Somehow I'm skeptical of how organically popular pro-chinese trends are on tiktok. It's like trying to use youtube views to gauge the popularity of google products...
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Cool, another unspecified "here" in a world news comm.
looks inside yep it's the US
It's all fake - https://piefed.social/c/world/p/1914864/borrowed-mouths-and-laundered-messages-chinas-influence-playbook-in-europe
It seems like the user who posted that article makes similar posts attacking China exclusively, day-in and day-out. 4000+ posts in the last year.
This particular post is a summary from a report from a large European think tank that's obviously quite pro-NATO and worthy of skepticism from any anti-imperialist audience. The report itself seems to cast an extremely broad net as to what should count as nefarious Chinese meddling:
However, China’s efforts today are about shaping public opinion at scale. In a wider casting of the net, Chinese FIMI now relies on a busy ecosystem of other actors. For example, Beijing uses research partnerships, business associations, cultural exchanges, diaspora networks and social media influencers—who may or may not recognise their role in communicating CCP narratives. These locally based people and organisations (such as, for example, a Polish influencer talking to Polish audiences) provide familiar cultural and linguistic references and possess legitimacy that Chinese authorities lack. They help embed Beijing’s narratives into debates that, at first glance, may seem unrelated to China, such as the future of European industrial policy, global governance or the economy.
The underlying logic runs as follows: influence the wider information environment first, allow preferred narratives to become familiar and “common sense” in everyday online discourse and then let those narratives travel—with the help of local intermediaries—into mainstream media agendas and, eventually, national politics.
According to this report, a Chinese academic who's just participating in a research program in Europe is part of China's "FIMI" (their buzzword for disinformation/propaganda) efforts. But that, and the examples cited throughout here (except maybe AI which I'm willing to say is a different kind of phenomenon) is just a normal part of a country integrating itself in the globalized world.
If Algerian students start coming to European universities, and Algerian traveling influencers start talking about how cool it is to travel to Algeria, and Algerian artists make media that is consumed in Europe, European people's opinion of Algeria will improve. And I think that it would be perfectly OK for that to happen, and for the governments of Algeria and Europe to try to cultivate that cultural exchange and bringing down of barriers. Same with literally any other country on earth (especially the ones that I'm very critical of, e.g. USA and Israel, because it still is cool for people to be less ignorant, although with the US particularly I think people are already extremely familiar with their culture and it dominates everything).
Why is it any different with China? Why are Chinese people treated with this suspicion? Why are we contributing to sinophobia by acting like it's crazy that young people kinda want to be Chinese?
I've travelled all over China, it's crap. You can't fool me.
??? Was this before like 2010?
Its a wonderful country, I'm returning in like a week.
They're the lead dev of PieFed, super biased from what I understand of them.
Are you sure? Something tells me that their conclusion that there's nothing worthwhile in a country of 1.4 billion people that covers nearly a quarter of the largest continent on earth, with 5,000 years of history, and incredibly varied ecosystems, architecture, cultures, and landscapes might be biased. But I don't want to be uncharitable.
China is fucking huge, maybe Rimu was in like a shitty part of it, while you visited somewhere awesome?
Mainland China is also ruled entirely by an authoritarian regime whose presence is extremely notable to those tourists who aren't interested in putting blinders on. For some people, that's crap.
They say they went all over. Its hard to imagine they didn't go to at least 1 cool place.
The only not-awsome places I experienced were small rural border towns with nothing to do and pretty bad construction quality. Even they had decent, suprisingly diverse food.
lol. Amazing propaganda. They’re good, gotta give them that.
Is it Chinese propaganda that living conditions and future prospects in the Western world are really bleak and young people are coping by imagining how much better life would be in the biggest country in the world that doesn't seem to be suffering from those problems at quite the same level?
Anything I say to you will result in you pasting propaganda, links to known biased sites, paid articles, and other propaganda.
Nothing an ML says can be trusted. You know this.
It's not propaganda and nor is it limited to Israel's Bitches. Around the world, young people have much more respect for China than the USI.
You should leave your bubble every once and awhile so you're not as ignorant about everything outside of it.
Israel’s Bitches
You have the relationship backwards; Israel depends on the US to exist, its an extension of US imperialism.
Due to propaganda, not due to having been there and experienced living in China. TikTok videos leave out all the bad stuff, like how you don’t have freedom of speech, and cannot marry your same sex partner. Something “young people” in the west enjoy. And because of the great firewall, we all know only the “right people” have access to western internet.
You're right that the grass always looks greener on the other side. I'm sure a large number of the Gen Z people who post Chinamaxxing memes only do it in jest and/or wouldn't do it if they knew a bit more of what they would have to give up to live in China (especially if they're queer, but otherwise moreso in the realm of access to cheap foreign goods that people in imperialist countries get than "free speech" which anyone on TikTok of all platforms has already learned is never guaranteed in a capitalist country). Yet Western countries seem to be backsliding on those aspects, while the older generation in China that's stricter and more conservative is aging out of politics. I think you don't have to be pollyannaish to think that in ~20 years, China will have surpassed the largest issues you might have with it, but it gets harder and harder to think Western countries will do the same.
we all know only the “right people” have access to western internet
Quite literally anyone in China is capable of grabbing a VPN and have unsupervised access to the same internet as you and me. The so-called "great firewall" only exists as a means of making it more difficult for Chinese internet users to patronize Western (mostly American) internet services. If there was no firewall, companies like Meta and Google would have access to the Chinese market and it would be hard for local Chinese companies like WeChat or BiliBili to grow.
