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[–] 107 points 8 months ago

Oh no the consequences of my actions!

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  • [–] 97 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Are we supposed to feel sorry for them now?

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    [–] 62 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Wow, they didn't stop to check that before starting a war? That seems ill advised.

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  • [–] 59 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Americans are running low on jobs, food, money, health care, education, legal due process, civil rights, and now self respect. A lot of which is due to zionists effing everything up. I hope they have zero interceptors and have to pursue peace instead.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The amount of money that we have wasted at the behest of Israel is staggering. Trillions of dollars. Every single dollar stolen from our people, to advance the interests of an 'ally' who has literally attacked our soldiers.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    It's not wasted, it's USAs forward military base, and an invaluable attraction for religious fanatics.

    We knew very well that the countries defined by the super powers after WWII would always be in conflict. They were designed that way purposefully, tribes were split apart and mortal enemies were mixed together very carefully to boost conflict.

    Like the post office, this government service is costly. BUT it's only costly for the taxpayers, you see, it's fantastic business for the military industrial complex and their investors. Guess who provides loans to those same businesses?

    It is a mystery, back to work

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  • [–] 47 points 8 months ago

    So, basically attacking a country that has been preparing for this war for 20 years might turn out to bite them in the ass?

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  • [–] 75 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    Well that's too bad.

    Anyways.. Anyone have a suggestions what to have for dinner?

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Bagels, for dinner? Isn't bagel like a thing you eat with your afternoon coffee, like a donut? I'm fairly ignorant about bagels lol

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Don't let big bagel dictate when you eat them

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I think I have never even seen a bagel. Big bagel is very inactive where I live.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You’re missing out. A good freshly made bagel is extremely tasty!

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I dont doubt that. I just checked it out and its called (sort of) "water circle" in my language lol

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Palestinians have amazing gastronomy. learn to cook some of their stuff. I make about 20kg of pittas and hummus every week for a mutual aid and costs me about 8$ per week. their food is amazing and cheap as fuck.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Excellent suggestion. I've been meaning to try something new. Thai and Italian is starting to get boring after 20 years.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    not gatekeeping, just advice, get the best olive oil you can, ideally from a shop you can taste it. And good zaatar is hard to find, avoid any from Walmart spice rack, chances are they replaced the actual zaatar herb (Hyssop in English) with oregano. Most of their food are cheap ingredients so those two key ingredients are important.

    if you try Palestinian cooking with low quality oil and oregano instead of zaatar you'll get something that tastes nothing like it's meant to taste that.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Good advice. :)

    Luckily its easy for me to avoid Walmart, I think the closest one is several thousand kilometers away. :D And I'm already a snob about olive oil so I got that one covered as well :) IIRC, theres a middle-east specialized spice/food shop fairly near me, I'll go check their selection.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago

    This seems like the thing you check before you attack a world power so you can bully your neighbors and steal their homes, but what do I know?

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    I plead for journalists to actually inform themselves about the subject before they write.... :o

    Israel has other ways to defend against Iranian missiles during the war, including via fighter jets, but the interceptors are among the most effective defensive weapons against long-range fire. Its Iron Dome missile defense system is designed to repel more short-range fire.

    They speak of Iron Dome (short range, for slow rockets from inside the atmosphere) and THAAD (high altitude, for fast missiles re-entering from space) interchangeably. And they even mention fighter aircraft, which cannot do jack in either case.

    The currently relevant scenarios:

    • Hezbollah shoots unguided rockets at Israel -> Iron Dome intercepts maybe 15% of them (if the trajectory looks dangerous enough), and this costs about 10 times as much as the whole rocket salvo.

    • Iran shoots an IRBM at Israel -> the IRBM splits up in space into cluster munitions -> Israel can intercept the MIRV bus (cluster munition housing), but it's empty at the time of getting intercepted. Not much point. And doing it would cost at least 10 times as much as the incoming missile did.

    A missile defense system, in this case, cannot do jack either. For this type of attack, defense would have a point if one was expecting to get nuked, becuause a nuclear-armed reentry vehicle cannot be made arbitrarily small, and the cost of leaving it un-intercepted would be extremely tragic.

    In case of these projectiles, which are conventional and unguided in their final stage, one has to simply absorb the hits. This is the cost of war. And try to find the other guy's launchers, and try to prevent them from producing more.

