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[–] 75 points 7 months ago (12 children)

This is why Apple users pay more to not use Google stuff…

Fuck this.

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    Yes these ads suck, but they are not targeted ads based on your entire history of personal data which is google's entire business. these are ads shown based on your current location in the maps app. theoretically everyone in your vicinity is getting the same map ads.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    doubt

    also, fuck ads. people are trying to find destinations, not be sold trash from some shitty corporation like mcdonalds or whatever. don't care the purpose, or the reasoning.. if there's ads, it's bought and paid for by some jackoff corp that can rightfully fuck off to high hell.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    yes I agree, fuck ads, but fuck targeted ads even harder. The point is if you're deliberating between apple and Google based on the ads, apple is still not as bad as google. it's not a binary ads vs no ads issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    If you’re deliberating between Apple Maps and Google Maps, the only advantage Apple ever had was the lack of ads. Apple’s data is worse, routing is worse, navigation UI is worse (which of the lanes should you be in right now for your next turn), etc. It’s astounding that Apple would enshittify this right now when they’re not even close to being a decent replacement for the primary competition.

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  • [–] 142 points 7 months ago (18 children)

    There's room for you at Comaps! It's nice and it works on iOS, FOSS

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  • [–] 69 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

    I love Comaps. I have it installed on my Android phone. I contribute to OpenStreet maps when I can.

    But, I don't think Comaps is a realistic replacement for Apple or Google maps.

    One: OpenStreet maps is missing a toooon of locations, businesses and residential addresses. Two: having the enter the address in a non-standard way (for the US) City, Street, Building Number, makes finding things even harder. That's gonna instantly turn away 99% of people.

    I still begrudgingly have Google maps installed on my phone... :(

    I also have HERE Maps installed on my phone. It's way more usable than Comaps and it's not Google. But, it's not FOSS and still owned by a big corporation. But at least it's not (entirely) owned by the US (Magic Earth is). For me, I think HERE maps is a decent step away from Google.

    I'll still keep contributing to OpenStreet maps, hoping one day I can switch to Comaps.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago

    I think at this point in my life I've added enough to my home town that I'm comfortable using it as my main map program, I also admit to having here maps as a backup, but I haven't used it in a minute

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I love Comaps. I have it installed on my Android phone. I contribute to OpenStreet maps when I can.

    are the two related?

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Comaps, OSM And, and other apps use OpenStreet maps as their data source, sometimes as their only data source. So if the data isn't in OpenStreet maps, it's not gonna be in Comaps. Comaps is basically a frontend for OpenStreet map data.

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  • Two: having the enter the address in a non-standard way (for the US) City, Street, Building Number, makes finding things even harder.

    THAT'S why i always struggled to look up buildings on Comaps! Hell, I wondered why the sesrch was so hard!

    My main issue is the lack of traffic data. I wish I didn't live in a car-centric society, but i do, so I need to know if the route I'm taking is going to be shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I read that the one of the differences between Organic Maps and CoMaps is that the server side code for CoMaps is FOSS, while some of the server side code for Organic Maps is not. I hope I understood that correctly. I have Organic Maps installed because it was in the GrapheneOS app store.

    If CoMaps has open server-side code, could I create my own map tiles with the best bike routes in my area and self-host them for myself and my friends? I find that google, bing, OpenStreetMap, etc all suck at recognizing good bike routes in my area and hand-curated routes are much better. I'd prefer to hand-curate the best routes color coded based on perceived safety and whether they are daytime only routes or acceptable for nighttime travel. Is something like this doable with CoMaps?

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I use OsmAnd which I think is also really good. I've heard nothing but good things about CoMaps too, like you said, which is a (seemingly well-justified) fork of Organic Maps.

    If anyone's curious about contributing to OpenStreetMap too to make the maps in your area better, I know a bit, and I'd be happy to answer questions, even if they're just random curiosities. It's a lot of fun.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    How does one define and name an area?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    Depends heavily on the editor you're using. Editor-agnostic, however, is that under the hood, everything uses "tags", which are effectively key–value pairs that the broader editing community has agreed mean something.

    In most editors, you'll draw the area in a sort of free-form connect-the-dots, and you'll have a created a blank area once you close the loop (under the hood, this is defined by the placeholder area=yes tag, but seriously don't worry about directly changing tags unless you're experienced; just let the editor give you a list of items to choose from).

