It's because humans naturally want to avoid unpleasant work, and public schools teach us that learning is hard and work for some reason, rather than something fun. For instance, I used to read for fun an unbelievable amount, but then I was forced to do book reports with a required list of books to "prove" I was reading them, and it was just absolutely no fun at all. Why not have a discussion about it and the teacher can check the spark notes? This changes at community college back to learning is fun, but just years of being told to do busywork and be a drone kills learning for a lot of people I feel.

Hey I'm an educator and I found a way to trick the chatgpt so students can't use it.

I have two methods I employ to reduce they use of chatgpt

Method 1.

I use examples of people in my questions and the people are characters from popular TV shows. Like star trek. You could also use names of athletes or anyone that likely has a lot of content on them in media and internet.

For example : Spock and Uhura both were given an image of a dress to determine if it matched the dress of the missing scientist. Spock perceived the colors to match and Uhura did not. What would explain this difference in color perception?

The answer would be color constancy. It's also a reference to the blue/black gold/white dress. But chatgpt would not be able to understand that.
(I'm a perception researcher and educator).

Anywho if they copy paste , they are likely to get replies based on episodes of star trek tos.

The other thing I do in conjunction with the first is make it so that the resources I give them are easier and less work to use than dealing with the chatgpt answers that would require a lot of additional edits of the text to finally get the correct answer. And may not ever give the correct answer.

If they have a resource like a PDF of the PowerPoint lecture, they will use it instead if it's easier to use.

So make it the easier choice.

I hate that LLMs have fucked my ability to find decent documentation. The Internet is done for. I'm learning to garden and do basic electronics from text books now.

Because learning for kids/young adults isn't really the point anymore. The point of doing the learning is to "pass test" or, "get job" or, "move on to the next link in the education chain". So young people often feel faced with a choice, engage with the process to accomplish the tasks, or dissociate from the process entirely.

This systemic issue is likely why steiner schools and the like are seeing increased interest from parents.

I feel like this is a progression of a trend I've been railing against for a while. My workplace has to contend with a massive amount of ever-changing regulatory and engineering information. There are thousands of pages of documents, with differing levels of authority and detail, governing all aspects of what we do.

I've been begging people to read the docs. Don't just ask your manager or predecessor, don't just skim through it, and for fuck's sake don't ctrl+f until you find something that looks good and run with it out of context. Treating this sort of research like a Google search is killing us during compliance inspections. Read the docs!

Shit changes, often. I have to constantly remind them, it's not what the docs said last year. It's what they say now. Know your responsibilities, know where to find the info that pertains to them, and review it often. Read it, know it, or at least know where to find it.

It's getting worse. I've seen experienced people submit supplemental documents with egregious errors after they "just used AI for grammar checking". I've seen proposed policy docs with references to regulations that are decades out of date. I've gotten questions about implementing things that were outlawed or obsolete before I was born, and I've been around a looooong while.

We can't meat puppet our way through this, blindly following AI, or people are going to die in horrible industrial accidents. I mean that literally. People will be killed. This is why we have the current mass quanties of regulatory documents, to prevent people from literally dying in awful ways.

I'm to old for this shit.

On one hand I don't blame people for wanting to make money.

On the other hand hand how come EVERYONE is in it for the money?

Integrity is all gone and I hate that I can be in classes with 40 CS majors and still can't share my hobby of programming with anyone.

Yeah. It’s definitely a major contributor to the dumbing of humanity. We’re barreling towards Idocracy with open arms. AI.

yep. watching kids squander their one chance at university education over their reliance on this shit is depressing as fuck.

It's only going to get worse. We're going to encounter people who are basically being piloted by AI throughout their lives, with everything they do.

Not a teacher but rather was a student in language school and will be a student again hopefully soon. But last time we were in language school everyone was using Chat GOT to get answers in work sheets and translations and stuff just to get a passing grade when in reality the class didn’t actually have a grade. They were cheating for nothing, paying for a class to learn, and swapping out the critical language learning for slop???? Granted we were allowed translators for words we don’t know yet/had trouble with grammar (us especially since autism moment) but we only used Google Translate and normally only single words, which were then put into our need to learn vocab list. At first we felt stupid because everyone seemed to be finished way before us and at lightning speed understanding what’s going on?? But we started to notice they’re ask on their phones and not in the active workbook and after a while found out it was chat gpt. They even said we should get it to not fall behind and yet we were trying to actually learn. Anywho on any spoken portion and exams we and 2 other people who didn’t use gpt passed without issue. :P

When I try to do a general search for help on how to solve a problem the top results in most search engines aren’t the old Academy style videos of guides anymore. They are sponsored links, paid tutoring websites, and YouTube videos of people playing at influencer instead of teaching.

Just wait until the AI companies move on from the onboarding phase and into the enshittification one.

we all do, m8

It's called ChatGPT. Not ExpertGPT, ScientistGPT, EngineerGPT, DoctorGPT, or fucking TeacherGPT.

I have no idea how a novelty Eliza 2.0 impresses so many microcephalics to the point it's destroying our society.

There is no reason to avoid getting better at writing.

I feel like people often misunderstand that writing isn't just busywork, but rather instrumental for developing a deeper understanding. Formulating a sentence forces you to clear out uncertainties you might have. And writing it down serves as extended working memory.

I can imagine there being some middleground, like not bothering to learn where to place commas and having an LLM insert them for you, but from my biased position of already knowing how to write correctly, I do struggle to come up with scenarios where this actually makes a difference.
If you know how to read, you'll have a sense where commas aid with that. Anything beyond that is just pedantic wankery anyways.