Back in the day, Apple had to tweak the shuffle feature on iTunes because truly random wasn't random enough for people. It seems incomprehensible to some that a random playlist would play the same song twice in a row. People should roll a die more often.
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To be fair, I've caught spotify giving me the same shuffle order several times. If i stop a playlist and start it later in the day it will sometimes give me 10 or so songs in the exact order I'd already heard them. It does the same if i search a song and let shuffle fill it in the rest, the next fews songs are usually predictable. My most used playlist has nearly 70hrs of music so i suspect this is some algorithm error or bug.
Spotify shuffle has been awful for a very long time. I've had the same experience more times than I can count (shuffling the Playlist gives you the same order for the first 10-20 songs). I've also noticed in my case that if I have a very long Playlist (like 300+ songs), I never hear anything but the same 70 or so. I have my theories but I can't prove anything
They use some special shuffle algorithm that (they claim) weighs the songs based on how recently they were played, but you can change it in settings somewhere for true random
Yeah but even when you do that, the shuffle is still garbage. What i think is happening is that they're loading the first X entries in the Playlist and passing that to the (bad) shuffle algorithm instead of passing the whole Playlist first. Then when it gets towards the end of X, it does the same thing with the next chunk. I can't imagine that it saves that much money but it tracks with both what I see and the general trends of enshitification
Part of my theory is my very specific tastes have strong armed the algorithm. I have a playlist with every genre i listen to in it and I abuse the shuffle button until something comes on that fits my current vibe.
It does this for me with every song I've played from the playlist so far. If I'm on a long drive, listening to the same playlist for an hour, and I like a song, add it to the playlist, or play a different song and go back to the playlist, the whole thing starts over at the beginning again and I have an hour of songs to skip through.
I really wish a platform would come out with a "I like this song, but not so much that I want to hear it everyday, maybe play it once a month or so" button
I don’t know if this will help you but I throw everything I scribble into a “Liked” playlist and remove it into a “Tired of it” playlist when it meets the criteria you describe. Then every 6-9 months or so I think to sweep through that playlist and move some stuff back lol.
It’s obviously a hacky solution but it makes me feel better.
True random doesn't feel like random to people, like the other commenter said.
But there is selection bias involved as well. You don't register the amount of time it plays the 'correct' music, but the wedding tracks really stand out.
One thing that's been pissing me off lately on YouTube Music is that it's been changing the upcoming songs AND THE PREVIOUS ONES in a random mix.
Not to mention it's also been just losing the previous played songs as a whole at random.
This is infuriating as sometime you just gotta play the song a few times and then BAM it loses everything. Or I'll change the order of the next few songs and then BAM, completely different songs in the queue.
On regular YouTube, the fact that they automatically make anything with music into a mix-playlist also isn't great.
A lot of the time, I just want to listen to one track of something, and end up having to strip out the playlist argument from the actual link because I don't want to get everything similar to it.
I like to set random on my Navidrome instance, but that also includes my ost albums, which I don't want.
It's not that I'm lazy to remove them, it's just that I can't. I like listening to those, just not in my random queue
Its not random and they are honest about that. Because true randomness leads to occurrences were people think it can't be random. Funny video about it :
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OdLyKETk5o0&pp=ygUcc3BvdGlmeSBzaHVmZmxlIGlzbid0IHJhbmRvbQ%3D%3D
Couldn't they just make it completely random without repeats until all songs are played or something?
Having multiple songs by the same artist play after each other, or the same music style is also perceived as not random.
And once you factor in that, you are at what Spotify is doing now.
Then it's per definition not completely random.
It is. It's just a different kind of random
Choose a random song from the kist each time VS Make a truly random ordering of the given playlist
It's a different kind of random, one which is very much not completely random.
It's better for it to not be completely random though.
I was thinking more like "remove a random thing from a group" than "point at a random thing from a group"
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