There have been worse wars but they've accumulated their worseness over a longer period of time. In terms of failures per minute, Epstein Fury is in the lead
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Refuses to admit they need ukrainian anti drone tech. Because you know zelenskyy will make jd say thanks.
And it continues...
- Israel now out of or very low on interceptors
- Israel taking so much damage from Iran they're now threatening nukes
- Draft dodger now begging for help from allies he spent months breaking deals and partnerships with and shitting on their previous war contributions
- Draft dodger also begging for help from adversaries such as China and lifts sanctions on Russian oil
- Didn't re-stock oil reserve, gets his muppet couch fucker on stage to blame Joe Biden for gas prices
- Realizes they can't take the Strait back, takes over their island that they use to distribute, now held at a stalemate
- UK leadership calling him out on war being a distraction from the Epstein files
Can't wait to see what other fuckups he makes today.
I was sure he would find a way to blame Obama for this.
Also if a Russian asset was running this war, the first thing they would do would be to lift sanctions on Russia and force the cost of oil up ...hmmm...
He has time still. He's already blamed Biden for allegedly allowing the Iranian "sleeper cells" in, which he totally knows where they are right now, but just isn't arresting them. But he does know about them you guys
Trump-Epstein files™️ distraction
Operation Epstein fury
Are you saying that what has the potential to be the largest war since world war II is just a distraction from a bunch of documents that could eventually get someone convicted, even though most likely they have the power of not being convicted regardless?
I'm sure there are better ways to distract people.
It's hard for people to conceive how monumentally stupid Donald Trump really is.
I think of it this way. He could have extorted $50 billion out of the Saudis on Inauguration Day 2017. Instead he figured that he could sell his fans NFTs.
It's completely on brand for him to start a war
Why would you deny it is a better question
Edit: I made a mistake by responding to this trumpist troll.
Only Americans give any serious importance to the Epstein files. I don't know if this was the case, but I'm pretty indifferent. This war is a way larger problem than the Epstein files.
If this war is actually the result of someone wanting to take attention away from the Epstein files, then it may be better off for everyone to stop thinking about the Epstein files and prevent this kind of stuff from happening again.
There's a lot of jaw dropping shit you just wrote but the only thing worth the time to mention is that, obviously, trump is the one who started the war, so it's kind of up to his reasoning why. It is beyond clear he did this to distract from his pedophilia. People had been saying for weeks he would do it because the files were looking worse for him all the time.
Again I ask why do you deny this.
I don't deny anything.
It is beyond clear he did this to distract from his pedophilia.
It is not beyond clear to me. It feels like a huge oversimplified explanation of the causes of what could be a huge conflict. The war was started by both the US and Israel, not by Donald Trump alone.
Did Trump get into this war just to take attention off the Epstein files? It is possible, but I doubt it is the main reason.
It feels like a huge oversimplified explanation of the causes of what could be a huge conflict. The war was started by both the US and Israel, not by Donald Trump alone.
I was wrong to reply here. Because given that you wrote that, you give trump more credit than a person who can be conversed with would. 👋
To talk with someone you need them to be convinced Trump is stupid? We are talking about the president of the United States, no matter how stupid he may be I'm sure he's got plenty of advisors. The military had to have a plan for this.
The military had to have a plan for this.
They've literally admitted they didn't plan for Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz, what the fuck are you on about
What do you mean? The US military had to make plans for an attack. An attack of this scale is not organised one day to the other.
they didn't plan for Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz
They probably did not, so what? Does that take away that they planned the attack? Does that take away that Trump was likely advised on the matter? Does that imply that the only reason why the US attacked Iran is to take away attention from the Epstein files?
Your statement implies that trump has ever had a non-self-interested reason for doing anything. Someone who believes that cannot be reasoned with. It seems like you've been asleep for 10 years.
Your statement implies that trump has ever had a non-self-interested reason for doing anything.
Yes.
Someone who believes that cannot be reasoned with.
I'm afraid you're living in a bubble. This is not a good stance when talking with people. If you know better than I do, you can explain.
Saying that Trump never did anything but for his own interest is an oversimplification which I could only attribute to the strong polarization of opinions in the US. However, I don't know much about this and I may be wrong on whether it comes from polarization or some other cause.
He was after all elected twice as president, some people even tried to topple the government when he lost the elections. He clearly did something those people liked.
I won't participate in this farce anymore, but I will be assuming anything you say from now on is from the standpoint of helping trump propaganda wise
I'm afraid you are misunderstanding: I have no sympathy for Trump.
Open your mind, around the world there's a bit more than just republicans and democrats.
We can now also add to that:
Admonish other 'allies' for not pre-committing their navies to the ... surprise attack.
Within 48 hrs, claim it is the responsibility of every other navy in the world to help you with a military campaign against a target that you claim you've already destroyed 100% of their military.
He's a straight up nazi, said that there's something wrong with Arab genetics on national television last night.
And guess what, Iranians aren't even Arabs.
Arab and Muslim are synonymous terms to most chuds. And 'Muslim' just means 'brown person' to them, usually.
- lose geopolitical standing
- run out of precision ammo
- need China's rare earths to build more bombs
- switch to 1970 bombs and long ground war
- let Iran break petrodollar by allowing Yuan
- lose reserve currency status
- lose all allies
- trade deficit gets even worse
- Yuan becomes reserve currency
- Wall Street collapses completely
This might be those weeks where decades happen. So many possibilities. It'll be exciting to see what happens, from a distance.
honestly, can't believe that an Iran-US war is becoming an Iranian victory, with most of the US supporting Iran.
US was always a paper tiger. the military isn't designed for any sort of war, but designed to funnel public funds to military shareholders's pockets.
