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heck yea !
That’s pretty rude. I’d at least say goodbye politely before beaming up, but to just do it mid-conversation? Where are the manners?
But non-medical/pre-medical transwomen are still women... Both the parents and the young lady get it wrong here.
Edit: i stupid i know
Their kid is transmasc...
Oh. Did I mention the part where I'm an actual idiot? 😑
don’t make broad assumptions like this
Boys generally lack role models. It's all been downhill since we found out that Cosby is a monster.
That's so weird because guys have freaking batman and superman, presidents, prime ministers, princes, emperors, business leaders, most of hollywood directors, most doctors, and like a million male authors writing about the male perspective while there are women alive today who remember not being able to get a credit card or go into pubs alone. There are women alive today who are legally not allowed to go anywhere alone.
I'm a millenial who was told I wasn't allowed to work on cars for a high-school course because it's "too dirty." My electronics instructor wouldn't let me build a circuit board because "the math was too hard."
No male role models. Jesus Christ.
Your response is a perfect example of how the mental health of men is constantly shit on. Just because women have it hard(er) doesn't mean that men can't suffer too.
Toxic masculinity and "alpha" culture is a blight upon humanity and it's scarring young boys who often have no real role models in their lives. Media is constantly blasting them with negativity and there's no one in their lives to explain it or counter it.
Your argument is that because women have it hard men need to shut up and deal with it. You're just as much a problem as people like your electronics instructor. Too short-sighted and focused on your own myopic world view that you don't care about anyone who isn't like you.
Shame on you.
Your argument is a perfect example of men feeling attacked when a woman tries to correct them.
Forgot the whole part where I pointed out the many, many examples of male role models out there.
Wow. You had to 'correct' me. The hubris is insane.
As to your 'list' of rolemodels:
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batman - rich orphan with serious mental issues who beats people up
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superman - fictional character, but at least a decent person
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presidents, prime ministers - Have you seen our leaders? They're some of the worst people in the world
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princes, emperors - hereditary rulers who have historically abused their power in unhealthy and evil ways
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business leaders - Really? They're worse than our elected politicians
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most of hollywood directors - only role models for people who want to be directors
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most doctors - What? Are doctors all figures of virtue and no one told me?
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a million male authors writing about the male perspective - And there are no women authors out there doing the same?
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There are women alive today who are legally not allowed to go anywhere alone. - And that sucks. It's a cultural issue reinforced by poor male leadership that is systemic exactly what I'm trying to point out.
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Jesus Christ - fictional but requires checking out your common sense and reason
At this point I can't tell if you're trolling or not. I'm getting "All Lives Matter" flashbacks having to read your posts.
Batman is a rich asshoke who could do more good for Gotham through philantropy than beating up goons in a mask.
He's an interesting character. Ultimately, he is good, and, depending on the era in the comics, he nearly bankrupts his company trying to follow in his father's footsteps.
He's also an archetype for fear and vengeance. His parents' death motivates him to act against the corruption exposed in the justice system. He starts off as a young hooligan out for revenge, but with a solid ideology behind it — he thinks he's saving people. Once he sees that violence begets violence, he tried to address the problems at the root and ultimately hangs up the mask.
Most characters in Batman, including Bruce Wayne himself, have major trauma in their past. There are a lot or orphans, criminals by necessity, abused kids and victims of crime themselves. This was big for an era where people just did not talk about those things at the dinner table.
In some comics they explore sci-fi means of removing trauma, to expose ones "true self." While it breifly improves people's lives, it just leaves the subjects more vulnerable and less resilient.
Batman comics really explore how our past influences who we become, but also points out that everyone suffers, it's what we do with that suffering that counts. Not only that, but learning from your past in a constant process.
Batman isn't everyone's role model, but he is a role model.
The part with electronics instructor is messed up ngl. Kathleen Booth and Margaret E Hamilton are role models to me and it feels like they are just ignored in computer science.
No kidding. I didn't learn about a lot of women in science and arts until university, and even then it was sparse. My entire first year philosophy course didn't talk about a single woman. I didn't even learn about Rosalind Franklin and Lise Meitner until a feminist instructor brought them up, recommending books outside of the curriculum.
A friend of mine, a guy, went on tour with a show about Lise Meitner around the time Oppenheimer came out, so people could learn about one of major contributors to the science nuclear fission who isn't really talked about. That guy is one of my role models.
