Migration minister Mike Tapp failed a UK citizenship test question before insisting he is a "proud Brit." Speaking at a parliamentary committee on settlement, citizenship, and integration on Tuesday, 10 March, the Labour MP for Dover and Deal admitted he did not know the height of the London Eye - one of the questions in the official UK citizenship test. "I am confident that I would be able to pass the test, I'm a proud Brit," he added, but promised to "take a keen interest" in knowing the answer "when it comes up again" in the same meeting next year. Chair of the committee, Lord Don Foster, said he will "follow up" on Mr Tapp's word.

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[–] 97 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Well that's a stupid fucking question for a citizenship test.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    My friend was revising for his UK citizenship test back in 2012. I had a couple of goes on a mock test and I failed it both times. The questions were absurd and I'd bet most people wouldn't know about and were of no relevance to British culture.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Oh I know they're all about who won what battle in 1791. I had one question that asked when Scotland and England became one nation, I mean I know roughly when it was (I know which century it occurred in) but I couldn't give you the exact date.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'd rank that information as more significant trivia than the height of the fucking London Eye.

    It was 1707 wasn't it?

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's just that I don't think that knowing a bunch of historical facts that most people never retain, if they're taught them at all, is really what's necessary for someone to integrate into British culture.

    Think of any nation and you can immediately name national traits, Peru has a very different cultural backdrop than Germany for example. Knowledge of that is what the citizenship test should be checking for. Not whether or not I can remember a bunch of dates from the attached guide otherwise it's much more about sending the accompanying book as it is about actually helping people integrate

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Yeah. I kind of get it though, and some historical facts do have a material impact on your understanding of that cultural backdrop, while also being much easier to test for. (And I think it is reasonable to have some kind of check on integration, even if imperfect, for naturalisation)

    In this example, if you know that the Acts of Union were 1542 for Wales, 1707 (huzzah) for Scotland and 1800 for Ireland, that tells you something about the relative strengths of the bonds between the different countries in the union. It gives you historical context for why Scottish Independence is a stronger movement than Welsh Independence, and helps you navigate interactions with people from the different countries.

    So a test that asks questions of that character can be objective, concise, and still encourages prospective citizens to learn things which are useful from the point of view of integration. In these topics people often bring up queuing culture (but I've never invited someone to go in front of me at a checkout that I remember), tea culture (but loads of people don't drink tea, disagree on milk/tea order, etc), sports (I don't follow any) that all have significant problems.

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  • [–] 71 points 8 months ago

    Oh yeah the only qualification for being a Britt is memorizing arbitrary information. That makes sense.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    My partner, dad's partner, and so many colleagues at my job, wasted so many weeks cramming for this stupid, irrelevant test. If you add up all the people who have to take this, how many person hours have we wasted as a society, all to be forgotten anyway, because it's useless information.

    We really need to get rid of this test, or at a minimum strip it down and make it about how to vote and access public services. But even then, if someone wants to learn that, they will of their own accord and in their own time anyway.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    I've passed the test in 2021. To be fair, there are some interesting and relevant topics, such as anything concerning the government structure: elections, judiciary system, Parliament, ... Other questions such as the number of volunteers in the National Trust or the London Eye height are completely pointless.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (20 children)

    Here's one that helps people revise, lets see how we do

    https://lifeintheuktestweb.co.uk/british-citizenship-test-practice-questions-12/

    I got 71% and I'm nativo

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    20/24 (83%), native Briton.

    Some of those questions are stupid though, on terms of day to day knowledge on Britain.

    If it was actually going to be useful, it would include things about:

    • Letting someone go in front of you in the shop queue if they've only got a few things and you've got a basket full.
    • Which football teams are "scum" according to supporters of other football teams
    • Which one of PJ & Duncan is PJ and which one is Duncan? (Also known as Ant and Dec)
    • How to apologise for things, even even they're not your fault
    • Why Piers Morgan is a twat
    • What things you can have a "cheeky" one of i.e. pints, Greggses, sausage rolls, Nandoses, and girls (if you're MP Lembit Opik).
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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    How long do you wait before beeping the horn if you're behind a car at the traffic lights and they turn green is another potential one

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I beeped a guy when on holiday in USA once, after a truck didn't set off for a few seconds. The guy stuck a middle finger out of his window and floored it with a great wheel spin.

    Not sure if I broke the rule by beeping too early, or the American rule is that you always flip off the guy behind you.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I got 21 and I'm from Denmark. Most of them were not too hard. Some, like British History were a bit harder, but not impossible. The amount of NI parliament members though, that one was a complete shot in the dark.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm British born and bred and I got 88%. Some of those questions are interesting and definitely better questions than asking the height of the London Eye.

    Maybe the UK citizenship test should try to select people who support important British principles (rule of law, democracy, religious freedom, legal equality of men and women, etc). But I suppose somebody could pretend to support those things for the purposes of passing a test, and after the test they might decide they don't believe in democracy after all. Also I'm sure there are born and bred Brits who don't believe in democracy.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    When it comes to plastic patriots it's the british-born nationals that are more likely to be the problem, the ones that want to immigrate tend to be okay.

    Besides I don't think it's possible for anyone to be a bigger prick than Tommy 10 names.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Is this thing on?

