Only Valve? I can name a few more companies.
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I am often in the comments of threads like this trying to explain how things people don't fully understand are in fact complicated.
Nope.
Not here.
Sue Valve over this, I hope they lose.
Yeah I dunno if currently existing law is or isn't sufficient to actually render a guilty verdict here...
... but I hope it is.
Lootboxes are bullshit, Valve does a lot of good, but this ain't that.
Stole mom's credit card to buy CS2 gun skins?
Yeah, if you wanna make the argument that a credit card is sufficient to screen if somebody is an adult or not, might be a good idea to, you know, not allow kids to gamble with mom's credit card.
Full NY AG press release:
The actual lawsuit filing:
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/court-filings/new-york-v-valve-corporation-complaint-2026.pdf
On one hand: I just want my Steam Frame so I can put a real, actual computer on my face and escape into it and dev on it, dammit. I bet the gambling allows them to take risks like that.
... On the other hand... illegalizing loot boxes might directly put us on the path to Half-Life 3 or even Left 4 Dead 3? And it's morally upstanding so...
It's actually a bummer that if they lose it'll probably just make them cut access to loot boxes SPECIFICALLY in NYC IP address ranges and nothing else.
Well, if you read the lawsuit, NY is seeking:
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Well of course, the court to determine Valves lootbox + key paradigm is illegal
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Pay a fine to the state
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Resitution to all NY residents
So, even if it did only apply to NY... you would at least be due to have all your key purchases refunded, as welp as the amount that Valve shaves off of every item transaction in the marketplace.
I am also not so sure that Valve actually makes like, the bulk of their money off of keys and marketplace fees. We don't know, because those numbers are not public, though more will likely come out as a result of this case doing discovery...
But based off of the estimates and info that is out there, my guess would be that key+marketplace txn fees is roughly between 5% and 10% of their yearly revenue.
My guess would be that the vast majority of their money comes from the generally 30% cut they take from 3rd party game sales.
So... I would think the primary problem with getting a Steam Frame is still the... RAM price crisis caused by AI, and more generally, the fact that we're doing the Second Great Depression.
Ok, now sue the Stock Exchange.
Ha! All the points to you!!
Meanwhile people are probably betting on if Valve will lose or win this battle.
Hang on a sec I'm just putting some money on "Will NYC sue the stock exhange"... /s
...it's gotten so out of hand.
Not all gambling is banned, and they are specifically calling out games targeting kids
If they called them prediction boxes would it be ok then? Seems to work great for kalshi and other prediction market platforms.
Isn't there gambling everywhere now? (Roblox, sport betting on the Internet, millions of phone apps, blind box subscriptions, Pokemon) Why does it matter with Valve? I'm not supporting crappy loot boxes or gambling, just didn't really get the lawsuit.
So because it's everywhere it's good?
These arguments just maintain the status quo. Yeah its everywhere and it's almost normalized but it's not in anyway a good thing. There should be laws against gambling and especially when you target children.
Pokemon cards is basically lootboxes i think pokemon is more horrendous on that front than the other TGCs, because they refuse to change the pullrates to negate scalpers.
That's the sad thing about trading card games. I think they're neat, and like how the rules and strategy work, but the defining business model of "rarities" and blind packs making it a wallet war seem almost built in to the game itself.
I guess the alternative is simply to have collectible sets with known cards in them maybe? I guess like how miniature warfare games use point-buy systems so you have to weigh which units you want instead of just fielding a ton of the most expensive / powerful ones.
Excelent, it would be great if valve would allow Counterstrike to die and go back to making real games.
Like... The state of New York? Is suing the Bellevue, WA gaming company Valve?
Scratches head
...In 2026?
NEW YORK, Feb 25 (Reuters) - New York's attorney general sued Valve
First sentence of the article. The state of New York is suing valve.
Valve has customers in New York so they are allowed to do so, I imagine.
Idk are laws even real anymore?
Laws have never been real. It's just magic paper that society has to collectively agree to believe in for them to work. But they do not apply to the powerful. So it's just a tool of slavery.
Maybe I didn't articulate very clearly...
It seems an odd time to attack Valve when there are more egregious companies doing much worse of this sort of thing AND worse things happening in the world.
An extreme analogy would be like when Nazi Germany was rising to power and you sued the Jewish public transportation and train industry for false advertising of their fares.