    And I'm not shedding any tears for Israel in this case. It definitely sucks to be bombed with cluster munitions, but they started this round of fighting, killed most people who they might have negotiated with, and aren't even new to using forbidden kinds of weapons (e.g. cluster munitions made of white phosphorus).

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    fighter jets are used to intercept shaheds

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Well, sucks to start a war without the necessary means.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    How many interceptors does Gaza or Lebanon have left?

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  • [+] 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)
  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    If there were any justice in this world...

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Eye for an eye and the world goes blind

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    What a silly thing to say.

    The whole point of the phrase is that bullies get a beating so they stop fucking everyone up.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    And the point of the phrase you replied to is that retaliatory strikes are endless (retaliate the retaliations) so everyone gets fucked up and the conflict never ends

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Sure but it doesn't withstand even a moments critical thought.

    There have been retaliatory strikes in every war ever, yet all conflicts end eventually.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The point is the endgame.

    If it is to strike back to stop the aggression even taking out the leadership.... That's one thing that can end a conflict.

    If you say it most go as far against the citizens of Israel as the IDF has gone against the citizens of Gaza, that degree of vengeance back and forth can never be reasonably resolved. Assuming the entire citizenry must be made to pay for the sins of the leadership is a road to ever escalating violence.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    That's fair.

    I'm not really advocating for the slaughter of millions.

    Just frustrated like everyone else.

    There seems to be overwhelming support for Israel's behaviour internally. I dislike the Israeli people immensely.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago

    And this will be used as nothing but an excuse to send Israel and arms manufacturers more money unfortunately.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Remember, USA had to go in, because Israel was going to attack Iran nomatter what.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That's okay, Americans will buy more while their infrastructure crumbles.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    You sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    For humanity to progress we're going to need people to learn the lesson that militaristic expansion will end your civilization.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Israel is also an aggressive, dishonest, genocidal ethnostate, supplied by the most overgrown military apparatus in human history.

    Citizens in Israel and the U.S. have an obligation to change our governments and societies for the sake of the entire world. Until then, pearl-clutching over justified blowback deserves no sympathy.

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    Gotta send them $1B I guess

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Can they use the Jewish space lasers instead?

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    [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    "Critically low" is still too many

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't part of the Christian Nationalists crazy view about armagedon is that Israel gets blown up? I think that is part of the plan.

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    i saw an interesting take the other day claiming the Iron Dome is fake, and just a fireworks show

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    They decided to start a war knowing their defensive tools were already critically low... Was the plan really all just hubris thinking Iran would just rollover in 24 hours? Even a child playing a FPS knows to reload their weapon before going on the attack.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Oh don’t worry, the dumbass in the White House will give them more

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    A bit like the he planning that got the Straights of Hormuz closed and US allies in the ME bombed. Brilliant!

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  • [+] -17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (12 children)

    I know a lot of people have absolutely no sympathy for Israel and that's understandable. But it's the Israeli government that's fighting the war and the Israeli society that's going to suffer under a lack of interceptors.
    Don't fall for the war mongering and conflate any country's regime with it's people. The people of Israel don't deserve to be bombed just like the people of Iran.

    EDIT: What's with the downvotes? I'm basically saying that there is no reason to be happy about bombing Israeli (mostly Jewish) citizen. Don't you agree?

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    In general you would be correct, but. remember how Israelis keept saying it's ok to murder all Palestinians because in 2006 they voted for Hamas?

    Israel has been voting for apartheid since it's foundation, and have voted for this genocide. they wanted this.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    They do not deserve our friendship or our protection. They are in the same position as civilians in any expansionist colonial project.

    I would not kill them, even the rapists, unless it was to stop them in the act. I do not believe in the death penalty.

    But why should we keep protecting them, while they attack others who we do not protect? What does that make us?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is still an utter generalization. There are many Israelis protesting their government, the Gaza war and the Iran war! Just like in many other countries people are influenced by hateful ideology, but that doesn't make them a valid target.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Remember when those IDF members gang raped Palestinian prisoners, and Israelis were having a Right-to-Rape protest in response? You'll never guess who just had their rape charges dropped in Israel a couple days ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    A vast majority of people in Israel support the policies of the country. They supported leveling Palestine. They support attacking Lebanon. They support bombing Iran.

    They're just mad that Iran made their munitions to counter against their iron dome and their air defenses.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    A majority, but not all Israelis. And even if that doesn't justify cheering about civilians being bombed.

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