The installation was very easy! It's very greatful that my data doesn't send to Google any more.

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[–] 122 points 8 months ago (56 children)

im still waiting for the linux phone of my dreams tbh

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  • [–] 69 points 8 months ago (50 children)

    Graphene really is the next best thing. If you can get your hands on a used Pixel or splurge for a new one, you won't regret converting. At least until there's a production-ready gnuPhone

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (30 children)

    I don't really understand why Pixel is that evryone likes/they support.
    I can't accept the fact that there is no external sd card support.
    I believe I am getting old because I am very stuck on this point, even more than the headphone jack.

    Nevermind I just saw Motorola is actually making a deal with gaphene OS. They were my next future phone with sd cards and even styluses- if this goes through, can't wait!

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  • [–] 57 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    Pixels are the main target of aftermarket ROMs because they are reference Android devices with highly available unlocked developer modes. Most companies producing phones do things like add propriety changes that require substantial workarounds for relatively basic hardware functionality and make it much more difficult to even install an aftermarket ROM.

    Really this is all a consequence of capitalism itself and the need to lock in ecosystems to establish controlled markets (allowing for controlling one's own profit). Every phone could be fully unlockable and hackable by the end user, but companies specifically prevent this in order to maximize their own profits.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Apple did a hell of a job teaching people that means it’s more fancy.

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  • [+] -15 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah but apple actually takes care of its customers. They are one of the few ones that is exactly what it seems, and isn't expensive or cheap. Most people saying apple devices are overpriced simply aren't the target demographic for the products.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    isn't expensive

    Bullshit. Upgrading from 1 TB of internal storage to 2 TB on a laptop is not a $250 expense. Before the memory crisis, I could have bought a brand new M.2 SSD with the full 2 TB for less than that.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    yeah but it is nearly double that now

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I did say before the memory crisis. It's not a bad deal now comparatively with everything else being overpriced, but that doesn't change the fact that Apple hardware is itself overpriced.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I also like having expanded storage. But if you actually care about privacy?

    You want the minimum amount of data on your phone at any given time. Your recent camera roll, any cached music and apps, and that is really it. Everything should be offloaded to your private storage ASAP

    Because for as shit as google and apple are? You can also remote wipe those devices. less effective if it is a government agent that has it, but it is a thing. And, depending on the storage setup, that sd card might be raw dogging it to begin with.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It shouldn't be difficult for a custom ROM like GrapheneOS to make the user explicitly allow a microSD card to be mounted if that would cause any security issues.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    And welcome to software development. Every feature needs time (money), engineers (money), and testing (money). With most testing continuing in perpetuity because any pull request could break it.

    And when you add on that graphene is a nonprofit baked FOSS project... Well, if it is as simple as you think it is then get to making a pull request, I guess?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I understand sd card is a security risk. But you don't have to use it.
    The utility is the key.
    I'm just 100% against corporations enshittificating their products so you pay hundreds more for a 50$ part.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    It is because there are hardware security features that most other Android phones do not support and Graphene OS is going for maximum security and privacy. Besides, they're coming out with their own hardware by partnering with Motorola shortly.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I can't accept the fact that there is no external sd card support.

    OK, this is going to sound dismissive, and I really don't mean it to be. But why?

    For data transfer, you can still use the USB port (I do it all the time). Other than that, there's more than enough storage available onboard for any reasonable amount of usage. I don't even really keep anything critical on my device at all, so what there is is kind of overkill already.

    I just don't understand the need for an SD card with storage being as plentiful now as it is. I want to understand.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If you want to carry your whole music library around, a big SD card makes that work. I understand streaming is the trendy thing and I was using Navidrome myself, but I rolled back my plan and switched to SD card for it. I've saved money.

    Another use case is for carrying a heap of ROMs. I've also done this until I realised gaming on my phone was uncomfortable and bought a dedicated device.

    Having the SD card wasn't a dealbreaker for me when I bought this phone but I do really like having it.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm a data hog. Storage is cheap and it should be available on my phone also.
    People always saying physical Media is important, and most of the time they tink of cds and dvds.
    I use my sd cards for physical Media sorage.
    I used my camera and accidentally recorded 40 gigs of video.
    With external card I do not have to worry.
    Music, books, picture heavy pdfs, movies full tv series sits comfortably in my palm.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Interesting. Thanks for letting me know.

    I think of myself as a data hog also, but only on my computer; I'm mostly a minimalist on my phone.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    It really depends on how much you are using your phone.
    If I would go back 20 years I would be attached to my desktop pc and my ebook reader pocket pc. ln that case I would not need extra storage for my phone. Tho thinking of it... I had two different external cards for that handheld even back then. :)

