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[–] 51 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

Cases of bone spurs on the rise.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Do you think they’d actually bring back the draft? I feel like after Vietnam they realized that it’s too hard to send the general population to do terrible shit without getting a lot of pushback. A professional military that’s already filtered out anyone with a conscience is half of why they can just do shit like this while most of the country doesn’t want it. Plus technology has improved a lot, allowing a smaller force to do the same thing.

    As for me. I’m already out of that age range, but I’ve already been wanting to move for a while. Maybe that would be the last kick in the pants necessary to get me to actually do it. But with the depression it’s still kind of a coin flip so….

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    The DoD thinks its a dumb idea to have a draft as the quality of the fighting force is degraded and other Incentives work better. The problem is facts and good reasoning are not something that the current administration is known for. Half want a Holy war to bring about Armageddon. The other half will do it based on something they see on social media.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    The US government has been investing billions into AI, drones, and other autonomous and remote weapons systems.

    Sending a bunch of young men to the opposite side of the world would be not just unpopular, it incredibly expensive. Food, clothing, equipment, healthcare costs. I highly doubt the end goal is to actually annex Iran, so they're much better off trying to find a local group to support in taking over the country and establishing a US-friendly puppet state. There's no need to have Americans in guerilla warfare for that.

    The only way I see them doing that is if they WANT to kill off a chunk of the male population in that age group. Which... Maybe? I could certainly see Trump and Hegseth trying to send "undesirables" overseas to die, but they've also made moves like banning trans people from military service. Unless they reverse policies, it looks like Trump will prefer to cozy up to the military rather than use it as a tool for getting rid of people.

    Maybe Trump will just do what Netenyahu tells him to. But I think this is more about trying to manufacture a reason to cancel mid-term elections like they outlined in 2025 than anything else. With the added benefit of funneling more government money into the military-industrial complex.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Do you think they’d actually bring back the draft?

    The important question is whether THEY think they'll bring back the draft; and the answer is yes, they are thinking of that very thing. Young men - they'll bar women - will go and die, just to keep the Epstein files sealed by any distraction possible. Any fight, any time, anything big and bloody.

    (Because if you listen to the one witness, it's just even so much more heinous than even this)

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I mean we are talking about an administration that things tarriffs are great and constantly swaps them around and also that sending paramilitary into cities is great. trying to get rid of abortion and straight up suggesting woman should not vote.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    They're explicitly creating a database of people they don't like. I wouldn't be surprised to see a draft that only selected people from that list to send to die. However, I could also see that backfiring pretty bad. Training them up to use weapons and fight, and handing them rifles, probably isn't the smartest move.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Do you think they’d actually bring back the draft?

    On one hand a draft would be extremely daft on many fronts. It would make an unpopular president far more unpopular, it would put guns into the hands of a ton of disgruntled people, and there's generally plenty of willing recruits based purely off of the economic benefits of volunteering

    On the other hand, the way his administration is talking to the media it really sounds like they're trying to lay the groundwork for a draft, including most notably saying why Trump's youngest son "isn't eligible to be drafted" (any normal politician would explain why their kid was "choosing not to enlist")

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I'm too old, but remember doing this planning after 9/11. (FWIW, if it didn't happen then, it's really likely not going to happen now, but you never know. Always good to have a plan.) Here he's some options:

    First option: conscientious objectors are still allowed. Go join a Buddhist temple (treeleaf.org is an online one). But you have to commit. Be a member in good standing, take the precepts, actually participate. Similarly, you can be exempted if you're a priest. Do you genuinely think that aliens are angels and that the alien god Raël is our savior? Great! Start a local Ralean church and start preaching. Do it on YT! Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Perfect! We need more Pastafarians to get it legally recognized in more states.

    Second option: Mental Health Disqualifications. An ADHD diagnosis CAN sometimes be enough to get a deferral (but Petey might sign a blanket waiver). Gender dysphoria as well, and with this administration, they're so trans-phobic that seems like a slam dunk (assuming there's no trans gulag you'll end up at). The important part to any mental health disqualification is treatment or meds in the last 12 months (24 months maybe).

