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[–] 115 points 7 months ago
[–] 99 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Robots solve inequality in a social, humane society. Not in Capitalism. Capitalism is based on inequality, it cannot survive without oppression.

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  • [+] 38 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    Slavery is oppression so they’re still right, and oppression includes more things than just slavery which is more true. Capitalism is designed to give power to money, not equal power to people. It doesn’t even serve as a way to give a louder voice to those who work hard because it’s about having money and not about how said money was made.

    So, yes, but you’ve made the comment less accurate.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    You've just spent the night sleeping face-down in a plate of synth-spaghetti in a bar called the Chatsubo. After rubbing the sauce out of your eyes, you can see Chiba sky through the window, the color of television tuned to a dead channel. Ratz's prosthetic Russian arm whines as he wipes the bar. "I don't care if you eat that spaghetti or sleep in it, you still gotta pay for it. 46 credits. Pay up, cyberscum." "Sorry Ratz. I can't afford it. Want me to give it back?" "You're under arrest, citizen, for not paying your tab." "You find yourself in a Justice booth. On the wall monitor in front of you if the huge image of a frowning Compu-Judge. On the smaller monitor is there serious face of a Compu-Lawyer "You have been charged with a serious crime, citizen. I will be your Judge. Due to the serious nature of your crime, there can only be one verdict... Guilty. You must remain in Chiba City. A fine of 500 credits will be deducted from your bank account."

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    CEOs and owners hate payroll, it's their biggest "expense" and many would eliminate all employees the second they are able to.

    The board would be very happy to have that expense removed; a perfect capitalist company needs no employees, just robots.

    At least we'll get to see the CEOs bitch, they're quite an expense on their own and will also be replaced.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    where will they get the profits without customers though? If all companies got what they wanted and replaced employees with robots, people wouldnt have jobs and couldnt afford to buy anything. Do the rich have endgame for that scenario? Can't see them caring to use humans as slaves either, why bother when they got robots already.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    you don't need profits anymore when you have robotic slaves. you need profits to pay people to do the work you want to be done for you. if you have robots doing everything to keep a large estate running for you with all necessities and complete automation, what do you need more humans or profit for? If you need a door replaced you send a robot to make a new one, you don't need a complete carpentry industry.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    That's a problem for another quarter, their priorities are profits NOW.

    They don't need an end game; let's say everything you described as come to pass; they and their families will be on their islands and in underground bunkers with their piles of riches to recline upon (like a dragon), and we will be up top eating each other.

    That's their worst case scenario and they are fine with it, their robots will serve them for all eternity.

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    In my town the children fuck with these to learn to fuck with waymos when they grow up. Trapping them with signs is funny and you can't get in trouble, bashing/stripping them is cooler but they're expensive enough that pretty much any damage is a "felony" so watch out for that

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    There have to be trackers on it, so if you take it home to dissect it, they'll be crashing through your door pretty soon. That robot is owned by a big corporation, and has more rights than you.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    The pros used to use foil lined vans for stripping scooters, imagine they're still at it. The kids smash n dash with the batteries like pheasant hunters just pulling the breasts and put them in their ebikes to get away even faster next time

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Robots can pick up corpses of the formerly homeless without feeling bad about it.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    So has anyone broken into one of these things for food yet or no? Because I could definitely see a particularly hungry crackhead with a pry bar cracking one open like a kinder surprise egg.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I saw a video of a group of guys beating the shit out of one, screaming "No Clankers!"

    Attacking robots is going to become a thing.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Remember cow tipping? That possibly urban myth about farmer's kids pushing over sleeping cows? I was just thinking about that for some reason. Seems like good viral video content, I mean if it were true.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    Probably one of the reasons you see these little robots far more often in the online shitpost section than the real world.

    NYT had a whole article about stochastic violence aimed at robots

    https://archive.is/6s5k6

    A hitchhiking robot was beheaded in Philadelphia. A security robot was punched to the ground in Silicon Valley. Another security bot, in San Francisco, was covered in a tarp and smeared with barbecue sauce.

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    The comedian Aristotle Georgeson has found that videos of people physically aggressing robots are among the most popular he posts on Instagram under the pseudonym Blake Webber. And much of the feedback he gets tends to reflect the fear of robot uprisings.

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    Dozens of vigilantes have thrown rocks at driverless cars in Arizona, for example, and incident reports from San Francisco suggest that human drivers are intentionally crashing into driverless cars.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    The more we do this, the more their tech bro owners will push for allowing these things to defend themselves. Image that little bot in OP’s pic armed with a taser.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    A taser can be defeated with cotton and leather layering. Unless they're willing to strap a viable arc weilder to one then there are ways around that, if they do strap an arc weilder to one then free arc weilder.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    A taser can be defeated with cotton and leather layering

    I can’t wait to walk around daily in my Skyrim armor so I can level up on the pizza delivery bots.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Robots that automate food and medical care production and that are open source will make capitalism obsolete. Not robots in general.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Robots will solve wealth equality...

