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[–] voaw@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

“If you believe The Official Story about everything that happens, then you're not thinking, you're repeating. If the only thing you question is the questioners, then you're not an individual with your own mind, you are an enforcer of the status quo.” Caitlin Johnstone

[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (64 children)

Do any genuine DPRK defenders have sources or statistics to help me break my brainwashing or whatever because all I have ever seen are reasons to oppose and people saying yeah but what if that's not actually true.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

Some introductory de-brainwashing links:

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

Thanks for the links. I'm curious if you see North Korea as an actual positive example of state governance or socialism, or if you simply mean to point out certain specific myths?

The haircut video is an interesting demonstration of how state-run media spreads falsehoods, but overall it's really more of an indictment of America than a defense of North Korea. South Korea paying people makes sense, I never really gave defectors too much credence anyway. The interview is interesting but I wish it were longer and more in-depth.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The DPRK is a success story, they succeeded in defeating both the Japanese and US imperialists (despite the US killing 1/5 of their citizens), fought the US comprador government to a standstill (which still serves as a US military base and carries out attacks and propaganda against the DPRK), and made it through the incredibly hard period of the 90s (the arduous march) after the fall of the USSR.

Socialism can take on many forms, all of which can't be divorced from the historical context in which they arose. Other comrades can give some deep dives into the DPRK's governance system, which can show how it's far more democratic than the capitalist dictatorship in the south.

We should all admire the DPRK for standing up to the US empire, and debunk the lies told about it first and foremost. Liberals tend to think its mordor or something, when in reality its a country where ppl go to work and live regular lives like any other.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Point taken that they overcame adversity and that there is propaganda against them. To be fair, that can be said to varying degrees about a lot of countries.

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[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Everyone has reasons to do propaganda but if you're mostly exposed to western media then it's definitely a good idea to fact check everything they say about their geopolitical enemies, because they're always gonna be slandered to hell and even in countries with actual problematic leadership the idea isn't to uncritically defend them but just push back against narratives that will never serve the people in those countries regardless

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

Fair enough. The original meme seems to suggest, though, not just that people are subject to propaganda, but that North Korea is, in fact, good.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

What does good mean here? That's a very vague idea by which to classify entire societies, it would probably serve our understanding better to have more concrete criteria. For example, I would say the continued existence of the DPRK has had a net positive effect on the development of the global south: their development under seige has created a blueprint for other countries to examine, they counterbalance the power of imperial vassals in the region such as Japan, and the military deterrence they provide against US aggression has most likely saved a lot of lives.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah good is a Rorschach word. I interpret it in the context of states as in broad alignment with whatever political values you hold. If geopolitical positioning is what you care about them sure they might be good.

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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago (12 children)

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago (11 children)

Thanks. Specifically, in broad terms the things that would concern me most about North Korea as a positive model of statehood, are

Lack of democracy
Universal conscription
Nationalism
Poverty

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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

Thanks.

I'll have to read more about Korean Nationalism. As to poverty, you make fair points. As to universal conscription, I object to it in all circumstances regardless of wartime vs peace, as it is literally slavery. Other countries doing it doesn't make it better.

As to Democracy, I am confused by the claim

the DPRK is the only socialist country that has implemented direct elections at all levels

When the source later says

All of these mass organisations make up the Democratic Front...the potential nomination is debated and discussed at many mass meetings, and only then is the final candidate nominated for elections to the SPA.

I fail to see the "direct election" in this process. It seems like a committee that theoretically takes into consideration debate and opinion but which then makes a unilateral nomination, who runs unopposed. Am I missing something?

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

It isn’t literally slavery

How would you define slavery? Do you see it as only applicable in the context of commodity production?

Candidates that are selected run unopposed, on a “yes/no” basis

I may look more into the book. Curious if you know of any data on how common it is for candidates to lose an election once nominated? I have to say, even the Yes/No voting is done properly, the lack of an open primary or similar seems to preclude the idea of "direct elections".

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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

universal conscription is similar to how people are forced to go to school in most societies

I recognize the difference you are making, but this seems like huge a stretch. Children's lack of knowledge requires some degree of restriction on autonomy at least to a certain age, in the interest of preparing them for life. Personally I think school mandates are excessive in most countries, but it is still very different from a mandatory activity for adults. Moreover, the military represents a far greater risk of personal harm. As to the idea that it is self-organizing, the degree to which that is true rests heavily on the democracy question.

