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[–] 22 points 1 year ago

I can’t wait to see what no consequences he’ll face for this.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I doubt that Trump has ever read Shakespeare.

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    He has, however, read a collection of Hitler's speeches:

    Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

    "Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?" I asked Trump.

    Trump hesitated. "Who told you that?"

    "I don't remember," I said.

    "Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he's a Jew." ("I did give him a book about Hitler," Marty Davis said. "But it was My New Order, Hitler's speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I'm not Jewish.")

    Later, Trump returned to this subject. "If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them."

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm more surprised that he reads. I thought he was basically illiterate lol.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The most likely theory is that he desperately needs reading glasses, but is too proud to wear them. So he simply can’t read anything in public, because he needs the glasses that he keeps in his room.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He does read the teleprompter occasionally, but the reading glasses theory makes sense.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He often squints reading the prompter, and he has to concentrate so his manner of speech moderates significantly. Then you see him flip the switch to freewheeling bullshit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I think he's one of those readers who cannot take in the content of text while focusing on reading. You'll notice he only starts freewheeling on the last word or two of a sentence or paragraph. That's all he's heard.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I think I first heard this from an article by Tony Schwartz who wrote The Art of the Deal. He mentioned seeing the speeches book by Trump's bed during one of their brief meetings about Trump's book, which Trump took no part in.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He'll deliver an EO tomorrow declaring 'Shylock' to be a superlative to 'Rabbi'.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Busting out the slur deep cuts

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Apparently 'Shylock' and 'shyster' are etymologically unrelated. Shylock is a Jewish moneylender from Shakespeare, and not a particularly pleasant fellow. Shyster is from the Germanic word for shit, and also used to describe a disreputable person of any race or religion.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    (Edit) Full quote from rally:

    Think of that: no death tax, no estate tax, no going to the banks and borrowing from, in some cases, a fine banker. And in some cases, Shylocks and bad people.

    I hate to give the guy a pass, but to be fair, I wasn't aware that was a slur (or even a word). If anything, it sounds more like a homophobic term.

    Edit: yeah, actually that's a hard one to right a pass on.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In the context of bankers and borrowing, your read is that "shylock" here refers to gay people?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Edited comment weird. My original comment just had the quote from the article where Trump said he didn't know that was a slur. I replaced that quote with the full original Trump quote, with the edit (but left the original middle piece from my original comment)

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  • [+] -24 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but I don't think he's being antisemitic here. He's just the usual Trump: crass and uneducated.

    Kind of like when he famously said "The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys who wear yarmulkes every day” in the 90's: he wasn't being an antisemite, just being a sleazebag.

    Well, he's still a sleazebag. You don't make a racehorse out of a donkey.

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    [–] 50 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    The word is “Shylock”, just to save you a click.

    I had no idea that was a slur, but it makes sense I guess.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I have noticed it's kind of common for older people to say this and not know the origins or antisemitic connotations. If someone who was Trump's age but a little bit smarter said this, I would think maybe it was intentional but since he's such an idiot there's a decent chance he really didn't know ot was offensive. As much as I hate Trump and all he stands for, I can believe this one was truly accidental.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    May well be, however he's calculating and manipulative. Wouldn't be at all surprised if it was deliberate.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This one is just super common with old people not thinking through that it might be offensive though. Pretty much all my older relatives use this one occasionally and none of them would be intentionally anti-semitic. Trump isn't a god of manipulation or anything, he's an idiot who has the wealth and charisma to make everyone think he's not an idiot. By ascribing this intelligence and intention to him, you're kind of falling into right wing propaganda by unknowingly accepting the false premises they are selling to all of us. Trump is an idiot who doesn't think things through when he says them. His advisors do think things through and do have a lot more intelligence and intention to their words and actions, but Trump himself does not.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I agree with you he definitely doesn't think things through. I also agree he's using a generational word. I personally think he's got anti social personality disorder and at the very least he's a documented dv abuser, they're manipulative. They can be thick as fuck, but with good manipulation skills

