This is after having tons of solar panels too LMAO

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[–] 74 points 6 months ago

more like "thanks bro, keep sending those $$ my way"

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Lol...I hate my power bill.

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  • [–] [S] 34 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Hmm I think you're crossing into home datacenter territory.

    I've got some rookie numbers to pump up LMAO

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You'd think I'd have a few racks of equipment running.. most of that is heating and cooling. Old drafty farm house with old inefficient heat pumps. Winter was damn cold this year.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    I have a modern house with modern a heat pump, and I agree this winter was pretty brutal, but nothing close to yours. Can I ask what you pay per KWh? I have to imagine you're coming close to spending enough in energy to pay for some serious renovations on the house.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    How many computers do you have?

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I think they forgot to mention the huge tomato farm they have in their basement. Tons of lights and special ventilation setup. Tastes much better than what you can get at the grocery store of course.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Like 3 or 4 1u/2u servers equipped with a couple GPUs, plus a tape library lol

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    It's not obvious before you do the math but a 500 watt homelab is basically a large air conditioner. The AC is just on ⅓ of the time ½ of the year.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Lol I've got like 2-3 ACs then 😂

    I have to split power between 3 different circuits that are near my office in order to keep each one within the 80% rule in the event I'm putting heavy load on them

    ....I really need to get an electrician out to put in a 240 line 😅...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I've been measuring my server rack's power usage, and it usually sits at around 500W with a 1U + 2U server (and GPU). My plan for the 1U has been to colocate it, but it's an extra $25/month for each 100W increment, so I've been trying things like lowering the CPU power limit to save some money. Apparently turning my 200W EPYC CPU down to 150W barely makes a difference in my workloads, but that 50W is enough to save me quite a bit.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Man what are you paying per kwh? I'm averaging ~$0.21 AUD using a supplier who offers a variable market wholesale price.

    I'd thought my rack was a bit of a hog with a z390 9900k and erying es system, but checking my current usage it's vibing at 180kwh~

    At 9:20 pm my rack has set me back $0.80 for the day (excluding misc connection fees and so forth). Most of my daily use would be in heating / cooling with two split systems & the wife WFH.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'm in the PNW and pay about US$0.17/kWh at home, but for the data center rates, they charge based on peak usage because that's how they size cooling and generator backups. Guaranteed redundant power and networking is just a lot more expensive than residential power.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children)

    This thread makes me question my 2,000kWh power bill, I don't have any servers and always shut down my main PC over night. I do use a laptop as a media center that I don't shut down, but I figured it can't be using that much power.

    Maybe the main factor is me being in home office and using my PC about 12-14h a day? 😅

    Edit: Oh, I guess many people are talking monthly usage here. My number is over the last year, so I guess I'm not doing too bad

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    I'm in a 1 bedroom with my fiancé, a home server, and our gaming rigs running for long portions of the day.

    We use about 243kWh a day month.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    you still have halogen lights or worse?

    If your heating system isn't electric I really wonder how you do.

    Otherwise: Hoven, electric kettle/toaster, dishwasher, washing machine, dryer are usually the most consuming devices

    Wait, you're talking monthly or yearly?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    yearly, and I use LED light bulbs in the whole flat

    I do haven an electric stove/oven, kettle, dishwasher and washing machine. Oh, and my warm tap water is also heated by electricity. Haven't really considered those, but that's definitely a good point, water takes tons of energy to heat after all

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    [–] 32 points 6 months ago (23 children)

    Why does the electricity company know your flat size and your heating source?

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  • [–] [S] 64 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    In most places in the US, basic home specs are public record and/or just floating around since the last time it was publicly listed for sale

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I bet you can look at the building permit and learn this stuff

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 6 months ago

    That too, but some jurisdictions put some guardrails for pulling full prior permits, when I wanted to pull all the historical permits for my house for my own records, I had to bring in some proof that I was either the owner, tenant or other interested party (like say a contractor who want to see the previous permits before doing their own work)

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Wow. That idea is definitely 2American4me...
    (I also just posted it in the respective community, as it fits perfectly there...)

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    Where I am in Germany, not only do they know all of that, but they come out every year to check it. This year, they showed up several days before they said they were going to, but when the guy walked in, he looked around, and then gave us a bunch of information about dealing with slum lords, lol.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Are you perhaps confusing that with the heating meter checkers in appartment buildings? They actually need the living area for the billing and have a contract to do so with your landslumlord, and thereby you.

    Regarding the slumlord: The magic word is generally "Mietminderung", I think.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    I’m not confusing it, that’s exactly what I’m talking about! They’re employed by the utility company in my city and contracted through the landlord. Are they completely independent from the utility company elsewhere?

    The apartment is not actually a huge problem, slightly better than a standard student apartment, it’s more that the guy was just drive-by judging my life.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Typically you have a contract with the electricity company yourself, not via the landlord.
    He typically doesn't know and doesn't care from whom (or if at all) you get your electricity.

