Leftists: "you have 2 years to generate a candidate that doesnt support genocide" DNC: "So you are just gonna let Trump win? "

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[–] 68 points 8 months ago (1 child)

I'm not that sure that history will give a shit about US American Democrats or US American Republicans.

Those labels will be lost. "US American" concentration camps, disappearing citizens, ignoring court orders, death squads ... there will be no "oh that was just the Republicans"; it will be "oh that was just the Americans".

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  • [–] 51 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It's not even generate a candidate that doesn't support genocide, it's literally just not stand in the way of or conspire against such a candidate, but naturally the DNC and their controlled opposition functionaries can't even manage to do the right thing by doing nothing at all.

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago*

    If the electoral system only lets you choose leaders who don't align with the majority, it's not a democracy. It's a dictatorship with extra steps.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    How the fuck would the dnc generate a lefty candidate? Thats like asking the circus to generate something other than a clown.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    This meme sums up the US in a big way. No responsibility.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    Man, you really just have to post "I refuse to support genocide" to bring the blue maga nazis out of the woodwork.

    It's very simple: I refuse to support genocide.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Oh no, your empire, the one with the "other policies", just attacked iran bipartisanly

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    Of course you don't give a shit about other countries. Defending the holy DNC while they are mass murdering.

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    You care more about posturing and virtue signaling your purity than you care about other countries.

    -Guy who supports genocide and imperialism against other countries and is now talking like a 2015 pepe the frog poster

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  • [+] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    This is the point where you guys always turn into anime villains bragging about "Hahaha, you failed to save your little friends!" Weird, serial killer-ass gloating from someone who directly voted for them to be killed.

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  • [+] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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    This could have been prevented

    Not by voting for it, you gaslighting nazi freak. Save your crocodile tears for when a firing squad sends you to hell after Nuremburg 2

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    You both are right but one is more consequential. Let's dive in:

    Bombing Iran does not have bipartisan support, many Dems are voicing their opposition. The Dems even advanced a bill where the president would need congressional review to specifically bomb Iran in this instance.

    The President making unilateral military decisions like bombing Iran does have bipartisan support. The Dems have not challenged it's constitutionality or proposed significant changes on this front and instead go for a case by case congressional veto. This policy also aides in our genocidal program of Gaza...

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    sure, they only massively deported brown people, started wars, helped genociders etc....
    As long as none of those democratic 'other policies' targeted white americans you kept your mouth shut. you deserve this, and more.
    fuck all you scumbags

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    [–] 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I am reminded of two quotes from Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail '72 by Hunter S. Thompson:

    How many more of these stinking, double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote FOR something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?

    Jesus! Where will it end? How low do you have to stoop in this country to be President?

    How low? Now, I guess we know. Voting for the lesser evil for 50 years has got you Trump. Twice. How much lower are you going to go?

    I have no solutions. Things will probably have to break completely before the mending can begin.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/i-wont-vote/

    Since I was twenty-one in 1889, I have in theory followed the voting plan strongly advocated by Sidney Lens in The Nation of August 4, i.e., voting for a third party even when its chances were hopeless, if the main parties were unsatisfactory; or, in absence of a third choice, voting for the lesser of two evils

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  • [+] -13 points 8 months ago (19 children)
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    i'm the kind of person that ice is actively hunting down (and was caught back in the 1980's by ice's predecessor) and refusing to vote for a pro-empire candidate; trump or not; is the only way to reverse ice's existence.

    ice has been an incoming thing since 2001. the republicans have accelerated it, the democrats are actively refusing to abolish or reverse it, so supporting either democrats or republicans will not reverse it.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    actually, from a historical perspective, it's been the Dems who have accelerated ICE. Biden and especially Obama were much more instrumental in the agency coming into more and more power. Trump's getting to play with the toy now, but it was bought by Dems.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Being able to vote blue no matter who and going back to brunch with the only change being LGBT flavoured concentration camps and bombs going to to Israel must be nice. Blue MAGA mindset is disgusting

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    No matter how you spin there's an obvious worse option because the alternative (including resigning to vote) includes that and more.

    Obviously there should be a straight up better option that doesn't include that but you've gotta pick the best option out of those you're dealt. A small step towards good, even if just a side step is better than leaping head first into the maw of evil. Something your votes do give you some agency over.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    The Democrats are already guilty of genocide, both parties are the greater evil. Why is it not even an option to try and push the Democrats slightly to the left of fascism?

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    The choice between genocide and slightly less genocide is no choice at all. That’s like asking someone to choose between being stabbed in the lung or the heart. Both are likely to kill you. Any reasonable person in that situation would be doing everything in their power to find another way. Arguing that being stabbed in the lung is somehow the rational choice is ridiculous.

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    Okay that's cool, thanks for accepting this treatment. Now it's election time again, would you like to be stabbed in the heart once, or twice?

    Now it's election time again, would you like to be stabbed in the heart twice, or three times?

