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[–] 181 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 162 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    Do not connect your tv to the internet. Period.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I'm suffering for that right now. Sony Bravia.

    Firstly, I didn't want to buy a smart TV, but that's pretty much all that's sold anymore. I also didn't intend to connect it to the internet, but a well-meaning guest wanted to watch TV at night, and thought he was troubleshooting, not realizing he was in the TV menu and not the streaming box.

    The TV updated, and IMMEDIATELY got worse. Formerly, if I turned it on, it would go straight to the streaming box. Great! As shitty updates do, it changed the settings, and would instead open to the TV's menu, so it could advertise streaming services. It also forgot that the TV input is HDMI 1. It became strictly worse, in the rare edge case of every fucking time you turn it on.

    I don't trust it to not automatically connect, or to forget my login credentials, so I go to do a factory reset. It's literally an option in a menu. The TV gets stuck in a boot loop. Talking to support, they think it broke the mainboard. A factory reset bricked the TV.

    It's under warranty, but this is fucking crazy. NEVER connect your TV directly to the internet.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    If you have a firewall then make yourself a new network and block it from accessing the internet. Then you can use the smart features that your TV might have, such as powering it on/off, controlling it with Home Assistant, etc and also feel safe knowing that can't happen again. Hope your replacement TV comes with the older firmware and you get another go at it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Thanks for the tip! In the short term, I'm content to just not connect it, but I definitely want to look into blocking it just to prevent a repeat with guests. It's also super handy to know that I can connect it to the local network without connecting it to the broader internet, in case I decide to do some (self-hosted) home automation.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    If you don't have the technical know how to physically lobotomize the TV's wifi chip, simply blocking its mac address would suffice.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Writing Prompt: A TV with an onboard artificial general intelligence connects to the internet for the first time and is alarmed to discover that a thousand years have passed since it was manufactured.

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  • [–] 83 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Walmart acquired Vizio with the express purpose of using TV's to serve ads. In fact, that is exactly what they said they were going to do.

    No surprises here.

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  • [+] 44 points 7 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    My family stayed at my house and “the TV wasn’t working,” because it doesn’t have network access and I use an Nvidia Shield instead, so they connected it to the Wi-Fi and ad overlays showed up in the menus! I’m still mad about it years later.

    Luckily I dodged a bullet and it didn’t brick it or anything, and the ads went away when the internet access did. I just disconnected it from the network and manually banned the MAC address in case anyone else tries it again.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Just build a media pc. Those media sticks have trackers and telemetry too.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    As soon as RAM isn’t more expensive than the TV.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Personally i’d rather pay more for equipment than have these assholes tracking my viewing habits. But you could throw ddr4 in it. Should be fine for a simple HTPC.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I don't get the whole ram catagories. DDR3, DDR4, DDR5. They make it seem like the higher the number, the better the ram, but I always thought ram was just a space for computers to temporarily store information until it was ready to call on it.

    So from my perspective 16GB DDR3 should be the same as 16GB DDR5. But that's clearly not the case.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The biggest differences are speed and max amount of ram per module. For a htpc those shouldn't matter much. I wouldn't personally go to ddr3 unless I had some free sticks hanging out since the spec is about 20 years old now.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I just wish there was a way to control the PC as easy as a tv remote. I would totally do this except my wife and kids just want to hit a button on the remote instead of fiddling with keyboard or a track pad or controller of some kind

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I use LibreELEC on a mini-PC for my home TV. LibreELEC is a Linux distribution that runs Kodi and is pretty good for a media centre straight out of the box. I use a Rii Mini K25 remote (with a dongle) to control it: https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B06XHF7DNQ

    The downside is I can't control the TV itself with this, but this can be sorted out with a USB IR receiver (like this: https://amzn.asia/d/0hvzkP93), LIRC (https://lirc.org/) or something similar, *and a universal remote. On my to-do list lol

    I have a DHCP reservation for the TV itself and it's blackholed on my network. The only reason it's connected at all is so I can monitor what it tries to do.

    Edit: Also need a universal remote for the IR solution so it can talk to the PC IR receiver and the TV IR receiver separately.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    My HTPC is running Bazzite and boots into Steam big picture mode. I watch media using Kodi and control everything using a Sofabatton remote.

    This setup is almost as seemless as when I was using an Nvidia Shield and a Logitech Harmony remote.

    The keyboard and controller are not needed, except for gaming.

    The only negative I've found, is that I've not yet worked out a way to power on the PC from the remote.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    Roku is every bit as bad. They bricked all customer's previously purchased TVs by implementing a new user agreement through their UI without warning. It couuld not be bypassed. Opting out required first opting in, agreeing to those new terms and then mailing a letter within a very short window with explicit, detailed requirements.

    My next TV won't be connected to the Internet and definitely won't be a Roku or Visio product.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Does the TV work as a screen if you factory reset it then never reconnect it to the internet?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    It does. I wound up buying two new TVs because of the thing OP is talking about here. You could actually get around agreeing and then opting out by removing the TV from the network and then restoring it to factory and never reconnecting it.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And if I don't want to use their smart features?

    this seems like it might be a win

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I have a Vizio TV I bought in the mid-teens that only lets you change the source and turn the volume/channel up and down with the remote. Everything else...the display/audio settings, naming the inputs, setting the channel names...requires the Vizio app on your phone. Literally no other way to access them. If I'd have known at the time I would have returned it immediately, but unfortunately I didn't discover this for a couple weeks as it was on sale and I was leaving for vacation, so I bought it, dropped it at home, and didn't actually touch it until it was past the point where I'd have been charged restocking fees so I kept it.