    Yours might be a special arrangement because of being a student apartment.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I have no idea how uncommon this is here and hope I’m not doxxing myself, but there’s only been one option (the city itself) in the ten+ apartments my husband and I have lived in in this city for water, electricity, and heat (though obviously there are options for using pellet stoves and similar things, but that doesn’t come up much in apartments), so I don’t know if I live in a weird place or if there’s just one city office exchange that serves as a middleman for multiple options.

    Or I might just be misinterpreting you and you meant things like pellet stoves, fireplaces, etc. I guess I would have thought the Schornsteinfeger would have reported the heating method for your home to the city.

    It’s not technically a student apartment, but it’s right next to campus and we’re definitely the first married couple to live there.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    While it is pretty common for heating (as it is mostly centralized either in the building complex or even city district and you're stuck with it), it is very uncommon for electricity.

    There is something called the "Grundtarif" of the local electricity provider that it just defaults to, but you are not forced to keep it.
    This might very likely be it.

    You could just try to look up your meter ID and try to switch to a different provider (can really easily be done online).
    If that just works, great!
    I would in this case really recommend using it, as the Grundtarif usually is the most expensive option you can get, so you could save a lot of money.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Besides what others have said, they'd know the capabilities of the address when it's built, at a minimum, as they're responsible for providing the infrastructure to deliver power to it.

    I really don't get why you're asking this - they need to know what a facility is capable of to manage and plan power delivery.

    As an aside, graphs like this are wildly wrong. Mine says the comparison is made between residences from 0.5 to 1.5 times the size of mine, within a 7 mile radius. So it includes apartments downtown who's heat is steam, and each unit insulates each other, and the building has a dozen to 100 bodies in it, heating it up.

    That makes for a completly irrelevant comparison.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    they need to know what a facility is capable of to manage and plan power delivery.

    But that's a single value measured in Ampere.

    The size in square feet is something completely irrelevant to know.

    And even the Ampere value is only relevant for the local provider that connects to your house, not for the company selling you the actual electric energy.

    The company selling me electricity knows nothing about me but my electric meter ID.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Lighting load on new construction homes is calculated based on square footage.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Lighting load on new construction homes is calculated based on square footage.

    That doesn't even make sense as it treads someone just putting up a single 5W bulb the same as someone having an indoor hemp plantation or heavy machine shop in their basement.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    Well the NEC still uses wattages from old incandescent bulbs for general lighting load calcs, plus there's always a reasonable amount of overspeccing built into the calculation.

    You would then add any large loads specifically. Clothes drier, oven, fridge, HVAC, anything that comes with a nameplate wattage rating should be included in the load calc.

    Most utilities these days will also just round up to a 200A service for anything larger than a trailer. Big houses would get multiples of 200A services if needed.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    (USA) My flat just had its tax assessment done and that includes the floor area, heating source, and other things like how fancy your kitchen is (mine is "standard", btw). That tax assessment is available online to everyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Soooo... there are openly available public databases containing information on how fancy a kitchen you own...?

    On one hand that's completely hilarious.
    On the other hand that's frighteningly dystopian.

    To say it with the latest officially elected German youth word: "Das crazy."

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yep. For example, search for parcel "176-194-030" in the Hartford, CT tax assessor's search. It should bring up a McDonald's fast food building (I chose that because it's less creepy than singling out some random person's home.)

    Screenshot of the parcel info page

    There's even a little drawing of the building. The purple is the first floor and the blue is the "canopy" or, I guess, awning outside. The "interior" tab on this site doesn't list the kitchen quality, but does say the insulation is "typical" and 40% of the building has sprinklers. My guess is different cities and towns track different things in their tax assessments.

    Oh! IIRC, Germany has the thing where the kitchen doesn't stay with the house. In the USA, they're firmly attached.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Coming from a country where even the streetview pictures have to be blurred if the people living there wish so, this uncompromising publication of people's home information is totally fascinating!

    And also I am wondering now, what a half and a 3/4 bath is... ;-)

    BTW: While it is true, that the kitchen is not part of a German house or flat, it nonetheless typically is also firmly attached (big screws into our rather solid brick walls).

    And contrary to exaggerating Youtube-clips, in most cases it stays and is privately and quietly sold by one tenant to the next, out of obvious practical considerations.

    Also because of the "does not belong to the building" rule, when buying a home, it is a good idea to estimate the value of an existing kitchen at the upper end and reduce the official price for the rest of the home accordingly, thereby reducing the estate sales tax by a few bucks. (Sales tax is only for the building, and the kitchen does not belong to the building, so...)

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    a half bath is a toilet+sink. A 3/4 bath is a toilet, sink, and shower (but not a tub). 3/4 bath can be fuzzy: if it's the only bathroom in the home, it will often be called a full bath.