    Three times, or shot in the head?

    Shot in the head once, or twice?

    You are a frog in boiling water

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    The actionable choice has nothing to do with voting. It has everything to do with organizing, be it in your workplace or your community. You have to create structures that can actually hamstring the power of the state to oppress you and those you care about. You can argue these are unrealistic or not actionable but history shows us that this is actually how progress is made. Even in the US the abolitionist movement, labor movement, and the civil rights movement did not win their demands through strategic voting.

    If you want to argue that getting stabbed in the lung is more survivable… okay sure. But you’re an idiot if you think fighting back and trying to disarm your attacker isn’t the rational choice, especially when Americans by and large can’t just pick up and leave. It’s fight or flight but you’re here arguing for people to just accept their demise.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    You aren't asking a big enough question to actually grasp what the lesser evil even is.

    The first question you really want to ask is "what is the primary contradiction?" We can discuss what that might be, US hegemony or Western imperialism or neocolonialism, but this will inform our understanding of how we should vote. Only once we identify the primary contradiction should we cast our votes in whatever way will advance the struggle against it.

    Let's say we identify US hegemony as the primary contradiction. Does voting for Harris help advance the struggle against US hegemony? No! She would have been a fine steward of the empire, if she was president the hegemon would be in better shape than it is under Trump and the struggle against it would be even harder.

    Trump is wrecking the empire, and in light of this, Trump winning is actually a lesser evil. What we see under Trump is the US pulling back from all of its soft-power while threatening its own allies. Yes, it has become more violent, but the violence isn't a sign of strength. The US is in a weaker position than it has ever been in my life. All is chaos under heaven, the situation is excellent.

    But, if Trump winning was the lesser evil, does that mean we vote for Trump? Also no! It's important for him to not actually ever be popular within the US, because that also erodes his own legitimacy among the US population and makes the US itself harder to govern. The fact that he "won" with 49.9% of the vote isn't the best outcome, better would be losing the popular vote again, but it's still good because forcing USAmericans to confront the weakness of their elections also weakens its position as the hegemon. They look at their own elections, look at Trump winning twice without ever getting a majority, and ask "do we live in a democracy?"

    (The answer is no by the way.)

    His unpopularity is why there was an uprising against ICE in Minnesota. There wouldn't even be protests against ICE if Harris was president, and there weren't under Biden despite him deporting more than Trump in his first term, but under Trump people can easily see what they have always been: colonial occupation troops. Under Democrats the streets are empty, under Trump the people fight back. The BLM uprisings happened under Trump, but it was Bill Clinton that gave us the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 to fill the prisons with Black people. This has to be factored in when we ask what the lesser evil is.

    They're both great evils, so identifying the primary contradiction is the only way we can identify what is to be done.

    Notably, this is not accelerationism. The goal here isn't to make things worse so they get better. The goal is to make the US empire weaker, because we have identified US hegemony as the primary contradiction and that's what we are struggling against. Revolutionary defeatism, in other words.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    The lesser evil is actually a mass armed uprising, but you privileged fascists-in-denial reject that course out of hand because it might personally inconvenience you, and would rather knowingly support Holocaust 2 than lift a finger for humanity.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    You guys always cope any acknowledgement of what's gonna have to be done with "I will not stop caping for genocide until you provide me your exact actionable information plus detailed plans for insurrection" ok officer, would you prefer a pdf or a text document?

    Lets be real, I could give you every detail and you would still look for reasons to decide it pales in comparison to your strategy of uh...going 99% Hitler to win elections and still losing.

    Join your local communist party and start organizing with your neighborhood like the rest of us, dude. I promise it's less scary when you're not alone. As it stands, you chose evil over courage.

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  • [+] -5 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You say that β€œI will not lift a finger to defy genocide until you provide me with detailed plans for insurrection”.

    Yeah. That was unfair. You won't lift a finger to defy genocide under any circumstances whatsoever.

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  • [+] -9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

    Rhetorical: Omg again? With same exact picture? In not really political comm?

    (Disclaimer: not US citizen)

    Go and vote in primaries for candidates you want, so maybe you get someone decent (so "no matter who" part is eliminated), apply pressure to them right now. Until you have enough power and support to create new party from scratch (and have it catch third of population instantly somehow, including republicans) or overthrow current system altogether, you have to work within it.

    Also: in famous thought experiment, named Trolley problem, do you call yourself murderer (genocider) if you decide to push the lever?

    I myself had different and conflicted opinions during those years, arguments for voting blue and third party (or abstaining) both look quite convincing, at least for not well versed in politics me. Ugh.

