Something I was thinking about in the car today, shuffling through songs that glorify The Hustle, talk about how money is all that matters…It got me wondering if there’s too much media that tells us that working ourselves to death is the only way to live.

Yes, I am of course aware that there’s plenty of media about living a life of leisure, rebelling against the grind, and so on. I’m am of course also aware that a solid work ethic is a generally positive trait.

So the question I guess comes down to balance. What do you see as the prevailing message in the media you see/hear/read? Is it, “Work as hard and amass as much money as you possibly can and nothing else matters?” Or do you see something different/better?

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[–] 40 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Yes. And people just eat it up. I get it. I got caught up in the “hustle and grind” of life. I tried multiple income sources and I was proudly working 80 hours/week while missing my children grow up. But a life altering event caused me to pause and reassess my life. I started working less and spending more time with my family. I worked on myself from being low tempered to be more “go with the flow”

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    i knew someone in cc that was doing 68hrs/week, end up pratically sleeping at school whenever he can, then had some kind "breakdown" and changed his major away from the "MD" field, yea it wasnt realistic as he wasnt even acing those Pre-stem classes(not even upper division yet), and it would be too expensive , stressful to even compete, i assume it was because he had a AVERAGE in a gen chem class, he wont survive in things like organic chem, biochem(which i took in a 4 year), even physics was brutal for non-scientists. he went with a 180 degree into something totally different. dont know how web designer as a industry is doing now.

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  • [–] 63 points 6 months ago*

    Capitalist propaganda. Capitalists pay to make that media, so it's their culture that gets represented.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    It's a peculiar thing

    Very American

    I want to work as little as I possibly can. I have plenty to do with my life and making money for someone else isn't important to me

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    Not really anymore. I think it was definitely the dominant messaging in the 2010s when people were fighting to be rewarded for their hustle (e.g., lean-in feminism, LGBTQ consumerism, Asian Americans as tech entrepreneurs, rise of the [insert minority here] owned business labeling, etc.), but I find the pendulum has been swinging back the other way towards nihilist external-locus-of-control counterculture. I think we are slowly realizing as a society that we can't, in fact, work our asses out of systemic oppression by the elites.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I see the message that anyone who is not rich is a loser. That's what the problem is. All media characters are aspiring to be rich or they are totally miserable.

    There is no respect for the middle class or working class people who are just happy.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Even characters that are presented as poor or middle class have homes, cars, and clothing that would well exceed their means in the real world.

    You'll have a show with a 20 something couple that are "just staring out", he's a mechanic at a small independent garage and she's a struggling singer-songwriter. Without support from their parents they somehow have a 1200 square foot loft in a major city, brand new MacBooks, a top of the line TV, coordinated decor with no flatpack furniture, brand name clothing, and a late model crossover with all the options.

    I know product placement is part of it, but it's still bullshit and unrealistic.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    yes, the billionaires own the "popular media" and want to continue the "Don't worry that your life sucks NOW, work hard, eek out an existence, MAYBE MAYBE you too could be wealthy, but if not, don't worry, AFTER DEATH you get to be wealthy for sure, trust me brah....."

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That kind of media doesn't really appeal to me so I don't consume it. A lot of rap and country is about that (in different ways; hustling vs working hard at your job). The only recent show or movie I watched that I can think of that emphasizes overworking is The Pitt, but I'm not sure it glorifies it.

    I do think working hard (or smart or whatever) is important and admirable, but only if the work is exceptionally important and beneficial to society (not most work), and not if you're being exploited by your employer (most work). The most important work is probably the labor people don't typically get paid to do (or get paid little).

    I'm also of the opinion that trying to work too much is usually counterproductive and people get less work done. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of studies that confirm this.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There's an interesting video on this topic: "Hollywood's obsession with ambition"

    https://youtu.be/BucSbzYXqKM

    You might find it interesting, also gives examples of the opposite portrayed in media.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The media is owned by capitalists. Anything that threatens capital needs to be snuffed out.

    https://youtu.be/eXvBjCO19QY?si=zVwE2qqCdoR4Htx9

    This is Tupac who was murdered.

    https://youtu.be/E58qLXBfLrs?si=ZTJPIk0TZvEYiTXO

    This is Kanye West who is a professed Nazi and still alive.

