It's not "surge", it's not "dynamic", it's not "personalized" pricing... It's price gouging. Look forward to paying more for games during peak times and months. It's never enough for these greedy giant corporations.
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Yeah I’m testing out dynamic buying. If it’s too expensive I don’t buy it.
I've been doing that for years 🏴☠️
I just don't buy things I can be getting for free anymore. All of the people selling it want to treat me like a piggybank instead of a person, so I don't treat them as humans either.
This also goes for indie devs. They still do scumbag shit like ending prices in .99 while expecting the community to show goodwill.
Fuck that.
Then I will continue my 20 year Sony boycott.
What was it that initially sent you down that path?
Not the person you asked, but for me:
- The music CD rootkit
- removing OtherOS from the PlayStation 3
- trying to push various proprietary formats like MemoryStick and MiniDisc
- DRM in ATRAC3
- etc.
Take your pick!
Ugh God. I remember that "Magic Gate" bullshit when the PSP launched. They started a trend with the Walkman and they're trying to get lightning to strike twice. Never could do it though. Good.
Those greedy assholes need to engineer and innovate in other areas.
I'm still pissed about the rootkit scandal. That was 21 years ago now, and I haven't spent a penny on Sony products since.
Trying to only establish proprietary media in the past, mostly ignoring open standards.
Oops I didn't fully read, you got it ♥️
Omg their stupid ass 4x normal price proprietary memory sticks lmao
Steam and PC gaming if anything. That and changing life priorities in my 30s and 40s. GoG and epic too. Between them I have almost 1000 games I didn't pay for. Combined with hundreds on steam from humble etc. I probably spend more time trying to decide what to play than playing it.
Valve is also the only company out of these big gaming companies who do lot of Open Source (working on it and funding other projects) and care about Linux. It maybe coincidental, but these care and goals align with my personal interests. No other company in the gaming industry does that to this extend, plus its an open platform. And being a private company brings also lot of freedom to not listen to shareholders.
The only thing is, that Steam itself is not Open Source... and the uncertainty what will happen if one day Gabe will no longer control...
That last note. Ughhh... Don't put fear in my heart. Every generation it's "all you have to do to come out on top is not step on your own dick" and every generation these massive companies manage to find at least one way to fuck up spectacularly. Steam ISN'T just doing nothing, but even if they did, it would be a lot better than most of the major players most of the time
the PS4 can be jailbroken with a €4 disc from aliexpress nowadays, and it has a great catalog of games. slap a 1tb external hdd on it, download games from archive.org, presto
Intriguing....
Wait, you can get jailbreak discs from aliexpress? That might be worth looking into...
(although, how do we know if it's got malware on it?)
you can also burn it yourself if you have a bluray burner, the software the aliexpress discs use is freely available (search for "goldhen")
Oooh awesome. I figured normal burned discs wouldn't work.
We don't have a bluray burner (only a CD/DVD drive) but have been kinda wanting to get one.
Shoot, apparently it's not open source. That's not confidence-inspiring... but then again PS3 CFWs weren't either (*sighs*)
Does that apply to PS4s running 11.something? I can't remember what OS version our PS4 is on, but it's new enough that a jailbreak only came out pretty recently. Needed a specific game disc to work.
it works up to firmware 12.52, if you haven't updated for a couple of months it should be fine
Oooh lovely!! We're uh, pre-12.5 I think.
A DVD won't work, right, it's gotta be a bluray? Because if we can do this with a DVD-R and not need another reader, that'd be great.
In some cases the ps5 can as well but only older firmwares have the full chain of exploits. That said you can run game backups and if you get an old enough firmware you can even install Linux and run steam games
exploits are getting fixed over time 🤷♂️ check out modded warfare on youtube if you want to learn more
Might have to snag a used PS4 now...
Fuck dynamic pricing, anyone even considering it should be jailed.
