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[–] 60 points 7 months ago

One ATC at LaGuardia. Insanity.

ATC may have made a mistake here but the failure is clearly understaffing.

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Air Canada should cease all US operations. The US is unsafe.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    So it was either a lapse with the ATC or the driver of the firetruck didn’t have clearance to cross.

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  • [–] 80 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    ATC gave the go ahead for the truck and then seconds later said stop (ten times). The ATC later said they messed up. It’s a high stress job and I feel sorry for them; they made a mistake and will live with the guilt for their life.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, that sucks. This was the best audio i could find of ATC (sorry for IG link) and seems like they immediately realized the fuck up, but the truck kept going.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Even if you have clearance you should probably still double check. I wanna be clear and say I'm not blaming the driver, I'm just saying that you put a lot of trust into ATC but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have your own checks. I'm just saying this as advice to anyone that works a dangerous job.

    When I took classes on OSHA and MSHA the teacher would always go through incident reports and fatalities whenever certain things come up. 8/10 times those involved in fatalities were those with years or even decades of experience. When you get too comfortable with your routine you get complacent. We all do it. Even when our job isn't high stress or dangerous. It's a good idea to remind yourself every now and again to pay attention and not get too comfortable.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    You know I’d probably check left, right before crossing an intersection, but I’m not sure I’d check up.

    ~~The plane was reportedly doing about 40kph ~~; I think that would suggest to me that it was already on the ground when the truck started crossing. Perhaps that’s why the ATC forgot about it.

    New reports say 100mph.

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  • [–] 51 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    ATC gave clearance, and then immediately realized and told them to stop like 10 times.

    That being said, any vehicle crossing the runway is required to verify physical clearance before crossing active runways for this exact reason.

    A landing plane is bright as fuck, even after they're on the ground. Those landing lights are like little suns because of what they need to illuminate for the aircraft at a distance.

    That driver clearly didn't even attempt to check the runway before heading out.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Yeah... ATC fucked up but the truck driver did NOT look both ways before crossing the street.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I've driven around air side at an airport a couple of times, it's not always immediately obvious if there's a plane landing even during the day, especially If you aren't particularly familiar with aircraft, even during the day.

    This was at night, the driver was given the all clear, and there was an emergency they needed to get to quickly. So even if the driver looked to see if it were clear, being dark, all he would see is a bunch of lights in the sky. It would have needed more than a quick glance to see if the lights were of a landing plane or a plane that was just taking off, or even lights from a plane at all.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Worst five seconds of those pilots lives

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Such a shame, not much those pilots could have done.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    The pilot slammed the brakes, likely saving hundreds of lives. There was a woman on the cockpit jumpseat who was ejected 320 feet in front of the cockpit and she survived. You can see it.

    This is 100% on Elon Musk and BigBalls.

    Also.. what genius makes a video of a screen in portrait mode?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I'm otl. What does this have to do with musk, and who is bigballs? Did musk make atc cuts or something?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    did you miss 2025? Guy pissing himself on ketamine doing gods work?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm aware of who musk is. Maybe I missed the year or deleted from my memory, but I'm asking what he has to do with this horrific accident since you blame him and "bigballs", who you still haven't answered who that is... Is musk bigballs?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Big ball’s is the pen name of one of musks employees during the DOGE days of tearing apart the government. The reason this can be attributed to him is because he fired a large chunk of various branches of government including air traffic controllers. Some got hired back but let’s be real, ATCs were already understaffed before musk.

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    [–] 39 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    So many things went wrong. The ATC will be the administration's scapegoat, but the issue is chronic underfunding and overworking of the staff. This controller was dealing with all this at 3am, by themselves managing both ground and air frequencies at a massive international airport...

    ATCs need to go on strike again or something. Let's see ICE bums try to manage airport traffic.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    You would think for a job where simple mistakes like this costs lives, they would want ATCs to be properly rested and alert

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Lmao... safety is a cost center.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    So is paying for new planes, buses, any financial penalty for liability, and the negative press

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Right, but you're not thinking like a MBA.

    It hasn't happened yet, historical trends suggest it won't happen, and more importantly, that's perfectly good profit going out the window. The shareholders will be pleased to know that we reduced operating costs by 10% this quarter, and I'll reach the target for my bonus.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    My bad, I only have my BBA

    Contingency plans are very important for any industry with a chance of catastrophic events. There are certainly people who love to cut corners. But it isn't generally going to be good for your career to be known as the person who cuts corners and makes their organization the center of an ethical scandal. Or, it swings the other way and you fail upwards until you are the POTUS.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago*

    I was being sarcastic by the way.

    Anyone with a shred of humility and critical thinking skills should realize that cutting corners to chase short term profit is being "penny wise, pound foolish".

    For the well-connected, that doesn't seem to be necessary to fail upwards into leadership positions, unfortunately. Even ignoring the glaring orange example, there are people like John Riccitiello who managed to skull-fuck the reputations of both EA and Unity and still walk away with a new job lined up.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Remember when a single commercial airliner crash in a year was a huge scandal for a government?

    Thank mr skeltal

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