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[–] 460 points 9 months ago (37 children)

Please, pretty please, be the spark that will stop OSS projects from hosting their "support forums" on Discord.

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  • [–] 163 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I wish it was only limited to support forums. I've even seen a Linux kernel driver where the Issues sections was closed and you should go to Discord instead. No thanks.

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  • [–] 119 points 9 months ago

    It's horrible. We already had that stuff figured out. Wiki pages and forums to make information accessible even after 20 minutes have passed. Fuck that development and everyone that was/is pushing for that.

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  • [–] 60 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    🤮

    Who are the morons that keep making these decisions?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    It's people that don't want to have to maintain things, which I understand. It's trivial these days to host a forum with a cloud provider, or have a github, but Discord is one click. It's not the ideal tool, but one click, no payment, and you have a place everyone can talk to each other.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I guess, but even without talking about forums, even a subreddit would at least be publicly accessible and searchable. Using discord is effortless but antagonistic, at least a subresdit would be both effortless and in the service of the public.

    Sure, I'd prefer an open source self hosted platform, but I'm hard pressed to find anything worse than discord

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, except that Discord was accessible when these were set up. There is nothing stopping Reddit from doing the exact same thing next year.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    This is my biggest pet peeve of OSS projects. Someone writes some code and that is where it ends for them. The rest of the infrastructure is so free and so easy that there is no need for dedication to the project.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (22 children)

    It's too bad the open source community couldn't find some programmers to help them make an alternative.

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  • [–] 67 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    As long as the alternative is not another chat app that is not indexable by search engines. Forums fill the role pretty well, I don't understand why devs would use Discord in the first place.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Hear hear!

    Matrix is an ok alternative to Discord for what Discord does.

    Support forums are not an appropriate use of Discord, or of Matrix. Discourse is pretty great open source forum software. NodeBB forums even added ActivityPub support! I never particularly like when companies use Reddit as a primary communication method, and for the same reason I'd rather they didn't use Lemmy or Piefed, but all of these are vastly better options than Discord, Matrix, or other un-indexable private chats.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Fluxer apparently has that on their roadmap. https://blog.fluxer.app/roadmap-2026/

    As part of #3, I'd also like to add the ability to publish forums to the open web. That way, people can discover, archive, and access discussions without logging in.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    As someone who has spent the last 2+ years testing revolt/stoat, matrix with element, and teamspeak, desperately searching for any viable discord alternative, I'm very interested in this. Where did you come across it? I tried to create an account but stuck pulsing on a loading screen.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    One of my friends' husbands brought it up, so good old word of mouth.

    I did notice I wasn't able to get logged in last night, though the night before I was able to make an account without issue. I wonder if they got a hug of death like Stoat did.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    @craigers @other_cat can I ask what was the issue with using matrix as a discord replacement? I would like to propose it to some friends, so it would be good to know if there are some fatal flaws

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Discord took the place of IRC. Chatlogs for IRC were rarely indexed by most channel admins until after about 2010 when projects like freenode hosted all the open source projects for the whole web.

    It was purchased by some right wing billionaire and now it is no longer.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But in a success story for open source software, the entire community migrated from freenode to libera.chat in like 2 days.

    The way to defeat enshittification is by disallowing lock-in.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Open source community always loses to capitalists, because people won't do the work unless there's money involved. Otherwise there would be open source alternatives that are better and more popular. What incentive do smart programmers have to help the open source community when they're better off earning 180k+ per year programming for the financial sector? Especially in this ever increasingly oppressive economy. I'm sorry but unless leftists are donating billions to the open source community, it's idealistic at best to depend on them.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Nonsense. Open source built the web. Open source isn't some new anti fascist trend... What are you smoking?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Open source built the web

    Yeah and how's that working out, in the context of the subject of this thread. I don't see any open-source communities competing with Google or Microsoft or Palantir.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Open source didn't crumble under the weight of inevitability. It fell apart because corporate interests profiting off of it decided it was more profitable to create cultures antithetical to the guardrails that open source presents to exploitation and co-option.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    I deployed several docker containers using an image from this one guy. Later when I needed help with an image I realized the support is provided exclusively through a Discord server. To nobody's surprise the guy is an asshole who shouldn't interact with users.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    IRC still supports most of the FOSS core.

    More modern alternatives include Jitsi, Matrix and Simplex. Mumble also works well for voice.

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  • [–] 218 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    Americans- If you're thinking "this isn't so bad" please consider that all it takes is a teeny tiny, insignificant api added to the back end with absolutely no notice to users and suddenly the DHS has a database of dissenters, with cross-referenced IDs, photos of faces, chat history, link share history, raw uploaded photos, and approximate locations.

    Say no to this. If you need a temporary alternative that's quick to get going, create a signal group chat with your friends.

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  • [–] 72 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    ☝️🤓 Discord said they're going to delete the data!

    Buster from Arthur saying "You really think someone would do that, just go on the Internet and tell lies?

    noteThe "someone" is referring to Discord, not you.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I dig your Netscape avatar

    Discord said they’re going to delete the data!

    Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Forget DHS or other government agencies, these companies have been shown to be untrustworthy stewards of our data from regular hackers.

    I get that discord is used to groom kids and there is a very real risk to allowing children to use it unsupervised, but that means kids devices are the ones that need to be locked down, not the rest of the world.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Pain fucking ass but deleted my Discord account. Sure wish had a decent alternative. I see a lot of suggestions just don't which to try? Any that work great with Linux Debian?