Don't feed the trolls
It is honestly surprising, that it took so long. China is a massive country, with a large economy. They should be an absolute leader in exporting cultural products. Especially since China inherited Hong Kongs massive movie industry, which decline after the hand over.
Its kinda insane they didn't come up with Kung Foo Panda first, and the music random chinese people show me seems so anemic.
It is also terrifying since China has been know to do "ethnic cleansing" from time to time
LOL you drank the Cool aid
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2025/country-chapters/china
The human rights abuses by China are well documented. They aren't the only country who has abused human right but that doesn't make it somehow better.
They dealt with terrorist attacks and China has jails, shocker.
It's not like they have a Guantanamo, luckily Obama closed that first day in office like he promised.
Anyway, not getting into that, the China bad crowd have milked this non-issue long enough.
And 'ethnic cleansing' is beyond pathetic
A user in the comments section referenced American surveys that show the Chinese government is much more popular among its people compared to the American one. It got heavily downvoted and one use unironically responded:
The fact that people feel free to express their disatisfaction in America is a feature... not a bug.
Not the Onion level of Western chauvinism
Videos proclaiming users are “Chinamaxxing,” or “in a very Chinese time of their lives”
This sounds like bullshit, of course we know people have clubs that are fans of country music or Star Trek or whatever cultural things people may find interesting.
But I never heard about USA maxxing, and I doubt there would be more reason to do that with China.
Some Chinese cultural elements may be fun, popular and interesting, but Chinamaxxing sounds more like a mental health issue than a cultural thing. And definitely not an element of soft power.
I hope this means less Sinophonia and not copying the government's authoritarianism lol
I wanna highlight this:
“Appreciation does not erase the racism that many Chinese people grew up with,” said Elise Zeng, 28, from Brooklyn, New York. A video she posted critiquing the social media phenomenon was liked by more than 36,000 people.
She recalls how during the COVID-19 pandemic she was afraid for her parents stepping out of the house because they heard about people getting attacked just walking down the street. At the time, many Asians reported being assaulted or verbally abused by people who blamed East Asians for the spread of the virus.
“Those experiences don’t just disappear because Chinese culture is suddenly cool and trendy,” she said.
I really hope my future children can go through school in the west without ever being called "ching chong" or kids do the racist "pull their eyes back" bullshit...
But like... the reality is: Obama being president for 8 years didn't prevent George Floyd from getting murdered by a white cop.
It's APNews, I do not consider it propaganda, quite the contrary: The CCP is flexing their social networks muscle to expand their soft power.
If you block the OP you'll get rid of a huge chunk of it. They're one of the most blatant agenda posters on the Fediverse - they're on track to hit 6,000 posts in their first year, many (most?) of which are puff pieces about China.
I wish I had a great firewall to filter what gets out about my country... Oh wait, no I dont. At least the remnants of our free press will document the genocide against my people. Leftists who believe the USA is as authoritarian as China are propaganda-fucked on par with conservatives.
US is not by any means as authoritarian as China.
To achieve that, the US would need a government that controls mass media, kills people just for protesting, disappearing enemies of the government in remote prison camps with no oversight or accountability, have mass surveillance everywhere, make books illegal, demonstrably suppress all ethnic minorities, threaten religious leaders for speaking ill of the government...
All run by a hardline government that has a strongman leader that people respect and a cabinet full of loyalists with competence in the task they're assigned.
Once the US achieves that last bit, THEN they'll be as authoritarian as China.
It wasn't before, but the USA is currently a fascist dictatorship and it's kinda hard to argue it gets more authoritarian than that. The few freedoms we still have are fading remnants that have yet to be snuffed out. Just because they have yet to build the firewall doesn't mean they won't.
The major difference between the two going forward is whenever or not the state steers the country, or the self interested oligarchs. It's very clear that China's industrial capitalism was more wise for the interests of their empire, while America can't compete so long as oligarchs steer the ship towards short term profits. This isn't to say that China is eternally better than the US, as imperial prosperity ebs and flows.
However, China is the safer bet going forward, especially if we see another red scare as Americans begin to realize that their empire lost. If people get distracted fear mongering about communism, they'll never fix the problems that actually made America fall behind. If I'm right about that, then the US is in for decades of decline.
I doubt the article is correct. In the US, Mexican food is the most popular. What Chinese movies and songs are hits?
This is just another absurdly weird propaganda spread by Tiktok influencers.
Yeeeeep. The idea of swapping one imperialist crusher of human rights for another because of the embarrassment that the US has become is too stupid for anyone other than influencers to bite off on. I hope the next generations become better about seeing through propaganda like this.
Wonder why though... Mainland Chinese are xenophobic cunts, as per party policy.
Their literature/media has to uplift China and/or denigrate any other culture to avoid being censored. And often ends up disconnected from reality in pursuit of mindless ass-kissing.
Are we really that easily susceptible to cults of personality? (It's rethorical, of course we are.)
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