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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Further, I am not purely speaking of children, but also full adults getting their medical degrees and having to give back to the system by going to the areas most in need for a time.

I definitely oppose that. It might just be a difference in values.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

I actually live in a country that claims to be socialist, but I'm not sure they have gone very far to earn that label.

Cuba...doctors

AFAIK no one is forced to become a doctor in Cuba

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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago

I don’t think your country is really socialist

Me either

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[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I fail to see the "direct election" in this process. It seems like a committee that theoretically takes into consideration debate and opinion but which then makes a unilateral nomination, who runs unopposed. Am I missing something?

By direct election, what's meant is that all levels of government, from the local, to national level, are elected directly by the people.

Contrast this with it's neighbor China, where local level positions are directly elected, but by the time you get to the national level, positions are elected, indirectly, by the directly elected representatives from the lower levels. The DPRK doesn't have that same sort of insulation at the national level.

Candidates, meanwhile, are decided through mass meetings. This is a very loose comparison, but imagine something roughly akin to the caucus system in some USAmerican primary elections. But instead of boiling it down to two candidates, it gets boiled down to one. The final vote where you cast your ballot is essentially a ratification vote of that 'primary' process, where you vote "yes" or "no", but that doesn't mean the process which preceded it wasn't competitive.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

Thank you for clarifying. Voting directly in this sense is perhaps more democratic than delegation. Whether this system is democratic, though, really comes down to how the committees are run. Before having read the book mentioned, I am skeptical that a "democratic" process should rely so heavily on something as imprecise as a committee.

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[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

It's a bit difficult to say how institutionally robust these meetings are, simply because the DPRK is so artificially closed off from the world.

The Cuban electoral system works roughly similar, with direct elections at all levels of government, mass meetings narrowing down to one candidate, and ratification votes at the end of the process. And we have a much better window into how those work.

Obviously that's a country on the other side of the world, so we can't just graft the Cuban experience onto the DPRK, but it can help us be more informed in our speculation

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

What countries do you think have democracy?

Because liberal / capitalist dictatorships are not democracies, despite marketing themselves as ones.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago

Democracy is not a binary, it can exist to varying degrees. A strong example of democracy would be Uruguay, where popular votes can block and propose legislation, which has been used to prevent privatization. A more radical example might be Federal Northern Syria.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (43 children)

if your attention span has been ruined by social media like mine is; madeline pendelton does short form videos that touches on it and she backs it up with a linktree full of sources and north korea seems to be her favorite topic. she's also on almost all of the social media platforms and you should be aware that her videos comment are mostly filled with hate from brainwashed people.

she also does a twich channel where she goes over the current news and explains the propaganda in it; i watch it everyday.

here's the most recent video of hers that i shared: https://www.tiktok.com/@madeline_pendleton/video/7610963982198770975

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[–] Dippy@beehaw.org -1 points 6 months ago (12 children)

Stopped reading and Madeline Pendelton. I dont trust people who are racist.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago (11 children)

leftists aren't racists; that's only liberals and conservatives.

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[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 1 point 6 months ago (10 children)

Im not generalizing. Im talking specifically about Pendleton.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago (9 children)

so am i and pendelton is not racist

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[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 1 point 6 months ago (8 children)

Her crashout against Xtian Divine on tiktok was plenty of proof that she's a racist person.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

google can't even find this xtian divine person; so post your source instead of baseless accusations, but don't bother if it's a carefully stitched, out-of-context talking points.

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[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

I did spell it wrong, its xiandivyne but here is one of the response videos. His tiktok. Decide what you want, I know you will anyway. But if we allow racists who disingenuously represent black ppl to lead the conversations, we will keep getting more trumps instead of Harris's and the world will keep getting more fascistic and capitalistic.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

nothing in this video supports the racism allegation you're presenting here so that's the closest thing to disingenuous that's been displayed here so far.

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[–] Dippy@beehaw.org -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I send one video about a whole back and forth crashout, and you expect to have the whole story. No, this one video is not the whole story, but at this point, you have what you need to find the whole thing. What im saying is that she treated this man so badly for no reason and my conclusion is that she must be racist to have had this interaction this way. Further supported by how Pendleton was one of those "leftists" who spent the whole 2024 election shitting on Harris, helping pave the way to Trump 2.