    Yeah, we'll all be equally poor.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Until robots can drive revenue for corporations by spending actual real dollars, everyone being poor is a bad thing.

    Capitalism used to be about getting move money, improving previous things, and making more money. Now it's just about the next quarter.

    Eventually that next quarter won't go up. Because not enough actual humans can afford to make line go up. Companies will lay off more people and there will be even more people who don't make line go up.

    Capitalism has a hard end. Not a soft one. Eventually there just is not enough money for every day people to make money. When you funnel all of it into the top 1%, unless you're just trading money back and forth or hording it while the world burns... What happens after the latter? What happens to the multiple multi-trillionaires who all of a sudden can't find plumbers to fix their mansions, pilots to fly their planes, or chefs to cook the famine they created?

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    I submit that we reached that point long ago. I remember working for a record company in the 90s, and being to go talk to my closest retail buyers, and try to get them to buy a pallette of some slow moving title, telling them that they don't even need to crack it open, just stick it in a corner, and I'll authorize the return next month. And that happened regularly.

    Now we're at a point where they are doing all sorts of crazy things to keep the numbers looking good. We've blown past all the normal markers like efficient experts, layoffs, downsizing, shrinkflation, lobbying, literal fraud, and now they're pinning their hopes on replacing asich of the human workforce as possible.

    They aren't looking forward to an America with 60% permanent unemployment rate, or even the next quarter, they are trying to keep the Dow up for the week.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    I love how distopian cyberpunk the reality has become. We're living a fantasy!

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "Robots will replace all jobs and work for us!" -- Who realistically thought they would be in the "us" here?

    Robots belong to companies owned by shareholders, but mostly oligarchs. In their view, when robots work for "them", human population has been culled with 99.9% of the population died by starvation and/or stopped reproducing, and the 0.1% billionaire families survivors enjoy a cosy life where robots do everything.

    Until the system crashes and none of these idiots know how to fix anything.

    That's one more human extinction scenario to the list…

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    Goddamn clankers

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    I think robots can help, but it requires laws, overhauled society, and a twist on things. Instead of companies owning many individual robots, such as shelf stockers, cleanup bots, and food handlers, individual people own a single robot. This robot is loaned out to companies, but service can be retracted by the human owner.

    That sort of requirement would make it so that companies can't become automated fiefdoms of an individual will, as they have to get robotic labor from ordinary people.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    IMO, the United States is speedrunning the conditions needed to upset the apple cart. As such, much of my focus when making suggestions is the assumption that society would have a serious redefinition of how the economy is supposed to work.

    To that end, I think UBI socialism could pair with capitalism, but in specific ways. UBI providing free necessities, while capitalism offers luxuries. For example, UBI allowing anyone to own a single generic car in one color, with a set feature list. Luxury cars have to compete against the free basic government car, by offering creature comforts, aesthetics, size, and so forth.

    Capitalism is great at offering interesting stuff for a person. But it is fundamentally unfit at ensuring the wellbeing of people. Money should be used solely used for buying lifestyle, while everything fundamental to a decent life is freely given. Free fuel, free food, free basic lodgings, free utilities, free healthcare, free basic supplies, free childcare, free generic clothing, ect.

    It is the bandages decorated with children's cartoons, fashionable clothing, fancy christmas lights, and so forth that people have to spend money on.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It requires a planned socialized economy so that the robots are programmed to help the masses, not programmed to help protect the private property and endless enrichment of the capitalist class.

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    [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Shit is devolving faster than I thought...

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Robots will solve inequality because once the military is fully automated, the 1% will murder everyone they dont want to have sex with.

    Hope youre hotter then a 8.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why are people still using Twitter?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    If you're poor enough to need to pay for pizza in installments, you don't need to get it delivered to your doorstep. Walk out and get it.

    (Unless it's too dangerous to walk the streets in the US now idk)

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    walking to get a pizza only works for maybe 2% of statesians, and those areas have costs of living that functionally prevent the poor from living there. do you suggest the actually poor statesians do? their butlers won't grab it for them

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    These things go hand in hand, the biggest reason to pay the large premium on prepared food is that it solves logistical problems, which you will likely have more of if you suffer from poverty. I started the dough to make pizza half an hour ago which is going to end up as several very inexpensive meals, but I had a childhood where I was shown how to make pizza, I have a kitchen to myself, a relaxed day where I have plenty of time and energy to prepare food, and enough financial stability and space for planning to buy all the ingredients at once in advance in bulk quantities. I've known people who went into debt to buy pizza, and they lacked all of these things.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Much cheaper to make your own pizza. Gone for years without ordering a takeaway as I don't really see the appeal of them. Overpriced food that will probably give you cancer? Pass.

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    [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Don't let it bring you down It's only castles burning Find someone who's turning And you ARE ON THE FASTEST ROUTE.

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