and nations can be pretty racist, both systemically and individually.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Japan North Korea Bangladesh Armenia Egypt Jordan Tunisia Comoros (but it's not on the map, I just know the flag) Poland South Korea

    These are my guesses. This is a game, I'm only 85% sure

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Seeing so many Asian countries in the list, my guess would be that white/red flag is probably Indonesia. Can't believe it is not.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Indonesian is red at the top while Polish is red at the bottom, so the flag is Polish for sure!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It is indeed Poland flag. I just always found it hard to remember. Also, I am surprised. I would guess Indonesians are more closed in for racial diversity compared to Poland. Wonder how much diversity does Indonesia actually have.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Loads. Indonesia comprises thousands of islands spread out over 5000km, which will have given rise to very different cultures + limited genetic exchange. Indonesia also only became unified for the first time as a Dutch colony in the 20th century, so whatever cultural and genetic blending is going on now, it only started happening relatively recent.

    Poland in comparison is much smaller, the only natural barriers are rivers, they've been a nation for a millennium, and they had population expulsions/exchanges after ww2.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Ya got any names with those flags?

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    If you want to reach people, you need to name the countries. You can't just expect people to know 200 flags of the world.

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  • [–] 48 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Especially when one of them is Poland, which is incredibly easy to confuse with a couple of other flags. In order from the lowest percentage to the highest:

    • 1st row: Japan, North Korea, Bangladesh, Tunisia, Egypt

    • 2nd row: Jordan, Armenia, Comoros, Poland, South Korea

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, it's got a map, too...

    I can ID Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Egypt, Tunisia, and Poland on there without even going to check if I'm right. (I also correctly guessed Bangladesh and Jordan but had to check to be sure, and incorrectly guessed Georgia instead of Armenia.)

    Can't tell what the 10^th^ country is, though, as I don't see any others marked in red.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    That's flat. Check mate globers! /s.

    Sorry I watch way too many funny flat earth videos on YouTube. The stuff they come up to explain the world is.....well I'm not sure I could come up with it while on acid. It's pretty nuts.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I wonder how they count this, how exactly do you define different ethnic groups

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    I wonder where the data comes from, considering in China there's supposedly 91% Han Chinese and that would be less diversity that South Korea

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    What am I, a vexillologist?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    westerners love moving to asia, because they know people are more ignorant there of the drama back home.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Japan must be stoked they made it under 10% again

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  • [+] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)