    Third option: Stay in school, kids. Regular university attendance still is ground for a deferral....today at least. Grad school? PhD program? Might be worth the application fee.

    Fourth option: Leaving the country. A lot of people ended up in Canada during Vietnam. Digital nomad visas are easy to get in a lot of places. An alternative to this would be Peace Corps service, which would let you defer being drafted until your service is done. You can extend up to 5 years in the same country. Also a large number of people in PC during Vietnam. Considering it survived when USAID didn't, I'd say anyone qualified might as well start applying now as it can take up to a year to a placement.

    Last option: Be the sole income earner for your family. So marry someone - anyone - and be employed, preferably in an industry that won't go away during a draft (sorry, DoorDash isn't going to cut it). I had a grand parent who was a welder during WWII who wasn't drafted based on this one.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'd be careful with the mental health one given how they've been positioning to send people with ADHD to "wellness farms" and lord knows what they'd do with trans draft dodgers.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago

    German here, so provably not applicable as it was 17 years ago (jeez) and a climate when they were just getting rid of it (only to reintroduce it again this year)

    I avoided “Wehrdienst” by rolling in hungover with sunglasses and a Hawaiian shirt, botching their written test and telling them how much I enjoy going to leftist demonstrations and how I can't wait to hold a weapon in my hand.

    I think they don't enjoy the idea of arming and training leftists.

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    On of my ancestors cut his two fingers off to escape the Russian draft decades and decades ago. I'm not in America and I think I might be disqualified anyway if I were, but I wonder if that's a modern strategy that could work. It does sound a bit drastic...

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why would they draft me? I've never even been to the US!

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    Thank you for putting this all in one place!

    -Your cloud-based Palantir agent

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Take an opiate before I go in and nod out in the line or seat or interview or whatever.

    Also talk about how you've had to be on the opiates to come to terms with figuring out that you might be a different gender.

    Boom. No war for you.

    (I'm not really conscription age)

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    yeah thats not gonna fly. you're gon a have to prove a history of drug abuse and mental illness for that to disqualify you, and for being transgender to disqualify you you have to have already started medically transitioning

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Same principle as the weed doctor. You just need a therapist willing to sign off on whatever you tell them. Quite honestly it's probably even easier than that, normal intake for drug abuse is a questionnaire about usage history.

    So what all young men should be doing now is going to get drug abuse treatment just to get the intake paperwork done. Tell them you've been using since you were 13 and can't stop. Give them a phone number one digit off from yours if you don't want a phone call to remind you to come to treatment since you're just trying to establish a history.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Man if you go in there nodding out and drooling on the desk I feel like they're not giving you a gun and you couldn't go to basic training until you went through treatment you would tell them.

    What's there to prove? You showed up high AF on opiates and are very clearly (in their eyes) a drug addict if you do that.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Not of age, I got through the "draft period" during GWB. The US probably won't have a draft, mainly because we have a sizeable "volunteer" military.

    However, if I was drafted, I would talk to my draft board about how I've read books about fragging, and how all I can think about is how powerful that is, for one man with one weapon on the inside to destroy or disrupt the chain of command. Then do your best Private Pyle "Seven Six Two millimeter. Full Metal jacket!" imitation. The military doesn't care about sending untrained and unqualified conscripts into an active war, but I doubt they will take someone who seems to have uncontrollable fantasies about shooting their own officer.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I hear they don't let trans people in. Could try that

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    that's how you end up in a labor camp making military drones instead

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    I took inspiration from Arlo Guthrie and I pre-emptively got a fine for littering so I have a criminal record and thus would be rejected.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Itd be really funny if a natiomal epidemic of bonespurs happened

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    What are you, a cop? Anyone who is actually planning to dodge shouldn’t be posting their ideas publicly.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I mean it's literally as simple as claiming your trans. Trump was legit pissed at Hegsath cuz somehow Trump is smarter than him and knew people would do that if Hegsath banned trans people from the military.

