rainbow drones (quokk.au)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/mop
 
A two-panel meme contrasting a superficial view of leftism (opposing right-wing figures like Trump) with a deeper, systemic critique of capitalism and imperialism regardless of their political branding.

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[–] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Let their contempt of trumpian bullshit be a gateway to liberation

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago

    "Um actually"-ing away potential comrades

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  • [+] 44 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago*

    Yes "leftist" is relative to the overton window in your current time and space, but at the same time this argument has been used to co-opt and dilute movements.

    So yeah the democrats for example can call themselves leftists, but no real leftist will take them seriously.

    Additionally you can always use more precise terms to avoid this. Like anarcho-syndicalist, Marxism-Leninist, etc.

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Bullshit divisions like this in the political left are why the right keeps winning.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Ah typical right wingers, always trying to dilute the left until it's a meaningless word used by those who support capitalism.

    The right keep winning, because capitalism owns the systems of power. If you stopped pandering to their whims and started to actually be anti-capitalist, anti-authority, anti-hierarchy, anti-patriarchy you could push for real change instead of begging for scraps of reformist electoral garbage.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Gatekeeping and purity tests certainly won't help

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Oh there’s no gatekeeping or purity tests, we acknowledge all leftists are leftists. It’s why I even acknowledge authleft are leftists despite disagreeing with them.

    Your issue here is you seem to think right wing liberal types are leftists.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Then why push away people like this? Why not show them the light and introduce them to the things that actually make the changes? You can invent someone who “will automatically go back to the right” in your head but that isn’t always the case in reality.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    So uhh, leftists dont even mention that they oppose patriarchy? Sounds about right tbh, atleast from my experience

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It’s an issue of the meme format, it can’t include everything. But generally leftists are against all exploitation and oppression.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Its also in issue in the real world. So many leftists I met were super knowledgeable about anticapitalism and antiimperialism, also put that to practice, but were still misogynistic asshats and cared little for antiracism.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Patriarchal society is an expression of capitalist imperialism thus opposition of capitalism and imperialism inherently opposes patriarchy. It's implied. It doesn't need to be said.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I would argue patriarchy was one of the reasons capitalism was actually able to exist and spread. Plus it also exists in non capitalist societies / contexts.

    It’s implied. It doesn’t need to be said.

    It definitely has to be said. Manarchists, brocialists and in general chauvinist on the left make it necessary. Because it isnt implied.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It’s much older than that, religion is generally extremely patriarchal and predates capitalism.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Yes, religion is another political entity that manifests in patriarchal society. Patriarchal society being an expression of capitalism and imperialism doesn't mean that patriarchal expression cannot come from other sources, only that capitalism and imperialism themselves are inherently patriarchal and thus opposition to them is inherently oppositional to patriarchal society.

    It gets deeper into theory that if one isn't in opposition to patriarchy while saying that they oppose capitalism/imperialism is someone who isn't in actuality opposed to those systems as they still support the mechanisms of social interaction (gender norms and all that) that reinforce those systems but that's, like I said, getting into much deeper political theory that I don't have the books on hand to quote from.

    It's intersectional. These things all play on each other and it gets complicated.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Absolutely crazy to me the original post is essentially gatekeeping “being a leftist” and one of the comments is trying to gatekeep even harder. And we wonder why people laugh at us.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Nothing hurts the left quite like purity tests.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Edit: didn't realize this was an Australian instance.

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