Idk, it's possible our military just always sucked but Im more inclined to believe it's just ineffective because the people running it are absolute braindead clowns.
both. it was designed to be a money sink. that's why it's budget is greater than basically all the rest of the world military, but lost a 20+ year war against some of the poorest peoples in the world.
It is incredibly effective against civilians though
For all the American hate against socialism, the military is our biggest jobs program.
Yeah, the US military is only good at murdering brown agrarian peasants. Especially their ground forces; they regularly get schooled in international exercises and they have to tell the OPFOR to take it easy on them because it hurts their feelings to not be the best.
A lot of military is just the massive upkeep, and thats I think where the US shines, given they can export any inflation created.
I don't think its a question of skill or training.
Iran holds all the cards.
You military has always been extremely capable of attack.
But your defense has been destroyed by corruption since at least the 90s.
"Uhh... uhh... But woke... and trans children... and groomers... ohh... he was a friend of Epstein..."
As someone with an inside perspective, I'll appreciate your outside perspective for a quick laugh between cry-sessions
If Norway had given him the prize he'd… have done the exact same things.
That fascist bitch from Venezuela "gave" him her prize, so he "has" one. And he's still a dumb fucking moron who did this anyway.
Right? The rush is in the acquisition - he wouldn’t have been any different 24 hours later. Humans are conditioned to then immediately want the next thing they see, not appreciate the thing they got.
Best president ever, raises value of oil/gas reserves, lifts sanctions on the motherland
Kind regards Vladimir
Mr FIFA world peace prize, with the cup held by hands of starving/dying people
But Lemmy don't like when people go there
For the most part, I don’t think Lemmy cares what other sites people visit, including Reddit.
That said, mostly site/user watermarks are pretty stupid. Like do they expect some kind of credit for attribution for a meme? And it’s also kind of curious, as I’ve never seen this style of reddit watermark before. What does it even mean? Is it from a cowboy sub?
So if there was at least material gain for the American public, it would be ok?
The meme is targeted at trump supporters.
There’s really no point in making a meme like this for peeps that already oppose him. Instead you should memorize a few bullet points to bring up in casual conversations with Trumpists.
Make sure it’s insidious too. Don’t say something like trump did a, b, and c, therefore trump bad. They’ll instinctively come to his defense. You gotta wormtongue this shit.
Say things like:
- Gas is so expensive now, why did trump attack Iran?
- I’m really worried about our country, won’t china take advantage of this?
- What if there is a draft?
Questions are usually better and you’re not trying to change minds. Just pile on mental debt, every little bit you add will help.
Based on my experience criticizing Iraq and Afghanistan for 20+ years here's your canned responses:
- Gas is so expensive now, why did trump attack Iran?
"That's why we gotta win. Finish the job and it'll come down."
- I’m really worried about our country, won’t china take advantage of this?
"China can't beat America. The only advantages they can get is by stealing our technology."
- What if there is a draft?
"I am too old to get drafted, so not my problem."
Being concerned about China overtaking America in some metric really brings out some pretty dorment racism I have found. But there's usually just a 'one more inning' mindset where it'll all turn arpund against all logic and reason.
nope, but it is useful to point how this isn't just imperialism (which is bad), it is painfully incompetent imperialism (which is also bad, but points at the leaders being both evil and stupid)
Well no, but the point is the war rationale is pure sophistry. They try to say it would be a material benefit and it's not that at all. So, even their unjustified justifications are pure falsehoods. There are zero good intentions behind anything trump does.
OP seems to be advocating for imperialism. Looking at the list what happens to anyone else is irrelevant to them.
One question: how come that US gas prices are affected that heavily by the closure of the Strait of Hormuz? Cos unlike Europe, the US has a lot more capacity to produce oil domestically? So can't they just do that? The US shouldn't be this dependent on oil from the arab countries compared to Europe?
The US can produce more than anyone else. But they can't produce enough of the correct type of crude. What they can produce is good for gasoline, but not other fuel types without investing heavily in refactoring infrastructure which would take years. It's cheaper to just buy it from others. That's why diesel is skyrocketing. This is what they quickly discovered after kidnapping Venezuela's leader. US imports most of their heavy oil from Canada, who he has spent months destroying relationships and agreements with because they refuse to bend the knee.
He just enacted an emergency order for California to re-open sites off the coast. It won't be enough. US would still need to import millions of barrels a day to keep inflation down.
My guess is a combination of restricted supply and speculation. The largely unregulated market of the u.s. is allows investors to just buy up the supply of a commodity especially if everyone knows the price is about to jump. Add to that the fact that a large % of the world's oil passes through the straight of hormuz means that a lot of gas that would be used in the states is being shipped elsewhere.
Simple answer: Money. Because businesses would rather sell it for market price on the global market than for cheap to domestic customers.
Domestic production was one of the perks of North Sea oil exploration that was sold to the British public, but it never led to lowered gas or electricity bills...
The US doesn't produce all of the oil they need.
And all of oil has the same price (taking into account its composition, transportation costs, etc), so it doesn't happen that 70% of the fuel you buy is cheaper, and only the last 30% gets more expensive. The oil producers are always happy to cash-in the difference and sell it at the market price.
Norway should put him in jail and give him a PS/5
all this should be under the category distraction from epstein moves then the bullet points.
The problem is we're killing thousands of innocent Iranians to stop the mullahs killing thousands of innocent Iranians.
we are killing religious fanatic rulers, who murder their citizens by the thousands by murdering their citizens by the thousands...
Congratulations. You win the "extremely myopic commenter who makes you wonder how they understand anything" award for this thread.


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