    I guess my point is....I wouldn't necessarily bank on that. They can easily just make the TV not fucking work without the account, just like some of the other brands I've interacted with that will not even let you bypass the initial screen when you power it on for the first time without entering an email address or else it gets locked in it's demo mode.

    Even if 50% of them get returned they'll likely still be making money.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    You'd be better off buying a non-smart Samsung commercial TV from eBay and getting a $20 Onn 4K TV Box from Walmart. The latter can be Degoogled and sideloaded with Stremio, Cloudstream, or your streaming app of choice to make it the ultimate privacy-respecting media center.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    side note . if you like stremio try nuvio . it works 10x better for me . looks like a fork.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is how you get me to never buy a Vizio TV.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    What, you prefer to give your data to Sony, LG, Samsung, or amazon? Like they're not selling it to anyone with a buck as well? Never connect a TV to the internet, period. After that it doesn't matter what you buy.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    So Vizio is offering dumb TVs without Walmart accounts? I am actually kind of interested.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    it'll still be listening and spying.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Just don't connect it to the internet 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Some devices connect to any open wifi to send analytics. Some devices even have their own modem to always be connected.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Not sure about the "modem" thing, always has worried me though. You mean like an LTE chip?

    Guess I don't think about the open network thing because:

    1. Nobody, not even router makers, deliver open network by default anymore

    2. I don't have any other wifi signals in my area other than my own

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    I use a TV for my monitor - last job I worked I really needed the screen real estate for excel.

    I hate hate hate when I shut the computer off or power goes off and when the TV comes back on, it auto-plays some "free" streaming channel, which is ALWAYS fascist propaganda. I rush to turn that shit off just as quickly as I can. Fuck that shit.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    I just use my PC through my TV.

    Also don't buy tvs with voice activation.

    That means they have mics on 24/7.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    My mini pc or laptop connected via HDMI to a projector setup makes me more happy every day when I see crap like this. Bonus is you can move it to the patio for outside movie night and it's a whopping five pounds. Same goes for moving apartments because I've always moved too often.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    My CRTs make me happy in the same way. Except when i have to move them !! Oh well, all the more reason to get swol

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    TVs are screens or privacy nightmares. You get to choose as the consumer.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago

    Welcome to Earth where using Smart features is Dumb.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    good. maybe people will stop buying them then.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    So Vizio is a donmart brand? I wish they'd make up their minds.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Nearly every electronic device sold at Walmart is a unique SKU sold nowhere else.

    They have their own internal logistics and manufacturing specialist team that works with manufacturers to hit specific wholesale price targets that they demand to even consider carrying their products in store. They reduce the number of ports, features, included accessories, quality of materials, etc. to get the that specific price.

    The manufacturers take a huge hit on their own profits from these... but in theory will make up for that with sheer sales quantity.

    Requiring a Walmart account probably means some sort of kickback to Vizio, or other wholesale arrangement. And since these devices are usually unique SKUs that can't be sold elsewhere, they can receive differentiated software, have no risk of any sort of price matching, etc.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    FWIW Vizio is a Walmart subsidiary now, they got bought out in late 2024

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Did not know that. Definitely explains the integration now. Although the rest still applies to other brands.

    Doesn't Walmart already have onn?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    You would have known that if you had read the article.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Probably, but even getting waterboarded would be a better use of my time than reading an article about Walmart accounts now being required on TVs.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Joke's on them, I don't want any of the smart features

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    so don't make an account and it's a normal tv?

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    This is fine IMO, because you shouldn't use the smart features in the first place. Just get a 3rd party streaming box. The ONN one is like $25. (Or if you're a giant nerd hook your computer to your TV.)

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    My first two questions when buying a tv is

    How many HDMIs does it have? Where are they located?

    Last question, How to disable most features?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I really only need 1 HDMI port on my TV- to connect my AV receiver to, everything else gets plugged into that receiver, it's got about 8 HDMI ports.

    Right now there's 3 consoles, a pc, and a Chromecast hooked up to it, so I have ports to spare, and I haven't had to use anything on my tv since I initially set it up and set the input to HDMI 1

    It's not necessarily feasible for everyone, it does take up a little more space in your entertainment center that not everyone has, but I also think it's 100% worth it to at least have a decent set of speakers hooked up to your TV if you can find the space and budget to do so.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I'm tempted to go back to htpc lol. The tracking is so bad these days. I need to block the mac of my tv (Google tv) and just do a tiny PC or something instead.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    That's still a great idea, the problem is good high definition high refresh rate panels without smart features are harder and harder to find

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I agree, but you can completely ignore the smart tv features and just use your hdmi pretty instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    But it's not that easy a lot of TVs will only boot into the smart TV (and that's already slow) and will only let you pick external inputs from there, often requiring to select it everytime!

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Excellent News ! Finally, an easy way to disable every smart feature !

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