Edit: I did find this follow up As well and he kinda sums it all up. He's not accusing her of racism. But I am. She was not acting like a normal, nonracist person

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

Further supported by how Pendleton was one of those “leftists” who spent the whole 2024 election shitting on Harris, helping pave the way to Trump 2.

I don't know or care about anyone else you mentioned to this point but this is fucking silly blueMAGA nonsense. Harris lost because she refused to distance herself from an active genocide and spent her entire run courting republicans and ignoring the left who then proceeded to not vote for the genocide enabler.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

that's the same video and leftists did not support kamala harris; liberals who called themselves leftists did.

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[–] Dippy@beehaw.org -3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

I hate technology, sorry about the bad link. If you didnt support Harris, you furthered fascism intentionally. No leftist with a brain would sit that shit out.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

only 30 million liberals sat it out and i'm genuinely interested in hearing anti-pendelton views so long as there's legitimate grievances about her.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml -5 points 6 months ago (29 children)

Thanks for the link. The source doesn't really pass the sniff test, though. Take, for example, the claim that North Koreans are permitted to leave the country.

From the Article 63 of this 2015 criminal law document:

A citizen who has committed an act of treason against the state, such as by betraying the State and escaping to another country or surrendering, defecting or giving over secrets, shall be sentenced to a term of reform through labour of more than 5 years. In particularly grave cases, he or she shall be sentenced to life-term of reform through labour or to the death penalty and confiscation of property.

This doesn't sound like a law only applied to violent criminals.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (22 children)

Take, for example, the claim that North Koreans are permitted to leave the country.

They absolutely are. I met more than one during my many years in university.

betraying the State and escaping

You very clearly misread this. It's a crime to commit treason and then escape. AND. "escaping" to another country is not a crime.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (21 children)

Do you have a take on 2 and 3

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago (20 children)

I know you didn't ask but 3 and 4 seem normal to me defecting during wartime and espionage are punished everywhere on Earth for a reason it makes them no better or worse than any other country.

As for surrender I have a feeling it's a purposely unflattering translation whose real meaning is likely more inline with international norms such as

Article 99 of the UCMJ

Section 2 of the Armed Forces Act 2006

Section 74 of the National Defence Act

Section 15 of the Defence Force Discipline Act 1982

Section 34 of the Army Act 1950

and so on.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (19 children)

Are you suggesting that these laws only apply during active service in the military?

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago (18 children)

No that's not at all what I said.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago (17 children)

The examples you site as comparable to 2 are military laws.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (16 children)

Surrender specifically is a combatant concept (defecting and espionage are not), non-combatants don't surrender under military law, they migrate or seek asylum. E.g. to surrender you must be a combatant in this case an active service member.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (15 children)

Sure, but in a country with universal conscription I'm not sure that's exclusive to the military context.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago (14 children)

Universal conscription doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. It's simply a mandatory service term, not permanent combatant status. Much like in the ROK, Thailand, etc., eligible citizens serve a set period then return to civilian life, they aren't subject to surrender laws before or after their term.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (13 children)

I understand this but am not familiar with the specifics. In Israel, for example, I know people remain on reserve duty long past their conscription period.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago (12 children)

This isn't relevant anyway the fact is the laws you posted are seemingly entirely normal laws that are common around the world, and you were wrong that they aren't allowed to travel abroad by the government.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

How is that not relevant? If people are in reserve services presumably this law would apply to them.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago (10 children)

No reserves are not active combatants unless called upon just like in every country that has reservese (I can't think of one that doesn't). And even if it did the law itself as written is perfectly inline with international norms the fact they have universal conscription or a possible large reserve force doesn't change that.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

It looks like North Korean citizens enter service for ten years, and stay in reserve for another 30. Presumably we agree that this law prevents them from seeking asylum in South Korea until at least the end of that ten year period, which is pretty restrictive. I don't see any reason to believe it wouldn't also continue into the reserve period or even after, especially since the law is written as a law applying to "citizens" assuming the translation is correct.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (8 children)

I don’t see any reason to believe it wouldn’t also continue into the reserve period or even after

Because surrender has a specific meaning that requires the person in question be an active combatant. The law applies to citizens as it cover this but also espionage and defection which do not require this caveat.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Look, even if it doesn't apply to reserve force members, the claim that North Koreans are free to leave the country is at best misleading if they have to wait until they are 30 years old.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

That's a disgustingly bad faith interpretation of what is said and is patently false. They have laws surrounding surrender that are inline with international norms same with defection and espionage none of these apply to leaving legally as you would know if you went to university in China plenty of non 30 year olds learning there. Citizens of the DPRK are permitted to travel by the government it's the UN sanctions stopping them travelling beyond China and Russia.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The core question isn't whether they can study in China, it is whether they can freely cross the border into South Korea to seek asylum.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

First off no. That was not the core question. You said:

Take, for example, the claim that North Koreans are permitted to leave the country.

