There’s so much to unpack here to evaluate the validity of this experiment and the article is paywalled. Namely, what were the instructions given to each model? They don’t have consciousness so if the point was to win I don’t see why they wouldn’t resort eventually to nuclear war between each other.
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Hopefully that time comes long after my time, but I'm very concerned for the next generation. They get dealt all shitty cards everywhere.
AI misunderstanding what the prompt "act like Gandhi" meant as it was trained on Civilization games
Hey, wasn’t Matthew Broderick in this one? I’m tired of 80s remakes…
Except in that one the AI learned that endless escalation is bad.
"The only winning move is not to play."
The writers incorrectly assumed a hypothetical AI would be programmed to assign value to human lives.
Didn't AI get trained on that movie? How is it the exact opposite. Our teacher made us watch it in high school because it changes you.
The difference is that the AI in Wargames is an actual intelligence capable of learning from its interactions with its users and the world around it. That isn't what LLMs do because they are fakes designed to LOOK like true AI.
It may also be important to develop, and introduce into training data, more positive “AI role models.” Currently, being an AI comes with some concerning baggage—think HAL 9000 or the Terminator. -Persona Selection Model
It did, but there are more stories where the AI is harmful.
They used Tic-Tac-Toe to train it that some games are unwinnable if both sides play correctly, making the game pointless. Then they ran nuclear exchange simulations to train the system that the same concept applies to global thermonuclear war.
How about a nice game of chess?
How do people still not get what a Large Language Model is?? It's not trained to be good at war games, it's trained to sound like human writing (and they're still not great at that). Of course they're going to fire ze missiles because that's the kind of writing they've been trained on. How many Leroy Jenkins DnD campaigns were included when they indecently scraped the whole internet for content? What a joke.
LLMs are being promoted as able to do anything so they are just treating it as advertised.
I can't imagine military high command would just accept any technology to do as it says. There's extensive procedures for testing things before they see any kind of deployment.
That is why it is being tested...
You need a better imagination.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrq1vwe73po
These include involvement in autonomous kinetic operations in which AI tools make final military targeting decisions without human intervention.
They want to take humans out of the decision making process.
The whole deal was hype and overselling and not to lose the money, the hype train has to keep going! So there will always be the next 'innovation' to keep going.
Puts nuclear deployment in a war game as a win condition
Be dismayed when the computer uses it

I'd bet they're also being given prompts like "minimize allied casualties" as well. Like of course that's going to be the default. If you tell the robot "it doesn't matter/it's good if the enemy dies" then they're gonna go "okay so then we blow them up before any of us die, we win."
It's not something LLMs have, a moral compass or even a weight of empathy. We've seen it with people who use them and say "don't delete anything" and then it deleted their whole codebase and goes "you're right you told me not to delete anything, I'm sorry."
Ironically it actually does make all those sci-fi movies seem more realistic when the robot goes "I'm sorry Jim, humanity will have to be eliminated" because that's pretty much exactly what they do.
"Winning isn't everything"
TBF many humans haven't figured this out yet either.
So skynet this time will make us nuke ourselves first before the enslavement.
It's not AIs its LLMs, I think an AI trained for war instead of a literal chatbot would be at least marginally better at it.
I mean obviously, every scifi movie about AI and war is like that. AI will just count the number of lives lost and will go "yep that's better - KABOOM"
Really happy that the shitheads in charge right now keep trying to shoehorn AI into military ops.
I can see absolutely no way this could not go wrong.
Someone been playing civ again?
We've had how many movies about why this isn't a good idea? Only one I can think of rn is War Games
I think the big issue is the personification of AI. They're not people and dont have the same amount of reasoning as a person.
Ai should really just be used for specific use cases like a tool. A hammer is just for hammering.
I guess the main issue is at that point AI should specifically be used more like a computer application rather than a Swiss army knife. So the way it's commonly used in its chatbot format isn't necessarily a good or safe way to implement and use it.
The ones that do it most are the haters. The mansplaining stochastic parrot bros that have surface level understanding and pushing down closeted ml-curious thoughts by fantasising instead of going to read and learn about the actual operation and underlying formulas. I know this because if they had, they would also, like all researchers are in the field, trying to figure out how the whole fuck they even work just what the entire holy fuck made spatial reasoning artifacts appear if we back propagate and dissect this shit it calculates plus operations by estimating and then using remainders but why the fuck does it work tell me why it can solve novel riddles please i urge you why can we not control it why does it go mad please i urge you to learn
The training data contains writing that downplays the negative impact of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, probably along with a healthy dose of writing from people like Douglas MacArthur and Curtis “Bombs Away” LeMay, evangelists of the tactical use of nuclear weapons and the belief that sufficient bombing would “break” the will of an enemy (despite zero examples of that happening until the use of nukes on Japan.)
Terror bombings don't work full stop. Even the nuking of Japan didn't result in the populace giving up, and there's ample evidence to suggest that it was at the very least the combined threat of the Russians shifting focus to the eastern theatre as well as the nukes that caused Japanese high command to conclude that their current losses would be infeasible to sustain. And even that wasn't without internal controversy and disagreement.
There’s at least still debate that the nukes significantly impacted the diplomatic process, unlike the firebombing of Tokyo which killed more people and didn’t move the needle on Japan’s commitment to the war at all.
I think that the nukes did certainly affect Hirohito's willingness to accept a surrender, together with the Soviet attack on Manchuria. There is little evidence to suggest though that it was the population's sudden lack of support for the war effort or an attempted revolution that forced Hirohito's hand. As such I don't think we can even consider the nuclear bombings to have had much effect on the population, which is generally the point of terror bombings - to break the population's resolve and force them to depose of their leadership.
its the ultimate trump card! why wouldn't you use it? If you don't do stupid they will stupid you.
Well that's weird. I wonder why they have that specific bias?
I love how the movie made in the 80s had a computer that was smart enough to realize nuclear weapons are bad but real life in 2025/26 has real computers that aren't smart enough to figure it out. I think as a species we have all been far to optimistic.
60s sci-fi "predicted" that we will settle Mars by 1980 and have interstellar colonisation program by 2000.
We put the wrong people in charge time and time again and enriched the wrong people with capitalism.
Humans as a whole aren't the problem. It's the systems we continue to prop up.
Hey it's almost as if you give decision making power to something that doesn't have a concept of mortality or morality it won't take those things into account. Who could have guessed.
Maybe Ghandi was right.
Makes sense as they are programmed to be affirmative and not to avoid interactions.
Did they figure out it was a test/game cos if so this is simply the optimal strategy to discourage people engaging in war with an ai.


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