So tired, so tired of these ultra rich finding new and creative ways of squeezing the plebs and we just, again, let them
That's nice...
Meanwhile, I am testing piracy: one game - same price on my private torrent tracker.
This should have been an obvious outcome when digital games weren’t priced any less than their physical release.
It’s not about saving the environment with less plastic. It’s not about saving money for the customer. It’s not about making it more convenient for the customer or the developer.
It was always about more greed. More money in their pockets and more ways to fuck you over as a customer.
Being transparent about stable prices without shady experiments is the first step of trust. Years ago Steam got rid of dynamic prices during sales, where prices during sales for games would change. While not exactly the same thing as Sony does, its still good we got stable and reliable prices.
How do you justify “dynamic pricing” on downloadable content?
It's nothing new. It's been done for the past 20 years. Products are priced differently in different countries based on their economy.
You have been able to do this in Steam for decades now. You can/could use VPN along with changing your location in steam, to trick it into thinking you are in that region. You would then get that regions prices.
E.g, lots of Steam games used to be noticeably cheaper if Steam thought you were in Russia as opposed to Germany.
I don't think this story is about that. It's about making games more expensive based on how much they think you'll pay.
This specific study in the article is about making games cheaper to see if that makes people more likely to spend, but you just know they're going to also make them more expensive if this works out
The former part has been a thing for hundreds of years.
But yeah I suppose they would use it to change the price dynamically on a constant basis based on demand.
Though I'm not sure that's even legal to this extent in EU. It's a product for purchase. Not a stock. But you're right. It does sound bad.
So they aren’t gonna say “loads of people are downloading the same game in the same region, let’s increase the price”? Cause that’s what dynamic pricing means.
I'm not sure I follow the dynamic pricing explanation. This article shows evidence of A/B price testing with different sized discounts, but not specifically dynamic pricing. It seems to be regional at most. If I'm missing anything let me know.
Exactly what i was thinking. A/B testin is the best way to get data.
What worries me more is what they are going to do with that data and if it will lead to predatory business model or not.
It absolutely will be used in the most shitty predatory way. They're not going to simply delete the data and most digital marketplaces are excited at the prospect of dynamic pricing.
Yes, predatory use is what i fear.
What i can gather from the article at the moment they are testing what is the percentage they can discount the game and make most profit still from it. I dont inherently see any proof they are aiming for full dynamic pricing.
If they give for group A, 50% discount and make 1000 sales from 70€ game they make 35 000€.
But if they give group B, 25% discount from 70€ game they make the same 35 000€ with only 667 sales.
Then they have group C as a control. If the control group will make as much money as the other groups they know for sure discounts are not good busines.
Simple so far.
After the initial numbers they most likely will follow the retention. If i were there i would follow each group weekly and take a note how much money each group generates. At this time it would be best that each group gets the same discounts and adds etc. My hypotesis would be that people who buy only games from big discounts are more unlikely to buy games at full price. Meaning that even if there were more sales there would be less income and the customers have lower CLV. It does not mean they are bad customers per se, but it would mean they are not the core customer group they should focus their effort on.
If they are doing what they are doing to figure out their audience really is, this is not predatory. A/B testing is unfortunaly the best way test it, and to company as big as Sony, the data they collect is unmeasurable in value. Everyone of us had been part if some companys A/B test at some point. Adds, news site headers, youtube videos, hell even telemarketing calls do this all the time.
Im not saying they are not looking into to dynamic pricing, but with what information the article gave me i cant say that they are.
Sorry for the long text. I wanted just to justify why i dont see this for a reason to immediadly jump in to conclusion that Sony is trying to screw everybody up.
testing if there is a call to boycott or people swallow it I assume
Well, the only game I was looking forward to from them was Ghost of Yotei, budt since they killed the PC port for whatever reason, i don't even want to buy anything
If you played first Horizon but thought the second was a boring version of the first, that's how Ghost of Yotei was for me. Assassins Creed Valhalla too. It's like everything is the same game.