    I'm not sure if we had to pay an estate sales tax when we bought this place. We pay town taxes every 6 months automatically through our mortgage. We also paid a recording fee for the town to record the condo sale. There were a lot of fees, tbh.

    And yes, you got me, I heard about German kitchens from YouTube.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Overall buyer fees are unfortunately quite high in Germany, can be up to ~10% of the property price. Add to that the fact that houses or flats are generally more expensive than in the States, you quickly have additional costs of 50000€ or more (would be roughly the same in $) even for a small estate, which you can not cover by the credit, but have to pay in liquid cash.
    This is a major hurdle for many and a likely part of the reason why so many people live in rented apartments here instead of buying.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Uff...that's close to my yearly electricity bill (including a home server/NAS). Energy consumption in the US is crazy.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Did you try to size your solar panels to your usage or are you doing small scale solar?

    I’ve been thinking about solar, but the prices are pretty harsh, especially without the federal credits.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think I can get the amount of panels needed, as-is my system can produce about 700-800 watts in a good sunny month (which the month they used wasn't really, it was Feb and it produced about 600-650)

    But my electric company has some dumbass arbitrary limit on the amount panels the professional installers have to follow and I'm pretty sure I'm close to it

    I've been meaning to check out this "unofficial" DIY plugin solar stuff, but haven't gotten to it yet lol

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    But my electric company has some dumbass arbitrary limit on the amount panels the professional installers have to follow and I’m pretty sure I’m close to it

    This is what I faced too. The power company only allowed to install solar generation capacity 110% of my power consumption over the last 12 months. So we had to spent a year being very wasteful of electricity. That allowed me to put up panels covering the entire roof.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I'm conducting experiments on temperal mechanics. I need at least 1.21 Gigawatts.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    PLEASE get us out of the Biff timeline

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    While bleak and terrible, I still think Biff's future would be less shitty than Trump's. I mean, Biff wasn't getting dangerously close to starting WW3 or sending gestapo out to round up and deport non-whites. They do share being rapists in common, tho.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    had the same. now I'm running more with less.

    got rid of my commercial grade servers and implemented consumer grade hardware that requires less power.

    I was running four whole dell R series for a total of around 5kw of power (four devices x 1kw psu + redundant).

    now I'm running two consumer grade servers with newer for efficient tech and smaller non-redundant psus. it should be sitting right around 1.2kw.

    the newer hardware can easily run what used to take a dedicated R series.

    next is to consolidate all my network infra.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Mine looks like this because Im the only one that has a heat pump on a street full of gas users

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    similar heating source

    I highly doubt that, probably OP heating source are his servers

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Is this weekly or monthly? If monthly, where the hell are people using only 600 kwh a month?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    if you have gas or wood as a heating system and no electric cars?

    This month we have reach for the moment 398kWh, with quite a lot of powertools(compressor, woodworking equipment,...) , plus dryer/washers etc. But no electric heating/boiler, which is gas or wood.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    I do, most of the time. A while back I tracked my monthly electricity usage and it ranges from 200-700kWh a month. That includes cooking, heating and hot water too, one of the first things I did when getting my house was move everything to electricity and get the gas disconnected.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's surprising. I live in an area with no gas connections, so everything is electric. We average a little over 1000kwh a month every month.

    I do live in a hot place so we rely on air conditioning a lot, maybe that's the difference.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Surprised it would be pretty much the same amount every month, does your area not really have a winter/summer?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    DFW part of Texas, it's mostly hot throughout the year. I let my thermostat get a bit warm when no one is home to save on energy cost there.

    The winters here get cold, but not that bad and not for very long so the heater doesn't need to be on that much. Usage does go down during those months. We peak around 1400 or so in the hottest months.

    My usage is so consistent I happily took an energy plan that was more expensive unless my energy usage stays between 1000-2000 kwh, where they give a $100 usage credit.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    This is how you get cops busting through your door looking for a pot farm

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Same here, but I run a projector and watch movies and play games on one wall of my room. The bulb sucks 330 watts to project that large of an image.

    I love being an irresponsible adult so much sometimes. :D

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  • [+] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • Laser projectors also tend to have better color depth. Projector tech has actually progressed by leaps and bounds in the past decade, so people still using older projectors are really missing out.

    The one big problem they haven’t been able to solve is black levels. Because with a projector screen, your black level can only ever be as dark as the ambient light in the room.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Yeah I had something similar when I had my 24U rack somewhat half occupied some years ago. Nowadays I have the same occasionally as I have two electric cars.

    And I have a 10kWp solar system, too. So I can get by summertime with some <500kwh bills.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    How did you get my power bill

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I have a NAS, 2 mini PCs, 2 3D printers and that's my power consumption on for 6 months.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Yeah all ya gotta do is wfh

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    When it was - 10c a month was 2400kWh with a heat pump, one electric radiator and bathroom floor heating.

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