Firefox is just the browser, Mozilla is the organization constantly wasting money on features Firefox's users are actively hostile to in a bid to tempt away people already using Chrome. Not the OP, but I'd be down to donate to Firefox's development directly, but I wouldn't want to make a donation to Mozilla hoping it would go toward Firefox, only to find out they took my money to build some new LLM integration that nobody asked for, only to sit unused for years before being quietly shuttered in favor of the new tech buzzword of the day.

Reminder that Krebs is an asshole who responds to criticism by doxxing the accounts of other security researchers.

Well you clearly haven't used the standard available download (non-beta/nightly release) consistently through last year. Waterfox was using ESR 128 since October 2024, kept that base until finally upgrading to ESR 140 last August. So that's nearly a year of its base being out of date. So the user agent reported that number... sites really don't like that since they're looking at that for support.

https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.5.0/ https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.6.0/

Twitch only supports the last TWO versions of Firefox officially and will actively block logging in from older versions. So while you might be able to watch Twitch, if you aren't already logged in, you won't be able to login.

https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/supported-browsers?language=en_US

There are thousands of posts about it online for Waterfox other forks.

https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md

Use gender-neutral pronouns, except when referring to a specific person.

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The translation is technically AI, but it's a distant cousin to the LLMs and image generators that have repulsed so many people. (The term AI is such a broad and vague umbrella that Netflix recommendations count as AI.) And, even more notably, this is before Mozilla started marketing things as AI.

It was also a joint non-profit venture with a university, rather than today's weird gimmicks or for-profit partnerships.

I already addressed all of these arguments in another comment in this thread...

Those are still external services. I didn't mention them because they carry the exact same risks

Infinite money Google keeps trying to push shit to the standard so all other browsers end up needing significant dedicated resources to keep up or risk getting blamed for broken sites.

It is really difficult to implement in the first place, and the standards evolve constantly.
Some argue it may not be possible to build new browsers anymore

A conservative guess would be around 60 people.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describecomponents.cgi

You can click around and see the bug reports they're working on. There are a few, to say the least.

https://www.firefox.com/en-US/releases/

This is a way to see what's in each release. The ones on the left are major releases and tend to have bigger features, and the others tend to be bug fixes.

Web browsers start with core functionality that's very complex. Then you tack on that they're being used for things like banking, and managing the critical details of people's lives. That means security galore, which is hard and constant. Then you have ad people, who are also something that's hard to defend against.
Then there's the constant flood of new features you have to implement to keep up with Google.

Chrome has 1,000 to 4,000 people working on it. Mozzila employs about 700 to work on firefox, with maybe 1,000 additional open source developers.

My initial guess was very wrong.