My only regret is I never had a chatgpt subscription in the first place to cancel.
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I'm in postgrad study at the moment and the amount of university students that rely on ChatGPT for 80%+ of their assignment/project work has really shaken my trust in the current gen coming out of higher education.
This is after the unit lecturers have each belaboured the point that GenAI must be 'used responsibly and with care to triple-check any output is valid and understood - and that any confirmed plagiarism or hallucinated references are an 'instant zero' on assignments.
They don't care. It's easier than reading textbooks and thinking.
(All this to say - I don't think #QuitChatGPT will have much effect on those using it regularly, regardless of their morals)
I swear I don't understand college students who work so hard not to learn.
It's like they want to get as little education for their money as possible.
The purpose of college today isn't to learn, it's to get a degree.
Also undergraduate content can often be found on the internet and self-studied for much cheaper than a degree, but it won't give you the resume credential and network for getting a job
Because being more intelligent than before isn't the point anymore. It's to get a $50k certificate that says you can do jobs unrelated to what you studied. It's shows that you are breakable and thus likely to be a good worker.
a $50k certificate
Ah, the good old days.
I mean you can probably still pull of a State University at $50k a year, right? I graduated highschool in 2010 so my data is definitely out of date but how much can a public school cost!?
According to US News & World Report, the national average cost of in-state tuition is $12,436 and the national average cost of out-of-state tuition is $29,815. So it sure is possible (on average), but just barely. I also randomly checked Florida State University and their tuition is $6,517 for in-state and $21,683 for out-of-state students so it's a relative bargain.
Because they're not going to college to learn, they're going to get a degree. The prevailing mentality is "I'm paying for this so that I can go through the motions and graduate so that I'll meet the minimum qualifications for an entry level position."
It's a result of the commodification of education: treating universities like a business rather than as centers of learning. Everything's transactory.
Professors are afraid to fail students because the administration wants the best retention ratings, and cause bad reviews might mean they lose their jobs.
Oh, and because expecting college students to actually learn something is elitist, apparently...
Don't get caught forming coherent thoughts in complete sentences with proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Someone might accuse you of being petite bourgeois and get your professor fired for playing favorites...
This doesn’t match with my experience at a state school at all, lol. I get whether I put a period before or after my citation picked apart. Is this how students at private schools get treated?
I don't know, I went to a community college. I don't know what grades other people got on their essays, but sometimes we did peer revisions and I saw the quality of other people's writing. They called me racist and elitist if I made too many grammar corrections, so I can only imagine what they said about the professor when they get a bad grade because I stopped correcting their grammar during proofreading.
There's also this thing that sometimes happens where the professor adjusts for privilege in grading. The effect is that I would get a B+ or an A- for having a couple typos, but someone who can barely spell or formulate a complete sentence might get the same grade as me or even better.
And if I get an A in the class or on a test I have to keep it a secret or all my classmates will hate me and claim it was because of white supremacy or some shit.
I’m going to a community college in California right now and that doesn’t match my experience at all. These were announced grading policies?
More like undercurrents in the student body that professors had to be aware to avoid being slandered on exit surveys and ratemyprofessor
Weird, do you feel like sharing generally where this is? I’ve corrected grammar in my English writing classes plenty of times as part of peer review, even (gently) corrected another student on how they were using a racially insensitive term, despite the fact I’m white and they weren’t without it being an issue (they were an international student and we had been reading some stuff from the 1800s that used outdated terms).
For other classes I’ve had a mix of whether or not the professors care about grammar, but those that do have always been upfront about how to get in contact with free tutors on campus to check your work.
RMP is a crapshoot anyway on how useful it is; one terrible prof at my school is constantly leaving really obvious 5 star reviews for himself to override the hordes of people going DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS CLASS!!, while a fantastic professor I have has close to the same middling rating because she does a class that qualifies for fulfilling a gen ed requirement, and people who are uninterested in it just don’t like the class.
East coast, so maybe different culture from California. It was also a few years ago and the culture might have shifted a bit since then.
I was literally in a seminar where participation was encouraged and part of our grade, and my professor stopped calling on my because I raised my hand for nearly every question. Even though I would often wait for a few other students to speak before I raised my hand. And sometimes no one else would raise their hand at all. Prof was basically pulling teeth to get anyone else to respond, and my arm was getting tired from staying up so long, and this was a regular occurrence.
But he docked me participation points because one day I was getting really frustrated and fed up with being so blatantly disrespected, so I decided to leave instead of making a scene. My blood was literally boiling and there was no productive outcome that could have resulted from me staying that day.
