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[–] 59 points 7 months ago (3 children)

This feels more like a shower rant than a shower thought...

Either way, I'm here for it

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    [–] 46 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2310.13548

    LLMs respond like a sycophant because that's what CEOs expect. They expect to be surrounded by Yes Men and people who compliment them before they give feedback. That's why before you get an answer for a question, some LLMs will sometimes say "that's a great question."

    You'll notice the same thing in Trump's cabinet. No one answers him directly, they provide him with a compliment before they give a response.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    That's interesting..

    I tried a local LLM, & it was sooo .. ideological-against-objectivity ( made me want to puke ) AND so sycophantic, the mixture made me unwilling to tolerate the damn thing on my machine.

    I hadn't understood that it was doing a mixture of ideological-&-sycophantic, but yes, that absolutely-was a dimension in what it was doing..

    Thank you for identifying that current in them..

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    LLMs can easily replace managers and execs over anybody else. Honestly, the first things LLMs replace are scammers. Most execs are scammers too.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I know I’ll probably be downvoted for saying this, but there are a lot of really good managers out there. None of them, however, have a degree in business.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah handling the logistics of coordinating people effort is a real skill. It has absolutely nothing to do with being the "boss," though those two roles are often incorrectly conflated

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I'd still rather have the useless fuckwit manager because at least they're some form of human vs a dumbass chatbot.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago*

    I have this exact situation. Vp runs literally 100% of his thoughts through a chatbot, which has conviced him that all his SMEs that actually do things are idiots. Hes slightly less of an idiot than the rest of his exectuve cohort, and has thus convinced all of them that we are idiots too.

    Not better at all. The chatbot will not consistently fight you when you tell it that its wrong. The chatbot will not relent after being overwhelmed with actual data, then resurface the idea again in 6 weeks, then relent again, then try again in 4 weeks, on and on. I have one project that has been beaten back 5 times now, including having staff quit, hiring new people, and having them agreed it could not be done, and i know its still not over.

    You do not want any form of this.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That's obvious to everyone except OP, who wants to start one ring above workers somehow

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Zero idea what any of that means...

    My point was "managers" aren't "the top" they're literally one level above the bottom

    And anything they're tell the bottom ring to do, is because that's what they were told to say.

    I seem to have overestimated people's work experience or critical thinking tho, loads of people seem to think of front line managers as "the boss".

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Only management would admit to having a machine do their job for them.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago*

    My manager recently said their new AI tool does pretty much his whole job for him. I miss my last manager. Pretty sure it gets worse up the chain.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    If an LLM becomes my boss, I’m going to make it agree to all sorts is outrageous things. Infinite exploits, coming right up!

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    If Andreeson believes that workers can be replaced by AI, why isn't he taking his money and running a bunch of companies with AI C-Suites?

    He has the hardest to get resource, money. Replacing a CEO that makes millions a year with a GPU and a dedicated engineer to maintain it is going to be 300-500k/ year, mostly for the dedicated engineer. A huge cost savings and let's him leverage his money to scale out to a bunch of different companies.

    When he does that, I'll start believing what he says about worker automation.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    No way imagine your boss being an LLM 😭 truly nightmare fuel

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I have observed a strong correlation between managers whose emails are now obviously written by AI and those who have significant shortcomings.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Middle management seems like exactly the kind of jobs that LLMs could actually replace and do a good job at.

    We individual contributors do the actual creative work and make gears of industry turn.

    The owners at the top will want to stay rich and stay in control because obviously being rich means they are "one of the good ones"

    All the layers of hierarchy in between? Their main functions are to filter all the information about their department to send up the chain, or to take the marching orders from above and fill in the details for everybody below them. With some human margin of error. And that's the best case scenario is somebody who actually does their job and does it well.

    Filtering data into summaries, generating new data from simple high-level descriptions, and not doing it "correctly" or "optimally" but "believably?" I think we found the job LLMs were invented to replace!!

    (in reality, I'd much rather see $100,000 salaries go to 100,000 human managers rather than the same $10 Billion be split between tech giants and shareholders, but it's still funny)

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago*

    Upper management and middle management are the same picture.

    All members of management don't do the actual work and the only reason for their existence is to try to get the actual workers to do more stuff for less money.

    So even though we all know that their jobs would be one of the easiest to replace with an LLM, what will happen is management will attempt to replace as many workers with LLMs to justify their "more for less" existence.

    The number of managers won't go down until there's not enough workers making money to buy the goods and services that the companies are selling. But by then we're all screwed.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    middle and upper management and llm are incompetent, but llm would at least not have an ego about it

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Managers would never fire themselves, though.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Looking forward to when A.I. will replace CEOs

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    My SO boss is soo into LLM and I swear this bloke only fights and say the things for worst outcome of the department. He caves on stuff that he should have died on the hill but something trivial not even worth an ok he will drag out with hell fire.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Instead my manager is using AI as a surveillance tool to micro manage me now.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I mean, we'd have the same problems if we did that. Replacing a dumbass with another dumbass isn't a solution to anything.

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