    Looking forward to mod award on this post.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    The Democratic National Committee (DNC) has admitted that it can choose whoever it wants regardless of the primaries, as evidenced by the decision to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee.

    https://theconversation.com/democratic-partys-choice-of-harris-was-undemocratic-and-the-latest-evidence-of-party-leaders-distrusting-party-voters-236002

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/david-hogg-disrupts-democratic-party-rcna202202

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    It’s not common knowledge but there is no legal requirement for either party to run democratic primary elections. They used to just pick candidates with no public input. They opened up voting as a concession to their supporters. However, they did so in a way that allows party officials to tip the scales in their favor.

    The cruel irony is that the democrats actually have a less democratic primary than republicans simply because their voters interests are not aligned with the interests of party officials. Of course republicans party officials don’t care about democracy either but neither do their voters.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    There are people inside too, though.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Did you ever, in your whole time of thinking whether you should vote, realize, that you can't actually vote, or does bluemaga logic not bother with those unimportant details?

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  • [+] -13 points 8 months ago (26 children)

    At this point staying home helps Trump. It's the fucking reason he's there. Trump votes stayed consistent with 2020 but Dems votes dropped by millions. You saying Harris would be just as bad? This view is pushed by billionaires to help get fascists elected.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Top Democratic officials who worked on the party's still-secret autopsy of the 2024 election concluded that Kamala Harris lost significant support because of the Biden administration's approach to the war in Gaza, Axios has https://web.archive.org/web/20260223002443/https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza

    Wow, maybe dont run pro-genocide candidates if you want your base to Vote for you? Or do you think the cult-like devotion of the republicans is a positive democrats should follow?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (23 children)

    approximately 10 million and the dems still refuses to change their game, but it'll be worse next time because of epstein and iran.. in addition to gaza.

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    it's not about retribution, it's about complicity w genocides; wars for profit; and baby raping/killing/eating.

    people are slowly becoming disaffected and now there's so many who won't participate that aren't enough 3rd party voters to make up the difference.

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  • [+] -9 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Dont tell me mate. Tell those stupid voters!

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    they're not stupid, they're disaffected and ignoring why they're disaffected will lead to more people not voting.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    And more trump. But somehow its not their problem.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    You're so devoted to genocide that you long ago learned that it's a losing issue, but refuse to abandon it anyway.

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    Youre so devoted to your issue yould give your kids to a literal child rapist because you were against corruption and outside of raping kids, the rapist had a pretty clean track record on corruption.

    Only trump doesnt have a clean record on curruption. But youre fine with that. Like how youre trying to distract trom thr fact that his israel now attacked iran. Oh well.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Youre so devoted to your issue yould give your kids to a literal child rapist

    I voted for Harris. I also knew that she was going to lose if she didn't abandon your only policy.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Well apparently the rest of the sitouts didnt feel the same way. Apparently also youre proud of the land they built for you. Good on you then. Your anger is misdirected.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Well apparently the rest of the sitouts

    Genocidal shit makes it a point to demonstrate that they never listen to anyone not named netanyahu.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Thats exactly why the sitouts sat out. Because of gaza they let trump win again, and everyone is paying the price. The party is what it aleays has been. Voting either way in 2024 wouldnt have changed that. But not voting trump would have avoided all this shit, and we could then figure out how to fix the party, you know, by not ignoring the midterms. Only now he IS in power, we ARE deep in shit, Gaza is worse off than it has ever been, netanyahu is still impudent as ever, and it remains to be seen whether the midterms still matter to these idiots.

    Oh, and iran burns. Watch people now spin that as a good thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why are you trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already went the way you wanted? You got your genocide and that's the only thing you care about. You were willing to accept all of this as long as no one got the choice to vote against the genocide you and all centrists masturbate to.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Im not trying to convince you of shit. Im trying to understand why other morons sat it out like trump disnt matter abf now here we are. Like i said, your anger ia misdirected. Continuing to get more and more crude just indicates whatnim deling with. Youve misread ny intent from the get go. Good job. English must not be your strong suit. Im not pro genocide. Im anti trump. You conflated my support for anyone other than trump for supoirt for genocide. Fuck you.

    Edit: fuck me. A typo.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Im trying to understand why other morons sat it out like trump disnt matter abf now here we are.

    Because some people won't vote for genocide.

    Like i said, your anger ia misdirected.

    I very much doubt it is.

    Im not anti genocide

    Yeah, you're pro-genocide and NOTHING ELSE.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    They will be shown as many times as it takes for you to demand better than blue hitler

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Ok. Enjoy your trump then. All of it. All were saying is right the boat first, then fix the problem. Guess hitting the iceberg is an 'acceptable loss'.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    You think genocide of the Other is an acceptable price to pay to delay having to fight fascism. You have rolled over and collaborated with the nazis because resistance is unfathomable to you. You are a nazi collaborator, and no amount of projecting that guilt will change what you signed your name to.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Iike i said: enjoy all your trump then.

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    Sure buddy. Im sure Iran and gaza thank your sitouts for their 'principles'. Cuba next.

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  • [+] -9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    'Lol but everyone knows midterms and primaries arent important!'

    (Proceeds to complain about quality of candidates during the presidential)

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