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  • [–] 47 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    By being Canadian. Y'all can come live in my basement, my little American basement babies.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Man, you're WAY more charitable than I!

    In 2016, I offered formal asylum to a few dangerously leftist US friends of mine.

    This time 'round (2024) I publicly revoked it. I'm done with the country as a whole. They need to stay there and figure their shit out.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    by being in a country that doesnt have a draft and by being trans

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Not an american, but my country has a mandatory lottery style conscription system :3.. I did end up with my name in it once, but I never got past the medical evaluation :3 failed the psychological tests lol. It did end up with me getting a military mandated mental hospital visit™ tho, which is a fun story to tell

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)
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    Story time!

    TW for mental health and SH I guess :3

    So, this was a few years ago now, but I got conscripted for military service, and at that point you're supposed to go to recruitment stuff, and medical evaluations and all that. At the medical check up they did a bunch of tests, eyes, feet, spine, heart, and so on, and then eventually it got to the psychological bit.

    First was a go to the psychologist there, and it was all the standard stuff of fill out a questionnaire, then go in and talk to the psychologist about it, whatever. At the time I was pretty depressed, had a lot of anxiety, and also self harmed, which of course I answered without lying. They ask to see my SH scars, which I showed, and then they wrote some stuff down and sent me across the hall to talk to a psychiatrist, they again ask about the stuff I filled out, and eventually ask to see the scars, which I show, and they basically say "you don't need to any more tests today, go to such and such mental hospital, say it's for this military thing blah blah blah" and so on.

    (I cut myself on my legs, so to this day that remains the only time a mental health professional has asked me to take off my pants)

    Anywho I register to go there in a few days, and it's much of the same process, talk to the psychologist, they ask about my life and parents and relationships (was kinda like a therapy session lol), talk to a psychiatrist, talk to the psychologist again... Eventually I get taken to another building, they tell me to wait while they fill some stuff out, then I got taken into the office to answer some questions in front of a bunch of doctors about myself and how I feel about the military service thing, and at the end they hand me a large sealed envelope to deliver to the military recruitment centre, which I do, and then im officially dismissed from the military :3.. and I got paid like 20 bucks or something like that for the day I was technically in the military lol

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Would measles be a way out? It is on the rise in america.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Just say you have adhd or some other ailment and require a lot of meds. For most of you that’s probably true. Hell, my medication pile is bigger than my meals.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    They will waive that if they have to, plus RFK wants to get rid of those along with SSRIs.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    “They will waive that if they have to”

    “If”

    “they have to”

    The further down you are on the list the less likely they’ll need you… and the more time you have to visit you’re cousin overseas if it starts looking to hot outside… in Minecraft of course.

    The second thing is rfk can get rid of whatever he wants but people are going to need that thing still. He can ban heart medicine but when a recruiter asks about your health you can still bring up your are supposed to be on medicine and you can’t function without it.

    The heart condition excludes you regardless… or… moves you down the list and you have more time to play Minecraft before you have to go visit that cousin of yours.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    RFK wants to send people with ADHD and autism to labor camps. I don't think having ADHD puts you lower on the list

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Good luck getting us to work effectively lol

    That’s rfk just being stupid. He doesn’t have that kind of power.

    Also that’s a massive swath of the population it’s not that easy. It would take a lot of time and resources. Which gives me time to go see my cousins.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think "getting us to work effectively" is really the goal for concentration camps though

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I get what you’re saying and to put away all the jokes….

    Yes it would be exactly the goal because of capitalism. The camps would be private owned (probably by trump)

    They would have very short food and a high workload.

    It’s not dub dub dos. Labor camps won’t be death camps but they will be work you to death camps. Privately owned slavery.

    People with adhd work well in groups… but a group of 200 all with adhd… you aren’t going to get a lot done.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    That sounds like a problem...