    These songs were within a decade of each other. I know that's not enough data, but I think the differences in tone can be accounted for which was was more acceptable to power.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I doubt Tupac was murdered by capitalists because he didn't like them

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Maybe. This is all conjecture, but it seems convenient that Tupac who advocated for helping the poor in his music was murdered and all the black artists who popped up after him (Beyonce,JayZ, Kanye for example) are all about "get my money" music.

    Of course, I have no evidence, but if you've read about all the various CIA psyops over the past 80 years, it doesn't sound that far fetched.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    The prevailing message in media I see is that the workers should unionise

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    “Popular media” shouldn’t determine how you want to live.

    However, you should objectively look at what it would take to achieve your goals. And reassess at regular intervals.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Whats funny is I used to be more motivated to be that way but its because my motivation is more intrinsict and I worked in research and such. Its hard to feel excited to contribute if society is not moving net positive for people in general.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I think it just depends on what music you're listening to. I wasn't able to think of any songs I've been listening to in the last year or two that glorified the hustle, if anything they do the opposite. Here's an example that came to mind when I saw this post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1bW2MBdyLw

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That's why I routinely listen to this to fight back against The Hustle.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Who the hell is writing songs glorifying working too much?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I think only in US which has tons of really weird propaganda (glorifying police violence, military, nationalism, capitalism and so on). In Europe I think this is mostly promoted in some corporate circles which are very "Americanized".

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    When you say media, do you mean Rap?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Not sure about OP, but I see this in tons of genres of music along with a lot of films/shows. Working hard, even if not compensated enough to live a happy life, is often portrayed as the best thing you can do while relaxing and not wanting to work is portrayed as lazy and undesirable.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    just like these wealthy people releasing thier daily schedule to the media, activities as being "busy" when in fact they have so much time to do anything else but work,

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    I work my ass off. More than anyone would think is reasonable. Thing is I'm not sure what else to do with myself anyway.

    But also I'm sitting at a resort with the love of my life in the Dominican Republic soaking my balls in a pleasantly cool pool and smoking a cigar. Which I can do because I work my ass off. I wouldn't tell anyone they should follow my example because I'm probably going to work myself into an early heart attack and there are plenty of less expensive ways to enjoy yourself on a week off. And my back is so bad from sitting at a desk all day that I can barely walk most mornings.

    But right at this moment I feel like I'm living my best life. And swimming in the ocean every day has improved my back so much in a week. I need to get a house on the ocean some day.

    Idk if this sounds like humble bragging I don't mean it that way. I really have nothing to do with my time but work. I don't have any friends other than family and whomever happens to sit nearby for a few minutes. I really don't recommend it if you're not driven to be this way.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    It seems to be a very common thing in the US, and some around here takes to it from social media, but most people are to busy prioritising life to jump into such a depressing mindset.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    “Work as hard and amass as much money as you possibly can and nothing else matters?” Or do you see something different/better?

    The hell with money obsession (I quit a great job many years ago, to get my life back).

    But making stuff is not just about earning money. It's about making. Making something out of nothing or out of some raw material (be it a piece of wood before one starts sculpting it, or some vague idea before one starts making a book out of it). And that, that is indeed hard work. It requires efforts, humility (one needs to be ok with being bad at first), and patience (o learn to get better at doing it).

    Imvho, that hard work is the very reason why we're alive, we just need to re-learn that we don't have to make a business out of it.

    Edit: clarifications.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    not at all, I'm 60, semi retired at 35 and fully retired at 40.

    i say work your ass off

    I’m am of course also aware that a solid work ethic is a generally positive trait.

    I saw a columnist opine we need work or people will get up to no end of mischief.

    More people need to do less, most of the destruction of the environment on which we all depend is people doing endless busy work.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    and we realize its propaganda to distract people from politics, if you are tired from work all day, you arnt concerned about what politicians are doing behind your back. kinda make sense with republican voters in that some of them , expenses arent super high since they are living in HCOL areas and they can afford to be "watching fox all day" to vote one way. keeping people uneducated and angry plays a part into that.

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