    Next, select the area, and your editor should present you with some way to search for what you want. Once you click that, the editor will apply the corresponding tags under the hood and will likely give you a list of properties you can change (for example, if you create a fast food restaurant, it might let you decide if it has a drive thru or not).

    I'll be able to give something a lot more specific once I know the editor, since UIs vary heavily. (Note which I didn't know at first myself: if you went to OpenStreetMap's website, made an account, and clicked "Edit", then you're using the iD editor.)

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I thought this was a joke ad for a dev convention. Come on over and build something great at Comap(p)s 2026! We have a friendly competition where the team who builds the most feature-rich app all get programmer socks!

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  • [–] 68 points 7 months ago

    That article slurps Apple’s nutsac for having such a great moneymaking idea! Fuck ads. Tired of everything being a vessel for marketing.

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  • [–] 46 points 7 months ago

    Wow they haven't even made it good enough for me to use yet and they are already enshittifying it?

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    A little confused, is this basically the same thing as Open Street Maps, just in app form?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    Yep it uses a selection of the most important data from OSM because the entire thing would be too huge to keep on your phone. You download the map in sections so region/city based but you can also just get an entire country which will be a few GB.

    It can import/export bookmarks and record and import gpx tracks. Has TTS support and you can even edit things (like opening hours and stuff) if you have an OSM account.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I’ve looked at apps like these and weirdly it’s just map you can search through. There’s no turn by turn directions.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    It very much has routing, route saving, turn by turn instructions, voice instructions and more. Idk what you mean.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I couldn’t get it to work. Is it only in Europe that works?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    I dont use apple devices so i cant test it, but i thought it would be identical to the android experience.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    I tried 4 of these damn things over the past few days 2 were ad filled nonsense. This looks like a reskin of something else I tried. It doesn’t have turn by turn.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Are you sure you are using the app that i linked to? Because you can clearly see in the screenshots on the app store that it has turn by turn instructions.

    Comaps is a fork of organic maps but neither has ads and they are basically identical feature wise.

    Turn by turn only works when you have location turned on of course.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Okay don’t turns out I had to download the maps first and then it kinda works. Voice selection isn’t working right but will likely be fixed eventually. I just need to get used to it. Thanks.

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  • [+] 33 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You can trade your iPhone with an Android user who figured if Google is going to force developer certifications for installing apps then there is no point in using Android over iPhone and they might as well switch.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    Time to dust off my old folded paper maps.

    I can sell some of the duplicates I have. I'm gonna be RICH!

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    You can buy up to date ones at the gas station still

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    What a piece of crap, this thing didn't warn me about the bridge being closed and jammed up because of a car fire. Stupid paper...

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    how ever did people live and get around before the mobile spy tracking hardware was in everyone's pockets.

    shocker, your time isn't really as valuable as you think it is..

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I left on a trip to San Francisco and forgot my STREET maps but I did have an aviation map so I used that.

    It did NOT have the freeway numbers marked. I got there looking for water towers and radio towers and bodies of water. I managed OK.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I am willing to bet there is still a radio in your vehicle, and very likely a local news station with traffic and weather reports.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Nah fuck that shit. If I have to, I’ll whip out the ole Garmin and upload the latest maps to that bitch and go.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Dude someone mentioned this the other day and I pretty mu h went all in on Garmin GPS since then.

    I want to use comaps and organic maps and magic earth and all that but they just don't work well for me but the Garmin is on point.

    Plus they say they don't sell your data. But even if that's a lie I bought it used off Craigslist so its "Johns" data now.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Back to the basics: Start carrying a yellow pages book with you so that you can find addresses of various businesses. If you need restaurant descriptions, you need one of those tourist guide books too.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I prefer Apple Maps because it’s not ad laden but the coverage for businesses simply isn’t there, and it is pretty aggressive about populating businesses that don’t really exist (ie the business registration not the place of business, if they have one eg Plumber who doesn’t have a shop), don’t exist in the category (eg a factory isn’t a retail establishment), or just plain don’t exist. It also likes to ignore the actual road name for directions; instead of “take the exit towards A361 Burford Rd”, it says “take the exit to Diddly Squat Market” because some street view scanner picked up a sign and chose the wrong one.