The next game from the Returnal devs will be released soon. Now that is something that sounds exciting! Returnal was amazing! I hope they port to PC.
Man people like slop games. No wonder they keep pumping them out.
Are you suggesting Ghost of Yotei is a "slop game"?
These are the people who are about to win the console wars once Microsoft throws in the towel with Xbox.
PC gaming hopefully about to have a third golden age soon! 🤞
Just in time for hardware to be impossible to buy.
More incentive for people to go to PC and chances for Linux gaming to grow. We'll get a Linux GOG client someday and drag EGS kicking and screaming to Linux too. Steam lets devs generate keys for free for deva to sell on other stores with no Valve cut. Bundle sites like Fanatical, Humble Bundle, Digiphile
Closed hardware platforms with closed software distribution loops are destined for enshittification
PS5 will keep being a dust collector for me. Unplugged it once the ROM keys leaked. It may someday be useful as a normal PC
I've always said digital games should be discounted. I saved you the manufacturing, shipping, middle man, and warehousing costs. But I got zero discount, and the digital game can just be taken from you
So what you're saying is never use the Playstation store for any reason whatsoever.
Anyone dealing with Sony in anyway absolutely deserves everthing they get. Fuck Sony ten ways to forever.
It seems as though many people aren't reading the article, Sony was testing lower prices for the test groups, not higher. That sounds like the opposite of price gouging to me.
If you get the lower price only with the app etc. it’s a price increase for anyone without the app. When most of the users have the app and are locked in the prices get changed based on an algorithm and everybody pays more than before.
It's just a test. Doesn't mean they won't use it the other way.
Probably just seeing how much people notice and why.
So it means gamers with fomo will never get to see a sale for the games they want to play right. Since Sony knows those gamers will pay the full sticker price.
"What is the closest number to $infinity that people will still buy?"
This is what they are testing. If you care, dont buy anything over $60. $60 is the absolute maximum price anyone should be paying for a physical copy of just a game. Digital should be even less, and Collectors Editions with extra physical items can be priced higher based on the value of the extra physical items.
Dynamic pricing for video games isn't new. Games will charge more or less based on your location.
It's funny how companies brazenly do this, yet there are still swaths of moron saying it's necessary to keep the lights on.
No, dipshits. It's necessary to maximize profit off of your stupid-asses.
No matter how dynamic a pricing model, five-finger discount always makes it free.
Don't we already have a similar thing with regional pricing?
Video games (and pretty much everything else) are sold for less in countries where the local currency is "weaker", to maximize the profits in each market. Selling Slay the Spire 2 for ₱779.00 Philippine Peso means they get this brand new game for half the price Europeans pay for it, only difference to most other goods is that it literally is the same product.
This is justified by claiming gaming is for everyone, it would be unfair to price out entire regions simply because the average worker earns less US $ over there.
Does this not apply within countries, too? Wouldn't it be fairer if they sold games for less in Kansas compared to New York? I get that we do not trust game publishers with this new tool, and fear they just want to get the most money out of us, but then we also need to make the same fuss about how they use the old tool to do the same thing. I for one am closer to the Japanese median income, can I pay their prices then?
Anyone stupid enough to be paying more than $0 deserves to get rooked.
I guess I’ll test not buying anything while they keep fucking with that idea.
If they analyze my personal purchase history, they might notice a trend that I’m not buying games from them for more than $40 anymore unless they’re single player, have epic storylines, and are heavily vouched for across the gaming community.
If they know this and start pricing their games around that budget for me, I might start spending more money in their store than I would have otherwise.
Otherwise, when I eventually get a Steam machine, I think the only games I’ll be buying from them will be the big budget single player exclusives. Assuming Sony still wants to make those.
It will be interesting to see how it works. Grocery stores often use dynamic coupons and it's excellent. Could end up with more savings for the more patient buyers
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