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Any time you use a word for a racial/religious group that is not their own chosen preferred name (in this case "Jews" or "Hebrew"s) you're running a very high risk of stepping into slur territory. This isn't unique to older generations but they seem to have a harder time understanding it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I remember flinching when hearing older generations (like Greatest Generation and Silent Generation) using terms like getting "gypped" and having someone "jew them out" of something. Took me longer to figure out the gypped connection, but using Jew as a verb? Wow.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    When I was a kid, everyone was "fag". It was the go-to catchall insult. It's been hard to rewire my brain to stop doing that. So I kind of get it to an extent. If you never stop and think about these things they just seem normal.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I remember those days. I also remember when people would call things/people "gay" as kind of a generic thing, even if it was not remotely about something that was actually gay, even into the 90s. As a kid, I remember a common game was called "smear the queer"....I also remember a common insult was calling someone a "woman", and "throwing like a girl" and so on. What a world. I suppose this kind of thing still goes on a lot, probably most behind closed doors? My parents never had a lot of tolerance for any of it, but they were definitely in the minority on saying anything about it where I grew up (very rural). My mother especially didn't go in for that misogyny stuff.

    I honestly think a lot of people are so resistant to any change at all that requires even the lowest amount of effort (simply not using certain words) and these are some that voted for Taco in the hopes their lazy asses could go back to not having to keep this behind closed doors any more. These are the people that howled about "PC" in the 90s, bitched about Obama "fundamentally changing" America, whined about wearing a mask and getting vaccinated, and screeched about "DEI" and "CRT" and people being "woke" and others getting "cancelled". Some of them are surely hateful, but I also think a lot of them are just really fucking lazy. Not saying a word or a phrase when it's obviously hurtful? A bridge too far.

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  • [–] [S] 47 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Why must it be the Nazi who are supporting Israel?

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Because it's not about the Jews. It was never about the Jews. It was always about using a scapegoat that's enough of a minority to be bullied, but not enough of a minority that they practically don't exist.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Yep, but it's even more than that.

    American Christian Zionism is not a pro-Jewish policy. It is about (a) getting rid of the Jews by getting them to all go back to the Holy Land, and more importantly, (b) triggering the "End Times," for which the Jews returning to the Holy Land is a prerequisite. American Christian Zionists do not give a flying fuck about Jews; they're just delusional racist death-cultists who think they're gonna get "Raptured."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Hey, according to their stupid death cult's myths, 144,000 Jews convert and are "saved", so....are they not merciful in their weird psychotic fantasies?

    These people think they are the good ones, too. That's what so deranged. What they look forward to with much happiness, is having a front-row seat to eternal torture of others. That is so very sick and twisted. That's the mind of a person that would torture animals for fun. There is something wrong with this mindset. This kind of thing almost makes me wish for a world like Greg Bear's Queen of Angels where people like this are fixed.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Because nationalist groups when they aren't pitted against each other have a lot in common. It's why Trump likes Bibi, Xi and Putin.

    Wealthy German Zionists, negotiated Haavara with Hitler. Breaking solidarity and boycotts against his regime to emigrate to Palestine. Ostensibly to save German Jews. Though ultimately only those that were Zionist and wealthy got to take much advantage of it.

    Post war Zionists manipulated international sympathies to make official claims to Palestine and seize control from the people who had actually lived there generations, displacing them. Much as Hitler had done to them. Initially there were many other places discussed to relocate many Jews after the war. It wasn't always just Palestine. But the nationalists demanded Palestine.

    Nationalist are scum and always have been.

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  • Shoot

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  • [+] 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    we all know he’s never read a book in his life.

    That's what I came to say, too. Not only does he not read, but he's not smart enough to remember the character nor understand the implications. We know he hasn't read a lick of Shakespeare. So where the fuck else would he know this term from other than antisemitism?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's possible that one of his antisemitic speech writers wrote the line for him.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Possible, but if there's one thing that's been shown about Trump during his life in the media, it's that he has a near encyclopedic knowledge of all the racist slurs. He pulls out some real obscure ones, and that was even before he even ran for office.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    On the other hand, Trump plead ignorance, and I would never bet against his ignorance.

    And, if he did know the slur, I'd be surprised that we haven't heard it until now. As you know, he's not shy about saying them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Didnt his ex wife say he used to keep a copy of Mein Kampf that he himself said he liked to read because he admitted his speeches. Never read it, so it could be possible the term was learned from that

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It was a collection of Hitler's speeches, not Mein Kampf.

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  • That makes sense, apparently I typed admitted instead of admired as well. Never studied his speeches either. While one would think speeches wouldn't include slurs, hard to say when the writer is going for the whole racial cleansing thing.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The only real antisemitic slur is one that hurts Netanyahu's feelings.

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