Thanks for finding the words for this fuckery. I’m totally with you on this one. Also, waiting at which point this flashy thing is going to be an abandonware.

Not if you're running an Arch-based distro, like CachyOS. Between CachyOS's Hello app and Octopi, it just works.

Granted, I do use the terminal, but that's because I'm a tinkerer and I want to do unusual things, not just web + games + office suite. For most users, they never need to see the terminal, aside from hitting "q" and "y" when they install or update things a few times.

But i heard pamac ddosed the AUR before.
But thats from like 2022~
And it doesn't support yay/paru.
And i dont like its UX.

It's libadwaita?

Try octotpi

Just clone the repo, chmod +x the install.sh and run that. ez

With most AUR helper there is basically no difference between "yay -Syu package" vs clicking in the GUI. Most ppl probably skip the pkgbuild and so on anyway.

As long as its communicated clewrly, its fine imho.

I'll go further and just say they shouldn't use Arch at all. The "stop being a gatekeeper, I shouldn't need the terminal" to "everything just suddenly broke itself after an update" pipeline is so real.

I straight up just think these tools that simplify the install process or package management shouldn't exist. The difficulty in Arch was never in the install processes. Anybody who can follow the instructions on a box of mac and cheese can eventually stumble through the process to install Arch and use pacman. The challenge was not digging your own grave post-install to the point that you need to wipe and start fresh, an experience basically every Arch user goes through at least once. The problem is that the further you abstract these tools and divest the user from hands-on experience, the less they understand about why it broke.

Basically, these tools don't make the hard parts easier, they make the easy parts easier in a way that leaves new users less equipped to understand the hard parts.

Some mf was on his computer one day and said “You know what would be fire? Phone UI”

We already have KDE Discover, which im pretty sure works for the AUR as well. It could definitely do with some more work to improve pacman support, but I actually like it.

Libadwaita is great; I hate it when more than two buttons fit on-screen at once

I'd be surprised if the majority of folks on arch aren't using tiling WMs.

How do you know that?

It's fine? It's not like libadwaita is great or anything but it's also not like it will completely blow up when running on KDE

If you're dying for a KDE version there's Octopi, though that GUI is more technical

@mactan @costalfy i like this, i never really be in the windows camp. Am more in the midnight commander camp to do thing. Myself coming from the DOS camp.

You could already do this for a while with Pamac (Manjaro's tool), though it is nice to have a fully distro agnostic solution