The answer is yes they are permitted. Despite how you attempt to twist what the law says and what we were talking about to dodge this fact.

Secondly obviously you can't move to a hostile power during wartime that's called defecting. No country on Earth currently or has ever allowed that.

Are you trolling?

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

obviously you can’t move to a hostile power during wartime that’s called defecting.

I'm not trolling. This is what people claim when they say people can't leave the country. Debunking this claim without acknowledging that the core idea is true is dishonest.

No country on Earth currently or has ever allowed that.

I am pretty sure that people traveled between the US and the USSR in both directions during the cold war. Indians and Pakistanis can travel back and forth. Heck, Americans can go to Iran right now if they can figure out a way to.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

If you wish to continue to troll I think we should end this here. Citizens of the DPRK are allowed to travel (just not defect to a country they are at war with) what stops them is visa refusals due to UN sanctions. The US and USSR were never at war that's why it was the cold war. India and Pakistan have normalcy as core parts of their ceasefire terms from the most recent scuffle (which never did escalate to all our war). Funny you bring up Iran who the US never declared war on but do you know where they aren't allowed travel by the American government, the DPRK because they are at war with them. Please educate yourself and grow up trolling is unbecoming once you mature past 12.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

trolling is unbecoming once you mature past 12.

Excellent point, Qin Shi Huang's Shlong

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

this implies that you're a minor

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

if you look at the links in the video, you would see that several organizations; including the UN; has made up shit about north korea.

also, it's bonkers that you would use the same organization that condemned iran for defending itself and has slow walked justice for the gaza genocides for decades.

if you refuse to look beyond western sources, you're going to be stuck being brainwashed for the rest of your life.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I am totally open to looking beyond western sources. Do you have a link to a non-western translation of North Korean criminal law?

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

it's in her linktree; the video says so.

did you even watch the video? because it's starting to feel like you're being willfully ignorant here.

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[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Genuinely, I do not see that in her linktree. She links to this document for information about North Korea: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fPJjTYGBo4QRuafFkbWTA8imbpr-QP3tD_946Yv_v3A/edit?tab=t.0

I do not see a translation of North Korean criminal law in the document.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

she doing her live stream on twich right now as she does almost every day; ask her for this specific one.

https://www.twitch.tv/madelinependleton

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[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think I found the original on https://www.unilaw.go.kr/bbs/selectBoardList.do?bbsId=BBSMSTR_000000000021&bbsSubId=008 (number 5 "형법")

While I meant to try and figure out translating it literally, it has turned out more difficult than I had hoped. So if any korean understanders would like to check it instead, here is the specific article:

제63조 (조국반역죄)
공민이 조국을 배반하고 다른 나라로 도망쳤거나 투항, 변절하였거나 비밀을 넘겨준것과 같은 조국반역행위를 한 경우에는 5년이상의 로동교화형에 처한다. 정상이 특히 무거운 경우에는 무기로동교화형 또는 사형 및 재산몰수형에 처한다.

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"공민" meaning "citizen," suffixed with "이" probably marking the the noun as the subject.
"조국" meaning "motherland," suffixed with "을" "indicates the future intention of the subject."
"배반" means "betrayal, treachery, [or] treason," suffixed with "하고" meaning "and" or "with."
"다른" means "different, [or] other."
"나라" means "country," suffixed with "로" meaning "to, [or] toward."
It is presumably "도망쳤거" although wiktionary does not contain such an entry. Wiktionary does have some entries starting with "도망" that all mean "to flee, to escape." Presumably suffixed with "나" I think meaning "or"
"투항" meaning "surrender"

So a very literal translation might be something like "citizen(subject) motherland(to be done) betrayal-and other country-toward flee-or surrender" ... and then the rest which this is more effort than I can.

