An American using the inferior Fahrenheit system and a European using the superior Celsius system which is way easier

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[–] 146 points 6 months ago (21 children)

Yeah, 100°C is pretty warm

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  • [–] 71 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    0°C = outside the sauna

    100°C = inside the sauna

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    100 degrees is uncomfortably hot for a sauna. Somewhere around 80 is good.

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Being surrounded by hot air does a lot less than getting dumped into hot water, so the egg shouldn't get hard unless it sat there for a really long time.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    yup, i take baths in 100C regularly bc its warm :3

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Well if sauna is considered a bath then yes

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    The sauna you're in is 100°C? 212°F? I think you might be dead bro.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Sauna temperature is usually around 80-100°C, depending on your preference.

    World Sauna Championship starting temperature was 110°C

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If you told me this was a satirical Wikipedia article I would have believed you

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  • [–] 63 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Calling the boiling point of water simply "warm" is a bit sus.

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  • [–] 50 points 6 months ago (30 children)

    As a European living in the US now for many years the temperature scale is the least of my annoyances. It's easy enough to memorize be ranges for what to wear. Fahrenheit is more granular, which is nice sometimes but really doesn't matter.

    No, let's convert all the ridiculous weight/volume measures first. Having two kinds of ounces makes no sense. Measuring solids by volume (mostly) doesn't make sense. Having different units for different magnitudes doesn't make sense.

    Fortunately things are often labeled in both metric and customary units so I can convert way easier.

    Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to have my 12 fluid ounces of coffee and a 1/3 cup of oatmeal.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

    I very much prefer to cook/bake/prep in metric grams.

    2c white flour, sifted.
    1c brown sugar, packed.
    1c room temperature water.
    2tsp active dry yeast.
    2tbsp vegetable oil.
    1/2tsp baking powder.
    2 egg yolks.
    5 egg whites.
    Pinch of cinnamon.

    Fuck you. Tell me how many grams that is. I don't need five different tools to measure out my ingredients. I need a wet bowl, a dry bowl, and a scale.

    Also this isn't a real recipe I just started naming shit at random.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I've had to translate recipes from Norwegian to American and this struggle is real. Never thought I'd need to look up material density tables for cooking.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    “To American” … what?

    We have kitchen scales, we know how to weigh ingredients.

    Old recipes in English often use volume measurements, across the pond too.

    Modern recipes use weights when possible.

    Idk why you’d convert to ye olde style.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I accidentally a word. Converting recipes from Norwegian and metric to American and US customary units.

    I'm aware. I have a scale, too. But most people didn't weigh dry ingredients. So when I translate for someone else I have to use the "normal" measures they're used to. For myself, I speak the language and just use metric, my scale, and a measuring cup with both markings.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Having the more granular temperature seems more practical. I often find myself adjusting my thermostat by just a single degree F. Do heating/ac thermostats in Europe use half degrees as increments? Even then I don’t think it’s as granular. But just integer values would be super annoying.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I have not seen any thermostats in Europe with decimal degrees. But I also don't think a thermostat is necessarily accurate to that level anyway.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    lol you don’t think it’s accurate to a degree Fahrenheit? Why wouldn’t it be?

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Because it's mass produced consumer goods operating on a "below x temperature turn on heat/turn off AC" and "above y temperature turn off heat/turn on AC". Old ones are just bimetallic strips where you change the trigger position with a slider, and modern ones use commodity grade temperature sensors, and neither is guaranteed to be placed particularly far from the vent.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    The sensor is typically on the thermostat. Not at the vents. You would typically place the sensor in a central location in the house. A high quality multi speed motor AC is designed to keep a decently consistent temperature which is a bit more complex than just turn on / turn off. If you’re dropping $15k to $30k on central AC, they aren’t going to cheap out on a poor quality temp sensor.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    It's just not that fine tuned of an instrument. The furnace also runs on intervals so it's just going to naturally fluctuate a bit. Like with anything "it depends", but I doubt it's possible to keep the room within a tenth of a centigrade just with a consumer level thermostat. Maybe in a small room with resistive heating? I'd love to see actual measurements of this.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If they'd just standardized on one unit per measurement and apply si prefixes it's still an imperial unit but easier to work with. Say a quart for volume, and a yard for distance, because they're close to liter and meter. But I guess a kiloyard and a deciquart is taking it too far.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I think at that point it would be easier to just go metric.

    Most Americans actually seem to be five with metric and probably would not mind it too much if we just switched. The objections are basically: 1) it's too expensive to switch now (okay), or 2) it's part of our identity (doubt). I swear to God everything is a culture war with some people.

    More rational people, especially in STEM where it's already the standard, prefer it.

    In general though, I would argue that Americans know metric better then Europeans know US customary, for what that's worth

    It's mostly about what you're used to. Americans buy soda in liters, run 5km and do drugs by the gram. But we buy gasoline and milk in gallons and our recipes call for flour by volume. It's mostly inertia. At the end of the day you have to communicate with people around you so you use units they understand.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    But you don't switch in one go, so costs can be spread out over years. First you would do double labeling, roll that out slowly, and with time the customary units slowly fades out.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Sure, I get that, and we already have dual labeling on a lot of stuff, maybe even most of the stuff. The problem there is that nobody actually reads the other labeling, so they are also not learning.

    They need to go back to what they were doing before: First decide that we're moving over so that mandates can be enforced.