    - Mike Tapp

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    I've spent a total of two weeks in the UK (not counting layovers) and I got 88%

    I don't say this to brag, just to illustrate that the test MIGHT not be quite fit for purpose 😄

    I'm still going to have to take over your citizenship, though, them's the rules 🤷🏻

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    I'll handover my citizenship if you can pass British Isles test:

    1. Brown condiment that goes on toast
    2. Popular Irish Beverage
    3. Welsh actor that lives in the US
    4. Scottish comedian with thoughts about the Queen's Vagina
    5. Ambiguously Gay Duo
    6. Mixes well with milk but only in the UK
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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    spoiler

    1. HP Sauce (Marmite is a brown condiment that goes in the bin . Why, yes, Marmite is a bit "Marmite".)
    2. Vodka & Red Bull. At least that was what was being served at every house party last time I was in Dublin.
    3. Catherine Zeta-Jones
    4. His Majesty the Francis of Boyle
    5. Thems two wor were on Byker Grove, like, mahn
    6. Chocolate Hobnobs
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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    spoiler

    1. Marmite!
    2. This has to be Guiness
    3. I had to look Rhys up but I don't know his work. I went with Michael Sheen, who I do adore. Dang it.
    4. This has to be Frankie Boyle.
    5. …Michael Sheen and David Tennant? Please be what you were going for, I'm straight, but I love those two together!
    6. Tea! .... Ribena? (I know it's not Ribena). I think Nestle makes a banana powder for milk? We have chocolate and strawberry in the US

    I probably failed. :( but it was fun. I'm a huge panelshow fan, so anything I got might be blamed on that :)

    Forgive me if my reply is annoying, as a USian, I like hanging out in spaces like this, but I try to be respectful. But I had to reply to this one :)

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Brit here:

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    1. Marmite
    2. Guinness
    3. Michael Sheen? First Welsh actor that comes to mind. I think Christian Bale was born in Wales but considers himself to be English.
    4. Frankie Boyle if I remember correctly
    5. Ant and Dec? I think they're both married to women, I don't know
    6. Tea
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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I got 100% and I don't even live there

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why do you know the height of the London Eye. Are you a Russian agent?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's about eye-level.

    Anyway the test is multiple choice, so maybe if you know it's about 100m that's good enough?

    The test is ridiculous, it asked a load of history that I wouldn't expect normal people to know, Brits or otherwise.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I failed four. Doubt even people living Northern ireland know how many members their parliament has.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    92%. Canadian.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Migration Minister, sounds like he works for the RSPB. Call a spade a spade, Immigration Minister?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I had a friend go through this a while back, I swear the arbitrary information they were being asked to remember lol I got 83% in the one posted here, Wouldn't know about NI ministers and one questions I didn't realise needed two answers....Yes I wasn't giving it my 100% attention lol

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Probably silly to have claimed to be able to pass the test if he didn't practice for it, but otherwise really so what? Citizenship tests are more about proving someone wants to put real effort in rather than some trivial facts you could memorise in 30 seconds.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    Mirror: https://imgur.com/gallery/migration-minister-fails-uk-citizenship-test-question-GJgiKa0, because The Independent is an absolute dogshit ads/analytics infested website.
    Video: Migration minister fails UK citizenship test question

    The dogshit:

    Screenshot of The Independent ads/analytics dogshit; using uBlock Origin.

    I had to use Tor Browser to load the video because my hosts file blocks all ad/analytics domains using hBlock. Then used OBS Studio to record the video. Then took two screenshots of the uBlock Origin interface and stitched it together with Photopea. All because of human ingenuity stupidity. Goddamn.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    There's a chance that someone once uploaded a picture of some boobs on it or something, so to "protect the children", our beloved glorious leaders have blocked us from a big chunk of the internet.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    It's actually because they're not making any attempt to record self-reported age (such as "I am over 13") on signup, while there is adult content on there, and did not want to cooperate with Ofcom on it.

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    [–] 97 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    Why is the height of a Ferris wheel on the UK citizenship test?

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  • [–] 48 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I saw the headline and was ready to clown on the guy but then I actually read the question and I thought yeah, no. That's fair to not know actually. Why is that on the citizenship test? That's just silly

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Seriously though; most citizenship tests I've seen in my life (on the Internet; I've never changed my citizenship, so have never actually taken one) ask about things like how various governmental institutions work, not the dimensions of randomly selected landmarks. Is this a well known piece of information in the UK?

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago*

    My parents have taken this test and passed but it is purely a memory test and full of questions that the vast majority of British people would never know. Many of them aren’t even taught in UK schools. I firmly believe that more than 50% of British people would fail this test if they were asked to sit it tomorrow.

    You can find many practice tests online by searching Life in the UK test and you will be able to see the absurdity of some of the questions.

    I’m pretty sure one of the questions is what day is Christmas Day? I’m not too sure what this has to do with Britain as most countries in the world celebrate it on the 25th but it is a free point!

    This is not even mentioning the cost of over £2000 for the citizenship and the mandatory ceremony when you pass.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    It isn't a Ferris wheel, it's a cantilevered observation wheel. Its height still shouldn't be on the test.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    All cantilevered observation wheels are Faris Ferris wheels.
    Not all Faris Ferris wheels are cantilevered observation wheels.

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    Because whomever decided which questions are in the test are incompetent as fuck, as are the people who gave them that responsability.

    The whole thing has a massive stink of being the indirect result of some posh cunt giving one of his post cunt mates a top position in the part of the Public Service he's responsible for.

    In the UK at the level of the so-called "Public School" educated (in a perfect illustration of the level of deceit in that society, what they call "Public Schools" are in fact expensive Private schools) Cronyism is standard and Merit is at best secondary to Knowing The Right People.

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    The only relevant question I can accept for the UK citizenship would be about the airspeed of an unladen swallow.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Classic Tory move by Labour.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Having left the UK some years ago after having lived there for over a decade, I had almost forgotten just how much governments ministers over there tend to be sleazy posh cunts.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The height of the london eye? Is this a UK citizenship test or a london citizenship test?

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    .... .the f**k is "London Eye"?? Yank here (obviously). Almost seems like a gag the Britts might be trying to pull on us, similar to our asking airplane newbies to go get some prop wash.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago

    Missing one questions doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't pass the test.

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