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    They're not that impressive specs wise, somewhere between mid range and a "real" flagship that has a Snapdragon Elite chip. The only reason to get it is the top of the line security features that allow GrapheneOS to function. Or the software if you're into Ai and such and don't want Graphene, but that's like the opposite of privacy.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Is it actually usable for everyday stuff though? I heard that bank apps are pain in the ass among other things. Maybe this new deal with Motorola changes things.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    (Edit: Maybe) You can't do mobile deposit, but surely you can still just use the bank's website.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I have been using it for 2+ years exclusively. I had a few issues with mobile deposit with my old credit union, but I moved to a new one and it works. So does the Discover app. Pretty much everything else is great, and I worry much less about my phone spying on me.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I'd argue that Graphene is a better thing since it's based on an OS that's been designed for mobile from the ground up. I expect it's going to be a while before Linux UX on mobile catches up to desktop, but Graphene works great already.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Sad thing is that Linux used to be ahead on phones. Everyone swore by N900 and it was sabotaged by ms buykilling Nokia.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    It would've been a cool world if we got Linux that could work seamlessly between desktop and mobile. Imagine if you had architecture where apps were built as services with an API, and then you could connect either desktop or mobile UI to them. Heck, at that point you could even make custom UIs across apps, or pipe them together the way you do with shell scripts. And then you could also have a device like a phone which has all your apps and data, and you could plug it into a dock with more memory, GPU, etc. So, you wouldn't have to juggle a bunch of devices and sync data between them.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    By those standards, Halium + ubports might be worth while, it's using enough of the android binaries to get the job done but is still real linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    For most use cases though, you don't really have much of a benefit of running Linux over Android on a phone though. There's enough Linux compatibility on Android already to make it work seamlessly with your Linux devices. In my opinion, as long as the stack is open source and well supported, it doesn't really matter whether it's Android or Linux based.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    what about something like fairphone? why is pixel better?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The Pinephone was a fun expiriment. I want that pinboard switch on other devices, but the linux dev/update cycle is very unconducive to the needs of most daily drivers.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    what kinds update cycle do you mean? cuz with a bigger userbase that will be greatly improved im sure, i use arch (btw) and i would love a similar experience on a phone. Maybe librephone will get the stone rolling. One can dream.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm pre invested in the launch of the next Jolla phone, which runs sailfish

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I am waiting on the release of the Volla Phone Plinius. Gonna get the one with ubuntu touch. TBH the only reason for that, is that I really lioe how it looks. I don't really enjoy the look of the Jolla with the notch and the huge bottom bezel. But I am just nitpicky. They both don't use the mainline linux kernel. But maybe if enough people switch, hardware manufacturers will be forced to provide mainline linux firmware instead of OEMs having to create their own custom linux kernel.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    Welcome ! Quick tip: Google has a database of cell towers that helps getting a location quickly and helps starting the GPS connection even indoors.

    You don't have that on GOS. So when you use localization with organic maps, you'll notice it struggle to find you. You have to have a clear view to the sky to get a ping and then you can use it inside your car for example.

    I also use https://github.com/barbeau/gpstest to get the ping more quickly.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    GrapheneOS has some services of its own that improve location speed and accuracy when enabled: SUPL and PSDS. They're both implemented in ways that try to preserve privacy. See here for more info:

    https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections

    With these enabled, it's usually quick to get your precise location.

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  • [+] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Welcome to the fold!

    Just a heads up, GOS doesn't recommend the F-droid app as apparently there's some security concerns. SideOfBurritos on YouTube talks more about it. An app like Droidify or Neo Store would be better and still uses the same F-Droid repositories. I use and really like Obtanium which allows you to download and manage apps directly from their websites, GitHub, F-Droid, & more.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Seconded on Obtainium. Basically any FOSS app is gonna have a repo there with releases regardless, and you can always just use an f-droid repository if they only publish releases there.

    Plus, way easier to export a list of installed apps to restore them at a later date!

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    and you can always just use an f-droid repository if they only publish releases there.

    So Obtainium users can install F-Droid apps through Obtainium?

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Yep! It's not the same experience as F-Droid (e.g. it's not gonna be you scrolling through a list of apps, picking the one you want, and hitting install. Obtainium is more of a "get the URL to where the app's releases are, paste it in here, add it, then hit install, plus you might have to do a little config so it selects the right release if there are multiple", but once it's set up, it's set up.

    I fully replaced the F-Droid app with Obtainium for actually installing and updating apps, but I still keep the F-Droid app around just because I can go on there, search up apps, do a little browsing, then take the app I want and put it in Obtainium.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Good to know. Any informative reads on this? I like burritos but prefer them as the main dish.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Here's the Side of Burritos video with two followup videos in the description (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzpVI4zaso0)

    I don't really know much about it to be honest, and the video is pretty old, and someone in the comments says the issue is fixed but I haven't seen that anywhere else. I just use Obtanium anyway since you can get most FOSS apps from GitHub, a for ones that don't, you can still find F-Droid apps. SideOfBurritos also has a more recent video about how to set up and use Obtanium if you're interested.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Is there a way to install Obtainium other than downloading it from a seemingly random website?

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    You can always add widgets if you want something to break up the gridded icons. 🫡 Welcome to the fam.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (6 children)
    • Breezy Weather
    • ProgressBars (for displaying days until payday as a desktop icon)
    • AnotherMonitor (to display remaining SSD space on an icon)
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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Breezy Weather is abs excellent. Perfectly functional but also looks beaut! Not something you often see in open source. Highly recommended!

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Where do you get it from. Aurora doesn't list it for my pixel 9. F-droid?

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Welcome to serenity in the middle of the storm. Isn't it great at first boot after install where you only have a clean canvas with a couple of apps and absolutely no bloat?

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Cheers mate. I'm running GrapheneOS on my Pixel 9a.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    How do you take a picture of your phone?

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