    Second, do what you were saying, and do dual labeling during the transition--but make metric most the prominent.

    Third, educate kids in schools to use it (this already happens to a degree).

    Fourth, launch massive informational campaigns to teach people how and why to use metric.

    Fifth, step down the dual labeling gradually as more people are comfortable with the new units.

    I expect there to be a long tail of non-metric units in use (see UK), but if we can switch more things over that is still an improvement. Heck, I'll even take them just decimalizing and removing some smaller units (like lbs/oz).

    The history of metrication in the US is as frustrating as it is an interesting read. It can certainly be done and many countries have shown it can be done, but it takes commitment and support from the highest levels.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I know it's all based on what's familiar, but I imagine I'd have a hard time converting to Celsius for a weather report. I've lived in tropical climates in the US for over half my life so when people say things like "it's a hot 30 degrees out there!" it just short-circuits my brain.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    different units for different magnitudes

    I'm not sure I get what you mean? Are you saying how we use ounces for tiny weights, pounds for "human"-ish weights, and tons for huge weights?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think they mean ounces, cups, quarts, gallons, with no intuitive sense of conversion between them. I personally use ounces for almost everything (cocktail recipes are in 0.25 ounce increments, big cups are 40 ounces, big ol buckets can be 256 ounces). I might mess with gallons for very large amounts, but anything that can be expressed in cups or pints I'm usually just talking ounces anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Your assumption is correct. I meant using cups, ounces, etc separately or in combination. Especially annoying when trying to figure out portions. Serving size: 8oz, package size: 1lb 4 oz. You have to do math every time.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Measuring solids by volume (mostly) doesn't make sense.

    This could be apocryphal, but I seem to recall hearing that a lot of American recipes got established during times of westward expansion, and that it made more sense for people moving out to the frontier to carry a measuring cup and a set of spoons that it did for them to carry a carefully-calibrated scale.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Yeah that makes sense. And in a pinch (no pun intended), measuring your solids by volume or even just eyeballing it is good enough for a lot of cooking (baking is a different matter).

    But let's not forget that Europe was not always metric, either. They went through the same process. They had the same units (or similar units) as US has now, with a lot of the same quirks. That was the entire point of the metric system: have one consistent set of units. United States was onboard early for metrication, but backed out before it completed it, so here we are.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    It's funny because all of the imperial units are mathematically based on metric anyway.

    I'm an American, so I started with imperial units, but I am making the very slow progression of converting to metric. I already use metric for work, and it's already the scientific standard here and has been since the 70s. It's just turbo annoying to try and get used to a new measuring system that I use reflexively especially when surrounded by imperial units. Makes it too easy to trip up and fall back.

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  • [–] 94 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    100 warm

    Yeah, I suppose that's one way to describe 100°C

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 78 points 6 months ago (21 children)

    C is even more intuitive than the graphic.

    0 = water's frozen 100 = water's boiling

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    I had an American explain “well you just know that 68 is long sleeve warm, 80 is shorts” or something, as if people cannot memorize that 18 is chilly and 21/22 is usual room temperature, 26 is shorts.

    The only thing I dislike like about Celsius is that my thermostat supports both, but doesn’t allow half degrees Celsius, so it provides less granular control in Celsius than if you set it to Fahrenheit.

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I'm in Québec, -10 is chilly, 14 is shorts :)

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    As you approach 0°F it is getting dangerously cold. As you approach 100°F it's getting dangerously hot. Celsius is obviously better scientifically, but fahrenheit is pretty reasonable for everyday use (unlike other imperial measurements).

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Really my point is you can memorize new numbers when you look at the weather report.

    When I go (went ) to the US it was not obvious to me looking at the weather in Fahrenheit what it would feel like.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    0°F is way colder than 100°F is hot.

    There are hardly any population centers that reach the lower temperature while there's a shitton of them that reach the hotter one. That should say enough about how dangerous and inhospitable each is.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    That’s not true. NYC frequently reaches 0°F and is home to 15 million people. All of northern US, and all of Canada frequently reach 0°F. It’s a fact than anything below 0°F is actively dangerous and anything above 100°F is actively dangerous.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Anything below 10°F is actively dangerous. Anything above 110°F is actively dangerous.

    NYC barely ever reaches 0°F according to this site:

    https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/new-york/lowest-temperatures-by-year

    Seriously, NYC is closer to having regular 100°F weather than 0°F and it is in the Northern US!

    In other terms: -18°C is extremely fucking cold, 38°C is just regular hot.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I grew up in Rochester NY, and there are many days with a zero or subzero windchill. Once it gets below 0°F, it is definitely actively dangerous. I’ve waited for a school bus in 7 to 10°F weather without issues.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    And weight also revolves around water. 1L of water is 1KG which is 1000cm^3^ whereas 1cm^3^ is 1g. Super easy to calculate things.

    Edit: correction

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    *at sea level, assuming pure water

    It's intuitive with respect to water. Applying it to anything else is exactly the same as the Fahrenheit scale: you associate various things with numbers.

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  • [–] 52 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    My water does not describe 100°C as "warm"

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The US could have switched to the world-wide standard years ago but under Reagan the switch was abandoned.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago

    No, the original “Make America Great Again” guy? The first actor elected President who presided over an unprecedented health crisis and ignored it because he hoped it would only hurt the “right” people, and plunged America into an economic disaster the likes of which we are still feeling today and may never recover from? That guy?

    God this place actually sucks

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