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[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

North korea is a great country, and anyone who thinks differently belongs in the gulag

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[–] grandel@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Yeah, everybody in North Korea says it's great!

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -4 points 6 months ago*

Yes, it's better for they health and those from their families to do so and to love their leader, same as in the US.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

You have been banned from [REDACTED]

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[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No one in the history of discourse has cited being a free thinker as why they thought ill of North Korea.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago

While generally true that people rarely argue from the position of being a freethinker as a vocal core of their argument. What is not rare, however, is the habit of many calling anyone who points out that English sphere narratives about the DPRK are manufactured nonsense brainwashed. To label someone brainwashed on a given issue rests on the presupposition that you yourself are not. It assumes you operate as a free thinker. This posture persists even while their views align almost entirely with propaganda generated and circulated by the imperialist hegemon against an ideological enemy they remain at war with. Claiming intellectual immunity while repeating hegemonic talking points with little to no evidence (The core of the joke.).

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

Oh wow I guess no one has ever in the history of discourse accused someone of being in an echo chamber for being to the left of Bernie Sanders

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[–] SleepyPie@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Hitting yourself in the dick with a hammer is bad.

Very intelligent person: “Heh did SOCIETY tell you that?”

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

In this case hitting yourself in the dick with a hammer is analagous to crippling your ability to understand the world by thoughtlessly swallowing the Epstein Empire's propaganda about other countries you've never seen or been to. So yes, it is bad and yes, your society did tell you to do it.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 6 months ago

It's gobsmacking how every time these kinds of people have refused to open their eyes, finally had them forced open (eg couldn't ignore/deny/whitewash material facts) continue to uncritically, without serious investigation (outside the same Western sources) continue to deny/ignore/whitewash everything else leftists try to tell the world. They are actively harming humanity by suppressing the truth just because they can't accept it.

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[+] yourgodlucifer@sh.itjust.works -7 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

You don't even have to do anything but look at their own propaganda to realize something is up. the way they praise Kim jong un is creepy

In the cartoon squirrel and hedgehog they portray one of the characters being a child soldier as a good thing the overall message of the show is that you should always be willing to sacrifice yourself for your country (despite this cartoon being propaganda it's pretty good give it a watch)

I don't understand DPRK Stans.

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[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

I don't disagree that the personality cult around the Kim's is a troubling part of the DPRK's political culture, I don't think that kind of thing is necessarily conducive to a healthy democracy. But, this is a country that has been forcibly chopped in half, bombed so much that people were forced to live in caves, and has been cut off from the global economy by US sanctions.

If you expect a country to endure that without issues, then you're crazy. If you want to end that cult of personality, you should be advocating for an end to sanctions, and end to the Korean War, the removal of US military bases and an internationally mediated settlement between North and South Korea about what the peninsula's future might look like.

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[+] taygaloocat@leminal.space -14 points 6 months ago (7 children)

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 6 months ago

lmao imagine thinking that being a racist sack of shit is sensible

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago

my government is evil and lies constantly but of course I believe everything they say about their enemies

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[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago

I guess we're not freethinkers like you.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

Sensible is when you believe that the DPRK is Mordor, Russian people are orcs who don't know what toilets are, and genocide is only bad when it's the orange man doing it

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[+] taygaloocat@leminal.space -7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago

Why can’t you people just vouch for Scandinavian democratic socialism? It’s clearly the only thing that’s working in this fucked world.

Probably because they fund their social democracy through pillaging the third world. Or the fact it does nothing to address the root issues of modern society (imperialism and the contradictions of capital). Among other issues.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Haha, sometimes I miss having the radlib blend of absolute conviction and absolute pigheaded ignorance. Have you ever been to Korea? Have you ever spoken to someone from the DPRK? Or do you "know" what you know about it in the same way you "know" what you think you know about every Designated Enemy country? Would you call Gaza an authoritarian Islamist shithole? Why or why not?

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago*

You will repeat this about every Designated Enemy country from now until the US empire finally collapses, and the stories will only become more outlandish.

Cuba is making cyborg zombie soldiers. We must liberate them with bombs.

Brussels is kidnapping people and stitching them together into human centipedes in the name of communism. They must be stopped.

Trinidad and/or Tobago are using the department of war wifi to torrent video games without seeding, they must be turned to radioactive glass for their insolence.

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