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I admit it’s a very big problem. I once heard of a guy eating a head of lettuce at his sink while pouring ranch on it.

    That’s funny in a depressing way. Single guy eating lettuce over sink. Now that seems like it’s going to be all of us really soon. “There’s no water so we all have to eat over b the sink because we can’t use dishes and all we could afford at the grocery was these potatoes and some garlic spray. Be careful children the potatoes is hot and you have to use your hands to eat it”

    Sorry I’m kind of a pessimistic person right now lol

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They aren't going to have a draft, they will just destroy the economy so young people have no other option but to volunteer for the military if they want to eat/feed their families.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    More like,print lots of money to give to defense companies and enrich themselves so they can gaslight the rest of us by claiming the numbers are good, the economy is great

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Fight for an Independent California.

    Was in the Marines before, hated it and left to go to school. Would never think about joining back up. However I actually unironically would be willing to fight for California to be its own country, America is already on decline and society is fucked in general.

    Aside from that maybe I'd expatriate and go to my mother's home country in Central America and try to improve things there.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Just act gay or trans and come into the recruiter wearing a Mexican flag.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Not to break anyone's spirits but I find it funny many of you believe your age, sexual orientation, health issues, etc., will matter to people like this. If they want you they are going to try to send you. These people don't seem to care about many laws so what's stopping them from sticking their most disliked groups straight to battle?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, people don’t realize that Project 100k was a thing during the last draft. You think Forrest and Bubba made it through boot camp on their own? No, they were part of Project 100k.

    You think your autism is going to get you out of the draft? Have you ever met a marine? They’re all on the fucking spectrum. And if your autism is too noticeable, they’ll fast-track you straight to the front lines.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Geniuenly curious if you could just say "I am Muslim Alhamdulillah" and they refuse to draft you for this one.

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    Just gonna give them a rundown on my politics

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    There's a lot of assumptions going on here. First of all, historically 26 wasn't the maximum for the draft but 40, but secondly there's really no rules for a draft. A draft is already so much of an encroachment on one's human rights and legal rights that all bets are off should one be declared. Sure there'll be court orders and legal battles over it but we've seen how that goes already with the current administration, they'll simply delay and ignore while shuffling as many humans out of reach as possible until they can't anymore.

    Best thing any of us can do is simply hope for the best. My personal hopes are, in order of declining positivity:

    • There is no draft
    • I'm either too old or too autistic to be drafted
    • I can go back to college to be ineligible to be drafted
    • I can find myself a non-combat role given my technical expertise
    • Whatever happens happens and I'll figure out how to survive and thrive like I have every other challenge that's come my way in life

    There's really no other planning for such an eventuality. There's too many unknowns you can plan for, and while I'm seeing plenty of folks talking about fragging, taking drugs or establishing a false history of drug abuse, transitioning, etc. the fact is there's no telling what will happen nor what the legal landscape will look like

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Wait that's an option? 👀

    Hmm I guess I'll just die. 🤷‍♂️

    Maybe I'll find my faith into Buddhism or something lmao. (cuz buddists can't do violence so you have religious exemption)

    Oh yea btw, my mom called me weak and cowardly and unmannly and once told me "You should join the military so you can become more 'Manly' and 'brave'"

    I was like "Sureee mom, so when WW3 breaks out and they deploy me to Taiwan, I get to shoot at China's PLA soldiers..." (context: my family is from China) then mom got mad at me and told me that I'm so weak no military would ever accept me anyways... lmfao.

    So if I get drafted and die in war... maybe my mom will finally be happy that her son "died a man" or whateverz...

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It is like dodging a ball right? Sounds easy.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Can they use the traditional excuse of bone spurs?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'm pretty sure it is not illegal to say how you just like seeing dead bodies, even if it's your own commander.

    You're not threatening anybody. You're just sharing preferences.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Probably a good idea to start teaching the young guns about grenading.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Back when I was young I was just glad I was hard of hearing.

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