So we're just sailing into a time where AI will get blamed for anything and everything and, no-one will get held accountable or punished?
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What about the other schools that the US and Israel have hit? What about the hospitals and civilian residential areas? What about the fact that the US military seems to want credit for the bombing?
No it didn't, if there was oversight they saw the target and didn't care. AI is not the problem, its the scapegoat. They want to be able to shrug and point at AI, saying there was a misclassification and that it wasn't their fault. Meanwhile they ignore the fact that a human at any point in time could have stopped the attack or double checked the target. They chose not to because they don't care. Collateral damage, wanton destruction, and civilian casualties is the goal.
This is the WHOLE point of why these generative models have been pushed so hard the past couple of years. They tested the waters to see if people would accept "it's the computer's fault" as an acceptable excuse, and then slammed on the gas.
Accountability sinks, as Dan Davies has named them, are the whole point. It's everything a slimy corporate CEO or government official has ever wanted.
Here it is. The ultimate purpose of AI technology. Corporatism has all but eliminated any accountability by almost all Western leaders, and now there will be no accountability at all as long as this paradigm of implicitly trusting the most untrustworthy people in the world persists.
Can we get a better source on this?
WSJ was first to report that Anthropic's Claude AI was used in determining targets in Iran, but it's paywalled.
Futurism published an article asking the Pentagon about it, and the Pentagon refused to answer questions.
That would be a crazy turnabout given their public banning by Trump from being used by the USFG (mil included).
Destroying schools is part of the Israel blueprint. Destroy culture and education as soon as you can.
No, it was Israel. They can use this as cover. Now suddenly OpenAI and Claude are at fault. Oops! Israel excels at bombing civilian targets and schools. Biggest bunch of fucking cowards I’ve ever seen.
Reuters said it was the US, not Israel.
Both are capable of committing genocide, with or without AI. See history.
Israel would look very different if they didn't have the total impunity the US provides especially recently. Everything the Israeli government has done has been the US's responsibility for decades. The US doesn't give Israel privileged treatment because they've been tricked. They do it because Israel is primarily their own colony that they want to see made permanent.
100% spot on. They’ve managed to make a bunch of Christian nationalists believe that Israel’s “Greater Israel” plan that Netanyahu himself has wanted for 40 years, is part of their own Christian story. That’s why all of those reports came out about US military leadership telling soldiers that this was some sort of scripted divine war. The US is just Israel now. We funded a terrorist regime, it surpassed us, and now we’ve become a part of it.

And my favourite edit:

Just replace management with military and you've got what ishell and the merkins with the support of the epstein class are doing
Which of course was turned into:
"A computer can never be held accountable, that's why it's perfect for management decisions"
It's kinda amazing how the news corps love to say it's the "Insert LLM brand name"'s fault instead of naming and shaming the company that created the program, stole the data it's trained on, wrote all the 'safeguards' and slapped a terms and service on it that somehow absolves them of doing things like convincing mentally unwell people to kill themselves, spreading misinformation, mass surveillance and the the creation of tracking profiles that can discern who you are from way you type, or providing targeting data for genocidal maniacs (or providing a smokescreen for the powers to target whatever they want).
The propaganda worked, now they can scapegoat any level of horror by blaming the computer
Quite possibly one of the best things that ever came out of IBM, and one my my favorite products of 1979 (along with "Alien"). Of course, Weisenbaum had a thing or two to say about the ELIZA Effect previously in 1966. As usual, nobody listened.
AND IT WILL FAIL YOU
Counterargument: 99% of non-hardware-issue-related "misbehaviour" of computers is actually PEBKAC.
Your failure to use a computer =/= computer failing you
The problem; a school full of kids gets bombed into nonexistence. This exists as a result of a program working as intended; A neural network designed by a militaristic surveillance regime to harvest information and spit out 'likely' targets for subjugation, that by design cannot know any part of reality outside of the information it's given, sits pretty fucking far away from the keyboard.
These AI systems are controlled. They are managed. They are being used as a shield and a scapegoat by the people that developed them and sold them to the militaries of the world as a perfect target acquisition solution, when it has proven time and time again that it can't even tell the difference between people or do simple tasks without making shit up.
I've seen this same attitude of "Well there's no way that the way I use an AI is bad in any way, must be a you problem." when talking about a LLM making someone go off the rails or killing themselves and I'm tired of hearing it used as an argument.
Exactly, the invention of the "Corporation" under Capitalism served as a means to negate economic responsibility now they have invented AI to negate operative responsibility.
I feel like the people who created and sold these programs should be considered no different than people who create a biological or nuclear weapon of mass destruction. It's working as intended and the people who created, enabled, and used it should be held accountable.
But destruction is not the fault of the technology, it's the fault of the people who used it to create a weapon of mass destruction while fighting global AI treaties and regulations in favor of greed and power.
Nuclear material has the potential to create something that can destroy the world, but it also has the potential to create something that could save humanity depending on how it's used by the people who possess the material.
Biolabs have used pathogens with pandemic potential to make weapons that destroy, but they also created the first vaccines against those pathogens, and eventually developed methods to create non-live vaccines.
Proper use of AI would require transparency and regulations that place the good of all humanity before the good of the individual nation or corporation. It would be difficult to achieve, but not impossible. Destructive use seems less inherent to the technology itself than to human traits like greed and selfishness being permitted by society.
The LLMs that are designed to manipulate people to keep using a product are somewhere between cigarettes/gambling and a gun. I think they're definitely harmful and require regulations and restrictions. At the bare minimum I think there should be some kind of mandatory warning label, or link to reach out for help always included at the bottom of the screen just to remind people of the reality of what they're using when they use it.
I honestly kind of hate them, but I also don't think we need to try and banish them from society even if they don't really have the same potential for improving humanity. I think at best they serve as time savers the same way using a calculator to do simple math saves us time, but also makes us a little dumber/less skilled in the long run.
"Warning, this program must be used by someone who is a legal adult and must not be used to commit war crimes. Do you accept?"
( Yes ) . ( No )
when talking about a LLM making someone go off the rails or killing themselves
The warning would be for LLMs/chat bots that make people kill themselves.
Automated killing systems (like lavender) are use of technology as a weapon of mass destruction.
It’s working as intended and the people who created, enabled, and used it should be held accountable.
I think you're overshooting with your response.
My statement had nothing to do with LLMs, or targeting Iranian schools. I was simply responding to the previous statement that a computer will fail you.
Computers don't fail people. They're precision instruments, and anything short of a cosmic ray bit-flip, or hardware failure, will not result in a failed execution of its instructions. Therefore the computer didn't fail YOU - YOU failed to provide adequate instructions for it to do what you wanted.
Even in your reply you specified that these neural nets are being given specific information to train target selection on. Sure, the AI is nowhere near the keyboard (well, it actually is, but more on that later), but then again, WHO fed the AI the training data? WHOSE decision resulted in the AI spitting out a school as a viable bombing target? Ultimately a human sits at the top of the chain, even if it was multiple automated AI systems that collated, labelled, sorted and managed the training dataset. The reason why those highly advanced neural nets didn't work the way they were expected to (even accounting for the NN black box effect), is, ultimately, down to human failure.
Mind you by failure here I am simply talking about expected outcome vs what happened. The expected outcome being the AI providing 100% viable combat targets, active combatants, military bases, etc., not a school full of children. Because while the cheetoh in chief might be a raging narcissistic child rapist bastard, I doubt most of the rest of the US armed forces agrees with bombing children, so the original goal of the AI had to be to provide said viable targets. Therefore there had to be a human component that provided the data to skew the targeting, and that human component was most definitely sitting in a chair in front of a keyboard...
Computers don’t fail people. They’re precision instruments, and anything short of a cosmic ray bit-flip, or hardware failure, will not result in a failed execution of its instructions. Therefore the computer didn’t fail YOU - YOU failed to provide adequate instructions for it to do what you wanted.>
Nope, this was 100% human intent.
They're making AI an excuse for their cockups. I believe that is why the pentagon is partnering with OpenAI/ anthropic to be their scapegoats.
Its crazy how they think that people are stupid/ sanewashing us in the face.
I remember the countless excuses for similar attacks on schools and hospitals.
The fault is either organizational where no single person can be blamed, or it is the action of a low ranking individual who takes the fall.
Often it is the fault of the enemy, who "used a children's hospital as a meeting point", so it is clearly their fault!
Just read up on the 2015 Kunduz Hospital Airstrike for one example, the Lions Lead By Donkeys podcast has a good episode on it.
Wow that's crazy. Software problem. Nothing you can do about that I guess. It is what it is. Could happen to anyone, really. Those who have never murdered a school full of children can throw the first stone and such.
Of course it fucking did. This is what happens when you rely on AI to automate your war crimes.
The Lavender precedent: automated kill lists and the limits of International Humanitarian Law
In late 2024, the UN verified that nearly 70% of those killed were women and children (Farge 2024). AOAV’s data on civilian harm following explosive weapon use in Gaza puts that percentile even higher. Evidence recorded in the classified Israeli military database in May 2025 revealed that only 17% of the 53,000 Palestinians killed in Gaza were combatants. This implies that 83% were civilians (Graham-Harrison & Abraham 2025).
Well, those chat bots failed to run a vending machine, but they want to use them for autonomous weapons.
IMO they are setting things up so if a tactical nuke somehow makes it to the battlefield nobody will be responsible.
Horseshit. They've now hit 4 schools and 13 hospitals. It's all intentional. The US military is a terrorist organization.

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