    If they start pushing ads, Google wins in “find me dinner nearby”.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    My one deal breaker that keeps me on gmaps over Apple is the forced yelp integration. I refuse to install yelp and to get any meaningful information it tries to open the app.

    Gmaps has a way better UX imo.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    the difference with google is they're collecting and montetizing all that data on you whereas apple is doing non-targeted ads.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    How’s their route algorithms? Never used it for navigation

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    OSMAnd+ is a good app. Using openmaps. You often Ned the address of where you are going since place searches of businesses may no come up. But the navigation has been good.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I have observed no issues. Every once in a while, when choosing large targets like an airport, it's hard to chose the right "destination" from the many available as the labels don't always have all details.

    Other than that, no issues whatsoever.

    PS: to put it in context, I am a casual user who basically never remembers street names or directions so I use it often but it's not like I am an Uber driver

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "Apple cares about your privacy"

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  • [+] 17 points 7 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I'm not even an apple user but i use their maps as an alternative to gmaps on ddg.

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  • [+] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I throw a lot of shit at Google but Google Maps is the best piece of software they have ever created

    Agreed but that is not really saying much considering Google's resources and how often the fuck everything up

    because there ain’t no way I am going out to volunteer for free to map out my neighbourhood accurately.

    because you enjoy corporate oversight and ads? or because you don't see the benefit to you personally?

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  • [+] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The incentive simply isn’t their for anyone when there is already a perfectly working solution—as much as I hate to say—from Google

    So you enjoy corporate oversight and ads? or at least they don't bother you enough to seek alternatives?. It's not political, I am spelling out what you seem to be trying to avoid saying.

    I wish OSM and the maps & navigation apps using it were more popular and better but they aren’t simply because they don’t have dedicated teams.

    But you don't wish it enough to contribute in any way...

    Google Maps also get contributions from the community (which is much larger than OSM). So google benefits from volunteer contributions as well as their own teams mapping stuff around the world which OSM can never match. It isn’t something like Search, Drive or Photos that can be replaced by a community driven FOSS alternative. It requires huge funding.

    I think you are just doubling down on this to convince yourself that it is not that you are being selfish here, you are just being smart by not choosing a losing battle you made up in your head.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Surely this time their famous design standards will be applied to their UX.

    Surely.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I mean… maps has been kinda shitty for years!

    It’s still better than Wayze trying to sell you burgers and fries at every stop sign… but you need to tap the search box like 3 fucking times to input shit, and why is that? So you have ample opportunity to see Crapple’s list of “suggestions….“

    And have you noticed that you need to zoom down to AntMan scale to see the names of some businesses in a shopping center, and yet others are virtually visible from orbit? Could it be that businesses that pay Apple stick out like a sore thumb, and business that don’t virtually disappear? Nah… Fucking Apphole behavior.

    It’s time to face facts, Apple stopped giving a shit about the customer years ago. Before their headquarters was literally a Bond villain’s donut you could drive through their parking lot and it was a sea of shitty rust buckets, executive parking lot underground.

    I was giving serious consideration to going Android again rather then buying a 2K+ tablet… but then I need to buy a new watch and phone at the same time to have a slim chance of interoperability so it’s basically a wash.

    Fuck Apple.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Like apple maps doesn't suck enough already?

    I wish it was better because that's the map DDG pulls up in search. Wonder if those ads are going to show in DDG sesrches now.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    It’s already been working like garbage lately. Wonder if this is related.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    This was the only reason I used it.

    On to the next!

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    Serves anyone using that garbage right.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Ive got a work iPad. There are ads in the calculator (plus a paid upgrade for like the smart pencil scribble math upgrade. Imagine paying $700 AUD for the cheapest iPad here in AUS, for a subscription fee for the calculator)

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    why,espeically iphones are expensive as hell.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I use Naver maps because I'm in Korea and they've kept out the competition until now. They already introduced ads some time back. It's infuriating.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago

    Honestly, if I want to find a local bicycle shop, and apple maps can help me find one without being obnoxious, then im okay with it as long as they don't share any data about me with the bicycle shop. I want to shop locally and support my local businesses, rather than shop online.

    "Stuffing ads into the Maps app" makes it sound evil, even if we have no idea how it's going to look.

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