Does that make sense to you? It's a bit complex, so I can understand if maybe that's a bit tough to fully comprehend.
Does that make sense to you? It's a bit complex, so I can understand if maybe that's a bit tough to fully comprehend.
Are you attempting to be condescending when you couldn't figure out whether it was New York city or New York state bringing the suit? How embarrassing for you.
Anyway, what valve is doing is supporting a nascent gambling scene involving 3rd party resales of loot box stuff, and the loot boxes themselves are basically gambling. Its not something that should be normalized. They are profiting off this and there are children involved. Normally I don't think "save the children" arguments have much weight to them but this is a solved problem: we regulate gambling industries.
Please understand: I use steam. I think its awesome. I'm hyped to play my steam games on Linux. But steam is in the wrong here imo.
And yes, there are bigger evils in the world, but this is still a worthwhile case. [Sentence redacted, privacy]. This shit is gambling and it needs regulation.
... If I have a company, an llc, that is based in one state... and I do business in another state...
... the laws of that other state are applicable to me.
This is the concept of a State - Federal government legal structure.
This is a fairly common kind of thing that happens, a State AG suing bringing a suit against (EDIT: 'suing' is I think not the correct term?) some legal entity that legally resides in a different state, but does business in their state.
Yes, I understand what makes it legal and the commonality of the legal dynamic. It just feels like very inopportune infighting.
Inopportune infighting?
What do you mean by that, I genuienly don't understand.
State AGs often bring consumer rights based suits against businesses.
Sometimes those businesses are based in other states.
How is this infighting?
Do you think that like NY and WA are legally fighting or something?
That's not how this works.
Valve largely stands as one of the last vestiges of consumer positive industries, save for stuff like this, which I think everyone agrees is not good. It's definitely gambling, and it definitely eroded and continues to erode gaming and civilization, in general.
However, in a world of cutthroat wolves and truly evil entities and secret boards of oligarchies, Valve alone sits as a private company, not behaving primarily as a dark pattern machine.
Attacking them needs to happen, but in a political time of rising fascism around the world, and especially as it takes hold in almost all of the federal government and many powerful institutions have recently taken radical nosedives, a power vacuum where, at WORST a grey company once stood, is the last thing we need.
Attacking Valve should happen. But not right now. "My enemy's enemy is my friend", and valve has historically stood protecting gamers, and business and industry, against many of the worst behaviors, as basically a grey paragon of hope.
Tearing them down right now is such a fool's errand where the best outcome is unfortunately a weakening of the company that gives SO MANY PEOPLE hope and peace at the end of the day.
You obviously aren't a fool, and seem quite aware of the dynamics, both legally and really. But, going off the average .ml values and rising industry of communist country gaming companies, I can only assume a motive to weaken the most powerful and successful institution that stands in the way of foreign entities gaining more momentum, be it deliberate or not.
The damage and negativity of allowing the structuring of gambling in this past time is undeniable.
But cutting off one of the hands of one of the few institutions and leading companies that isn't a brazen flagrant late stage capitalist machine, bowing and tithing the fascist federal government is fucking stupid.
Sue EA or an actual auto shitty company instead. Valve will take notice. And if they don't change their ways, wait until there isn't a Nazi sympathizer as president who's being very successful replacing the heads of all information and power throughout the country.
But until then, people need to see attacking Valve for what it really is: attacking virtually the last industry leading and extremely powerful company that stands against everything Trump stands for. As grey and imperfect as they are, they, alone, stand above as a Paragon against the darkness.
Uh...
Ok.
So... I consider myself to generally be quite the Valve fanboy, but I try to base that as much on reality as I can.
... Video games are less important than the concept of an impartial, fair and just legal system, than the idea of having a society that does not permit massive exploitation of children.
Nobody with a life spent in law knows dick about how Valve being basically the only major gaming company that isn't publically traded and doesn't have a bunch of investors and stock holders to answer to means that it functionally is the least evil major gaming company.
(Beyond Valve's lawyers, I guess.)
I get where you are coming from, but you're acting like everyone cares about and values Valve as much as you do.
You're not wrong to see them as the best overall corporate force for good in gaming... but that you think any entity that tries to broadly do good, conflicting with another... is infighting?
No, these are completely different groups of people, who focus on completely different realms... its very strange to me, that you see the world in a way where its all so conflated.