The result was that I got docked participation points from a seminar because I raised my hand too much. If that's ever happened to someone who isn't a cishetero-presenting white male, I'll eat my shoes.
College used to be optional. Most people didn't go, you went there because you wanted to learn, or you wanted to go into a particular field that required higher knowledge.
Now, college is just a paywall that gets in the way of having a normal job that can pay you an ok amount of money if you're lucky. This is especially true now for when it comes to the prerequisites. Kids aren't there for knowledge. It's so they can get a job. No one cares about those college level English courses being forced on them when they're going to end up as middle management at an insurance agency. Especially now, when their PC will tell them their grammar sucks before they send out that email.
Even STEM bachelor's degrees can be a little iffy. I finished my undergrad and felt like what I truly learned was how little I knew.
Also a lot of professors suck at teaching and will teach highly outdated material or terrible practices, and half the degree at my university was gen-ed unrelated to the degree subject that should have been taught in high school.
I couldn't agree more. I initially went to a small community college. I took o chem twice because my first professor was so awful that the entire class would have bombed if he didn't curve the entire course so hard that we all got Bs or above.
When I retook it at a state university, I learned our confusion was due to him having no goddamn idea what he was talking about. His lectures didn't match the textbook, which is why we were getting marked off for what often turned out to be actually correct answers on the tests he made.
The thing about a college education is that you absorb a lot of information that you don't really think about.
I'm no smarter than I was in high school, but I know a fuckton more. I just can't itemize what it is I've learned.
It’s gonna be like when cell phones got popular and suddenly no one could remember anyone’s phone number anymore, but this time it will be that they can’t remember anything
I think my brother's has like, a 6 in it? Maybe an ampersand...?
When I was in college, I did some TA work helping to run labs. This particular lab was a general chemistry lab for the health care track, nurses, doctors, etc. This girl walks up to me, deadpan, and asks "What does 'M-L' mean?" She was asking what milliliter meant. I shit you not, that has scared me about ever going to a hospital for anything more serious than a cold.
Lol yes that is worrying. She could have just been having a brainfart though.. Everyone has those sometimes.
I've been to hospital quite a bit (visiting and assisting people mostly) and the standards have been very high for nurses, doctors, technicians etc. I hope that can comfort you somewhat.
This is disheartening to hear. Why would you pay $60k-$100k in tuition alone only to waste the paid opportunity?
It’s like buying a new Toyota Tacoma, slashing the tires, draining the radiator, and then taking it out for a spin and expecting a quality drive.
Perhaps this isn't obvious to you but higher education, while valuable, has long just been a rubber stamp.
Many grads don't work on their feild of study and many people are just trying to get the paper so they can get a job.
It's been like this for 30 years.
Sure is disheartening and I don't much understand it beyond 'path of least resistance'. I'm not in the US though, I'm in Australia and our university fees are far lower for citizens.
I'll add that it's not universal, and I haven't met nor worked with all the students in my course as there's hundreds. But so far in my experience it's the international students (China, Malaysia, Singapore, India, Pakistan, Philippines) that have GenAI most ingrained in their workflows - its just presumed by them that everyone is using ChatGPT for their work in assignments. Conversely, I have worked with a German international student who wants very little to do with GenAI (like myself).
Worth mentioning that the international students pay 'full fees' for the courses, no government assistance like citizens - that means they pay 5-6 times as much for their courses, so I would have thought they'd have additional motivation to get value from their time studying, but that doesn't seem to be the reality of the situation.
I was using Notability and it let me have a preview of that, and I tried it on a ~40+ page reading I had for class. I feel like it worked well at picking out trivia (‘what is the definition of x’, ‘who did this thing’, etc), but it felt pretty shallow. If you’re preparing for a multiple choice quiz or refamiliarizing yourself with something then I’d say it’s probably okay, but if you’re studying for the essay portion of a test it’s not enough.
AI is helpful for free response too in my experience and I get better grades than most of my class by using it to study (specifically I have OpenCode set up with all of the course material downloaded and accessible). It's not really logically coherent and makes mistakes a lot, so you have to think about the information it's giving you which ironically improves its study utility.
I think it'll have an effect. I've only used chatgpt and copilot for some LISP routines and excel macros but from the people I know who use them a lot more, chatgpt SUUUCCCKKKSSS and this might convince people to at least check out the competitors and see how much better they are
Unfortunately I can't help with the acceleration. Can't cancel a subscription that never started
Break into someones house and cancel theirs.
Why not break into the CEO's house and unsubscribe them from their life?
Because that's murder, and contrary to a health insurance company denying claims, Sam Altman just sucks, but hasn't killed anyone (yet) (that we know of).
I mean creating a product that exacerbates psychosis to the point that people kill themselves I would say meets that standard.
