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[–] 159 points 8 months ago (5 children)

For any US soldier reading this thread: you are attacking another country to cover up for your pedophile president.

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    [–] 248 points 8 months ago (23 children)

    Who the fuck will trust the US when they bomb you during peace talks

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  • [–] 232 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    Trump did this last term too, we killed their intelligence chief when he landed for peace talks with Iraq.

    This is a war crime, BTW. Attacking someone under a perceived state of truce or ceasefire is called "perfidy".

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    And was, IIRC, widely praised for it by the pundit class.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I think the "beauty of our weapons" and "Trump became president today" was a different instance from the Soleimani killing.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    There were multiple instances. I remember... I think it was Isikoff, asking "are you celebrating" or something to that effect. The only thing stopping universal praise was how scared people were it would start a war. That's currently starting.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Hmm maybe, don't know much about him personally(but probably do his work) I just remember TV media pundits, especially the so called anti Trump media pundits, having an orgasm on TV over bombing on Syria I think.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Oh, yeah, that one definitely happened. The minute it looked like Trump was gonna play ball on their plans for Syria, the entire foreign policy apparatus stopped giving a shit about anything else he did.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    What did Trump say recently? Something like: "I have no need for international law. The only thing that can stop me is my own morality." (Obviously, the wrong words, because he doesn't speak that well, but the same meaning.) We all know what his morality is like. He's OK with fucking little girls, and, possibly, killing them. The only morals he has is doing things to benefit himself.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    War crimes don't mean anything. It is a cudgel the victor uses to do more damage after they win.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    disagree. What Israel did to the palestinians has meaning and is legally defined globally as war crimes. I am not willing to say those laws and global agreements have no real meaning.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I hate to disagree, but laws and rules have no actual meaning if there isn't an enforcement mechanism. Considering how long Israel and the US have been committing war crimes without even the lightest of punishment for those in charge, whatever enforcement is in place is obviously insufficient.

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  • [–] 52 points 8 months ago

    For decades American kids were taught that the Japanese were the lowest of the low because they bombed Pearl Harbor with no warning, also while discussing peace.

    Trump would have heard the story over and over as a lad.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Who the fuck would trust America with Donald Trump on charge. Dude lies to he's suit tailor. That's how vain he is. Add in the fact that he's being blackmailed into this and is a pedophile. I wouldn't trust trump to watch my dog for an hour, let alone nuclear war.

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  • [–] 119 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Just goes to show how much the FIFA peace prize is worth!

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  • [–] 86 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Huh, every single recipient of the FIFA peace prize is a rapist and convicted felon. Odd.

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  • [–] 78 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    Iran signaled thgat they were going to give them everything they asked for so they attacked instead. They never wanted a deal, they wanted a reason to start a new zionist war on the American taxpayers dime.

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  • [–] [S] 36 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Iran already had a nuclear agreement with the USA and other countries, which Trump tore up during his first term before he bombed them. Then a few years later they're about to agree to his replacement deal and, as they prepare to sign, Trump bombs them.

    No one will want to negotiate anything with the USA after Trump's behaviour in the past year. No agreement with the USA is worth the paper it's written on.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    This just taught the world when dealing with the USA you strike first. I'm of the mind this is the start of WW3 now because I doubt the other BRIC countries don't get involved.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I'm of the mind this is the start of WW3 now because I doubt the other BRIC countries don't get involved.

    What? None of them are going to do that for Iran.

    Also what are they going to do...? Even the UK is attacking Iran at this point. And almost every other country doesn't actually give a shit. And hated the Ayatollah.

    Even Iran is going to respond halfheartedly.

    This is why the bullies are doing it.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Iran signaled thgat they were going to give them everything they asked for so they attacked instead.

    When? It was more like they were signalling they'd be willing to go to the mat rather than become a US puppet or whatever Trump had in mind.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Its linked in the main article https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-iran-deal-within-our-reach-oman-mediator-says/

    No enrichment, full inspection by IAEA, no stockpiles.

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago*

    Ah, thank you. I have a strong feeling Oman is leaving bits out, though. Since when has a nuclear deal with Iran been that easy? They have no reason to trust the US, especially after they blew up their own deal the last time. And Trump is hard enough on people who aren't US enemies at a vulnerable moment.

    I'm not the only one who's been saying a confrontation was inevitable. The only real question is how far Trump is willing to go before he TACOs.

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  • [–] 61 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    US: "You can't enrich uranium!"

    Iran: "We reluctantly agree to this term."

    US: Bombs Iran anyway

    We live in a clown country 🤡

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That's not entirely what happened. Though you do live in a clown country.

    After US withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, Iran did continue to still follow the terms for quite a while in hopes that the US would once again rejoin (presumably).

    Then the US assasinated an Iranian general or major, could be mistaken. Either way, they assasinated someone. Iran, shockingly, wasn't all too impressed and quite upset about the whole ordeal, so they said fuck it... if that's how you wanna play, we're gonna do whatever we want.