....and Valve can't be grey and imperfect and also paragons at the same time. Paragon literally means without flaws.
Let me offer a ... slightly different way of looking at it, that's about as cheesy/overwrought as you are being:
...Valve's the flawed hero gamers deserve, but not the one they need to prioritize right now. So, let the heroes hunt them, because Valve can take it.
I wonder if you get the crate and key for free, it would be considered gambling?
If you get the key for free, which you can, but is by far not the most common way most keys are acquired, then probably it would not constitute gambling, as the player isn't putting any money in.
This... is how it originally worked, I think, for a time, when TF2 first came out.
You could get keys from either randomly playing the game and finishing or spending time in a round, or via achievements, iirc.
But yeah, then the keys could also be bought for money, and the whole trading market and steam wallet were introduced, and since then, probably 99% of keys for any game with em are bought, not acquired via in game activity.
You technically can
next thing they'll be saying is that loot boxes were in the epstein Files.
They unironically were.
Epstein is on record talking with Bobby Kotick about pushing microtransactions on kids, like, over a decade ago.
To my knowledge, no former or current Valve employee was involved in any such discussions with Epstein...
... but yeah.
Lootboxes absolutely are in the Epstein files, he was all for 'indoctrinating kids into a digital economy.'
You may be too young to have experienced the before times, but MTX used to not exist, not be a thing.
You'd go to a store and buy an expansion pack to a game, whole bunch of new content and often new game mechanics, for maybe 1/2 to 1/3 the pricd of the original game.
Or, later, you'd just buy that online.
No digital fake currencies, no paying for a single game item, no battle passes.
EDIT:
But like really, pause, and think about this.
Epstein was involved with m00t, 4chan, getting the /pol/ board set up.
Esptein was advising top game industry execs on pushing MTX.
QAnon? A giant psyop/misdirect. All the weird pizza terms and shit that people fixated on? Yeah those were the terms the Epstein class was using, in their emails.
There's fucking photos of Epstein in rooms full of servers and computers that are literally labelled CIA.
... the entire digital environment of primarily the US but of course also the entire world...
... was substantially shaped and molded and created by a ring of wealthy people who all share the common attribute of loving to exploit children.
We live in a society built by groomers and rapists, operating in the shadows, gaslighting everyone that this is all normal.
Its way, waay bigger than just the specific, actually trafficked or murdered victims.
They built a digital reality that revolves around exploiting children too.
Fuck Bethesda.
Literally everything they've done in the last decade has been a downgrade or cashgrab or outright joke.
... and they still, fucking still can't fix their garbage engine, they're still, still relying on modders to fix all their problems, and then they just fairly regularly do some kind of re release or major overhaul that breaks all of the mods.
MSFT's gaming division is dying: They're gonna get eviscerated.
I remember those days. Console games would release and that was it. The sequel(or expansion) might fix a thing or two. Multiplayer meant hanging out with friends. Computer game lobbies had custom game servers. If you wanted to wear a funny hat you would play on the funny hat server.
I don't really care for many multiplayer games so the MTX bug didn't have much of a chance to bite me. I did play TF2 when it started until it started to have items. All the fun evaporated. The hats weren't so funny when every server was the funny hat server.
I have a friend who has spent a lot of money on loot boxes since day one. There's no stopping the guy. When I was still around the neighborhood we grew up in we'd hang out often enough. I remember at least one night he was glued to his phone opening counterstrike boxes/crates while the rest of the crew was hanging out. I think he got a cool knife out of the hours spent on it. Maybe he sold that knife for the loot box money. I have no idea to be honest. It was a lot of crates for a game I've never played in a currency I don't understand. The MTX bug could raise great grandchildren off of a whale like him. It was weird seeing him under the spell of it all. Counterstrike was playing him that day.
He's not "one lootbox away from living on the street" but I found it concerning the amount of money going up in smoke like that. He is just one of many people who do it. It's gambling but the prize is a digital carnival item you might be able to sell on their marketplace. I'm glad I don't get it.
A .world user who is simultaneously against corporate regulations and for protecting pedophiles. Note my lack of shock.
I wonder. What about booster packs for trading card games?
They are the same thing in practice, but they don't have proof of exchanges between executives talking about getting kids hooked on card packs like they do with loot boxes.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the obvious connection being made after the case if NY wins.
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