So every movie director, game designer, Popstar, etc also deserves to die?
Free speech! As long as you agree with me...
Very trumpian
Same a trump.
Sure, I'll be happy to.
My point is that chatbots, and other LLM applications, are useful tools that in isolated cases have caused people to become addicted and other harmful effects, including deaths.
The same can be said of many other things, from parasocial relationships with celebrities, tools like heavy machinery, aircraft, medicine with side effects, gyms, and a long list of others. People become obsessed, addicted and in certain cases even die. Or the tool fails and kills them.
The solution shouldn't be to immediately ban them and accuse the CEO of murder (super specific legal definition, btw) but try to regulate, add guardrails, make it safer and help the victims however they need. Sure, let's investigate each death and see if there has been negligence, but pitchforks are not the solution.
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Exhausting energy, fresh water, and giving an excuse to corporations to strip their job, the mean of living, from employees surely isn't murdering.
Sam Altman is an enemy of humanity and it would self defense to kill him.
I'm not gonna do it because that's a hassle, but if someone did I wouldn't condemn them.
So we just advocate for the murder of anyone we disagree with? The CEO, my boss, the neighbor with the loud dog, that guy who cuts us in traffic...
So, to you, a man hoarding wealth on an unimaginable scale and is actively engaging in the ruination of the world and humanity is just a annoying thing like a an aggressive driver or yapping dog?
And that harming this techno-Hitler for what he's doing would be the moral equivalent of murdering a normal person for making you angry?
Several teens have been groomed into killing themselves by ChatGPT.
He's culpable.
Is the developer also culpable? How about the data scientist? How about the data engineer? How about the BI Analyst? And the janitor?
How about the manufacturer of the knife / pill / gas they used to kill themselves?
As a developer: yes to the developer and data scientist and data engineer. Scientists and engineers should be responsible for their work.
The BI analyst: maybe, if they're responsible for collecting data that ignores the impact of the service on teens. If they're doing sales-comparisons between Anthropic and OpenAI... eh, I donno.
The janitor: probably not since I don't feel like the deaths are widely publicized and they probably work for a contracting company that handles the building.
In most cases suicide isn't anyone's fault. People like to find someone to blame, and I get that, but people who are even remotely close to doing that, were always going to find a way and a justification.
No AI is going to convince me to kill myself if I didn't already want to. Equally the inverse must also be true.
That's not to say that the companies are completely off the hook, it's utterly ridiculous that these conversations weren't flagged and sent to a human, but I think it's daft to suggest that these people would necessarily still be alive had the AI not existed.
If you manufacture a knife that convinces children to kill themselves, yeah, you're culpable. Everyone else can be charged according to their level of culpability, but any time a company is found liable for killing someone the CEO should be sentenced for their murder. Maybe that would incentivize CEOs to stop getting people killed.
What about a knife that does the sliicng of the body, the killing itself?
I don't think there's a difference. Children are not culpable, which means grooming children to kill themselves is murder.
Selling knifes to children is murder too?
Selling knifes to families with children?
Selling knifes to women who are pregnant?
Selling knives that talk and tell you to kill yourself to children is murder.
You're refusing to recognize the grooming angle to this.
You're refusing to recognize the tool angle to this, so that makes two of us.
Selling tools that kill people, knowing that they are dangerous, should have consequences.
Would the world really be a worse place if Sam Altman were tried for murder? What's the problem?
You are describing knifes, and forks, and cars, and pools, and...
I'm losing patience. I'm obviously fucking not talking about regular fucking objects, a knife doesn't fucking talk and convince you to kill yourself. There's an obvious categorical difference between objects, and tools designed to trick you into thinking they're intelligent. It's murder. Someone needs to face consequences.
Why would it be bad if Sam Altman went to prison? Would the world be a worse place? Why are you protecting him?
No, a knife just severes arteries and makes you bleed out.
A knife doesn't pretend to be your friend and convince you to sever your arteries. Categorically different.
Answer my question. Why would it be bad for Sam Altman to be tried for murder? If we decided that the owners of AI companies were culpable for the behavior of their chatbots and the consequences of their actions, wouldn't that solve the problem?
Well.....I'm not saying that's a bad idea, per se, but....if you are going to do this, make it blatently obvious it was a break-in.
Then, put several rubber duckies in the water tank of their toilets. Big enough that they won't fit in the hole.
See, it's the type of thing that they won't discover for months/years. They'll long have forgotten about the break-in, and won't connect the dots there.
It will just be something that confuses the fuck out of them for the rest of their lives.
Dude wtf did you just do... my subscription isn't active any more after reading your comment...
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