No role models? Yeah, thats not true.
A couple of piece of shit role models whose influence is compounded by "the left" ignoring non-minority men, not taking their problems seriously and vilifying them over and over again? Now thats the problem. And comments like yours do not help, they only serve to drive those men further away from "the left". It is way past time to stop making non-privilege a competition and accept that non-minority men have problems too that deserve attention. Doing so will end up benefiting everyone.
-a "far-left" gay man
Minorities and queer folks are absolutely missing representation, as a socialist queer person.
My comments have nothing to do with the imbalanced incarceration and vilification of men and everything to do with the thousands, possibly millions of role models men can choose to learn from.
I grew up with all male role models because we just didn't talk about major female contributions in school, and most women in fiction were relegated to side characters and love interests. No, it's not a competition to see who has it worse, it's a fact that citing incel talking points is not helping men see the world of potential beyond whatever "couple piece of shit role models" you're talking about.
I mean yeah, you're right. Reading your og comment just sounded like you were placing the blame on men and making it a non-issue again.
The couple of piece of shit role models I'm talking about are the "manly men alpha males" and their counterparts. I think we all know the type.
Ngl, there's still plenty of assholes in the current crop of under 30s and under 20s.
But, yeah, there's a lot more of this kind of acceptance and decency. It's a beautiful thing to see. I got to see a similar wave of change back in the nineties with gay people, men in specific, where the millennials were essentially defaulting to acceptance or outright active support. For my generation, we had a longer road to divest ourselves of outdated thinking, so watching acceptance spread was a different experience than watching the next generation just grow up without as much baggage.
Again, no generation has ever, or will ever, be a monolith of bottled belief. But it does seem like the curve of decency on average is looking really damn good right now.
My younger set, and even the older ones, are so lasseiz-faire about kids transitioning. Like, it still seems kind of a big & scary deal to me, and I have a trans son. I don't mean I would ever try to squash anyone into a box, at all, it's not my life, each person gets their own! I did grow up with drag queens & gay people, that was such a beautiful, safe and inclusive scene for those of us who didn't fit in, in whatever way. We would just go and dance and have a good time. But there were not many transsexual people, some of the drag queens were people who wanted to be women, were always women, but more were usually men who liked to perform as women.
That got long, sorry - I just always think it's odd that so many kids are trans - enough that all of my kids had/have multiple trans friends. Like once it was sort of ok and not actively fought against, I would still think it would be vanishingly rare (and I don't think I think that out of any sort of prejudice), and it's not.
this post failed to convey who transitionned to what and what is to love about Gen Z lol
No, it's all there. The "we" is the parents. They have a son. The dress was pre-transition. So if they have a son now, before he transitioned he would've been their daughter. It was the dress she wore before transitioning to a man. Because the dress belonged to a Trans man, the gen z recipient acknowledged that she'll be the first "girl" to wear the dress therefore seeing it as "new" in a way.
The kids are still dumb?
Even if you're being PC as can be; it was PRE transition dress. She'll be the 2nd girl to wear it. The first one's..... dead.
The idea is that they were always their identified gender even before they realized it or were comfortable saying it publicly. I get the sense from this post that you are tolerant, but not entirely informed. (Which is okay! When understanding stops being a process is when it stops being understanding.)
trans people are born their gender. There is a huge difference between cis people and trans people before transitioning with the same assigned gender at birth. Before they realize they are trans, they act as their gender, but convinced they are their assigned gender at birth so they try to do things they perceive as respecting that gender.
this is from my own experience and other trans people i have seen, so it probably doesnt apply to every trans person ever, but i dont think its that big of an assumption for a child to make
... Unless he transitioned before going to prom? Or maybe considers himself as always having been male before formally transitioning?
She was trying to be kind and inclusive. No need to grumpily look down on her because "uhm actually".
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What the hell are boy cooties. Who says that past like 10 years old.
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Duh everyone would wash a secondhand item of clothing before wearing it.
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You don't need to phrase yourself as if you're submitting a dissertation.
Which came first, the girl or the egg?
They were still themselves before they started transitioning, that part doesn’t change. They were always a boy if that’s what they’ve come to understand they are as part of transitioning.
Thank you. I actually had it backwards in my head until read your comment.
I totally read that wrong, and thought it was a son transitioning to a girl, but it's the other way around. That makes so much more sense now that I re-read it.
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