    And then now, you have US and Israel both striking Iran, with the justification that Iran was "about to strike us first".

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  • [–] 56 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Invite diplomats for peace talks then start bombing their home while their away. So typical.

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  • [–] 46 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Shoutout to Evan Vucci who made the photo that heads the article. It encapsulates the whole situation perfectly: The Don behaves predictively like an angry, lying troll, making smugly grinning Netanyahu's wishes come true.

    They really deserve each other. I just wish somebody gave them a sandbox so they wouldn't have to destroy the world.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago

    The US and israel are not looking for peace.

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  • [–] 40 points 8 months ago

    No foreign wars #2.

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  • [+] 77 points 8 months ago (11 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Who was voted into office by 77 million Americans (knowing full well who he was and what he would do once in office) while 83 million stayed home. 75 million did at least the bare minimum, but they'd spent decades allowing their party to descend into controlled opposition to the point where the best tactic they could think of to oppose Trump was to wave little round signs around in Congress.

    Trump is the full embodiment of the American spirit. He's proudly ignorant, arrogant, petty, and a firm believer in a might-makes-right philosophy. He's also wealthy due to circumstance but firmly believes that he earned it. America has never had a truer representation of their values as President.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I didn't vote for him. should I be included in the "full embodiment of the American spirit"?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Well, think of it this way: does the fact that some parts of the brain of a serial killer protested their acts really matter to the victims? Does it matter in court when they’re sentenced to death? Should that part of their body be judged separately?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    sounds an awful lot like you're just making excuses to be xenophobic.

    are you saying that all Germans are Nazis, or all Africans are savage tribesmen, or maybe that all Australians are criminals?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Dont forget the US democrats, who also ran a pro genocide campaign while still pretending as hard as they can that they never had anything to do with any genocide, and certainly arent compromised in their pursuit of democracy or justice, no sir-ee. This would have happened nearly the same if they had been elected-- just with more theater. The whole American governance system is fundamentally broken and unlikely to fix itself.

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  • [–] 133 points 8 months ago (29 children)

    Well, Trump has now dragged us into a World War on behalf of Israel. Meanwhile people in America starve, are homeless, addicted to opiates, and have no jobs and no healthcare. Everything is unaffordable and the American people are hopeless, and now another endless war.

    Fuck Trump. America First? America fucking Last....

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  • [–] 46 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Don't worry, the AI bubble will probably export unemployment to the rest of the world before it bursts, so everyone can starve

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (20 children)

    I'm not seeing any reason why a world war would erupt over this. China and Russia are glad that the US has entered into another stupid military mess, they have no reason to actively engage, the US is destroying itself all on its own.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Despots back each other up and form an alliance network, because an alliance network is the only way to be powerful against the West. This hits their alliance and long term makes their alliance weaker. However Russia is busy, and China is too reliant on exports.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    There is no alliance between China and Russia and Iran. Iran is a minor player in this. You are regurgitating Bush "axis of evil" nonsense as if it was actually true. China and Russia doesn't care about Iran, and they were never allied to them. They benefited from Iran in various ways then, they will benefit in various ways from this US disaster.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Yeah, I don't know that this will cause a world War, but it does give a pretty nice opening for China to do things it wouldn't be able to do under normal circumstances. They can attack a, supposedly, belligerent neighbor and say it's the same thing the US did to Iran, and the US will be tied up with this conflict for an unknown amount of time. World wars don't start from a single thing. They start from rising tensions across the board. The war with Ukraine and Iran are pieces of a larger conflict.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Saying this is the start of a World War is such a USA-centric brain dead take. Ukraine war is closer to World War than anything that might happen in Iran will ever be.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Ugh.... China is constantly itching while constantly glaring at Taiwan, and (recently) eastern Russia... Distracted 'murica makes braver China

    WW started not suddenly, everybody kinda slowly joined the party

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    China is likely to attack Taiwan while the U.S. is distracted. Pakistan and India could get into it while there's no one available to intervene.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Unlike the US, China isn't governed by a attention-span lacking moron. They want Taiwan, and will not rest until they have it, but they also don't want a war with the US over it, unless they can be certain to win it. This isn't it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think it is likely that the Ukraine war will be widely considered the beginning of a series of events that will later be labeled "the ramp up to WWIII", of which this is an indirect extension.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If you can't connect the dots between Ukraine, Iran, Taiwan, and Venezuela then I simply don't know what to tell you...

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I can. But if you think that the start of WW3 was bombing of Iran, while managing to connect Iran with the war in Ukraine but still think that the actual war in Ukraine was not the start of WW3... I don't even want to know what I would need to tell you...

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Why does it have to involve the big powers for it to be a world war?

    IMO that implies that less powerful countries being in chaos doesn’t matter.

    I always thought world war just meant a lot of countries in a related conflict.

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    [–] 21 points 8 months ago

    One way to cover up the Trump-Epstein-Gate cover-up.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    It proves once again one cannot trust the USA and Israel under their current regimes.

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