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  • [–] 117 points 9 months ago

    Stop a calling this "age.verification" and start calling it what it is, "identity harvesting".

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  • [–] 70 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    Many of the communities I am in are pissed and these aren't even tech people, this is even worse than what reddit did.The thing that most people online hate is age verification, who thought this was a good idea, reminds me of when Tumblr decided to ban porn same level of stupidity.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's all about abuse.

    Companies get too big for their britches and are accustomed to doing whatever they want with their sheep just going along.

    I'm sure they're very surprised to see any kind of significant backlash.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    They, like some political parties across the west, are arrogant in thinking people have no other choice. They've consolidated it all down into a few options, buying out their rivals, or crushing them legally, and or using anti competitive behavior to hurt them, that's against the law but not enforced because plutocracy, and think we have no other options, the other option is worse, so they can continually get worse and not lose market share, because what are you going to do?

    You can start your own websites, they will use the law and courts to try and crush them. They will lean on isp's to strangle the traffic, get hosting sites to refuse to host them, they will lean on credit card processors to not process transactions for them. Maybe manufacture a terrorist connection to justify personally going after anyone involved in the website or it's operation.

    There is no limit to the caprice of these entrenched interests where we are headed, with an openly corrupt government; openly sold out courts with contempt for the constitution and ancient rights of English Common Law countries, open contempt for their citizen charges seeking redress from powerful interests abusing them; an executive branch that is all but openly harvesting protection money, payoffs, and bidding off regulatory actions, bidding off laws and executive orders and justice department investigations, and setting the federal government up like a political machine from a century prior, where everybody pays and the boss gets a cut of everything. Like boss tweed or something, I don't know what we'd expect with a mobbed up blackmailing and blackmailed real estate baron from New York City that's been involved in over 10k court cases and never once paid any real price for cheating everyone he's done business with that couldn't hurt him and slandered them to justify it.

    We could go on with the corruption bit, but point being, any new sites that start to get critical mass need to be set up in a way that they can't strangle traffic off on them, and that they cannot take down the whole unit for allegations of criminality in any part of it. Easy enough for them to set up a fake terror account, wire money from here to terror there, and then take the entire thing down. To sanction everyone involved. The federation bit could help limit the liability and prevent a lot of that maybe. But we need our own infrastructures. We need our own internets. We should be setting up community cooperative internets everywhere. There is no reason we should pay two companies trillions of dollars to provide internet poorly and spy on us in the process, when hundreds of billions could provide ourselves internet at cost under a less intrusive nature.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    They for sure made the calculation, how many leave maybe 10-20% if we are lucky. How many stay and give them the right to sell their most sensitive data. How much money do they make with the data? Its more than they lose for sure.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What did reddit do? I heard about for in the Uk and aussielands, because they are leading the way in subjugating the internet to ai, to id every account and associate it with id and likeness and every word, every page view, to run ai threat detection, and create secret social scores, to then without attribution filter down to banks and search engines and isp's, to digital price tags on cctv facial recognition systems, to law enforcement information networks, the courts, etc., to decide your treatment. If you get the loan, pass the background check, get the job, what search results your internet shows you, what prices you are offered for individualized ai pricing. How much police scrutiny you get, your treatment in court. Your treatement in the business community.

    This is surrendering their citizens to big tech, for a cut of the information and control of the all encompassing social scores. There will be ways for the authorities to slip bad scores on individual people, and groups, they don't like as there always are. How else are they going to stamp out anit salmonism or whatever? Or the criticism to their corrupt rule down the road.

    Age controls, and chatcontrol, are trojan horses, redesigned as trojan sheep, to bring big tech and ai behind the walls of liberal democracy. It's a betrayal of your citizens to the most powerful people in the world, the peter thiels, with the most malign worldview and plans imaginable being put in charge of ranking citizens from winners to losers.

    So reddit just did the age checks for the aussies and uk peoples so far right? They didn't do anything to mine in that regard, their moderation is dishonest site wide, violating people for false pretenses, for other reasons, so you can't actually challenge or even be sure what you are being violated for, whether it's Israel, or triggering some group of snowflakes like conservatives. But I was able to create new accounts without any such scrutiny just an email that returns a message to activate the account, as of half a year ago anyway.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    I think the biggest exodus from reddit happened when they limited their API so all 3rd party apps died at the same time

    But reddit had a lot of blunders so this is just my guess

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    I heard about for in the Uk and aussielands, because they are leading the way in subjugating the internet to ai, to id every account

    Fwiw Australia's law quite specifically says they can't require ID for age verification, requires that if the user does choose to use ID it cannot be used for any other purposes.

    Aside from ID, they're allowed a variety of options for age detection. Most of them seem to have gone with a short of sentiment analysis type technique. They work out you're over 16 based on the fact that your account is 10+ years old (and not many <6 year olds have accounts) or you're talking about politics more than Bluey. That's not collecting any data they didn't already have.

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  • [–] 126 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Good.

    Discord is overused for help forums and wikis, which makes them extremely difficult to search and dependent upon third party software to be maintained. I hope this will force people away from that behaviour and back to good old fashioned messageboards that have been working just fine since at least the 80s

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    The absolute shitload majority of users will not care about this enough to stop using the product

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    kinda like gamers in general.

    Cry, and cry, and cry, and stir up a big shit storm about whatever the latest greatest grievance is.. Then continue to speak with their wallet by shoveling hundreds of dollars to the companies doing all the atrocious shit they hate and complain about.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I use it to stay connected to my local community including the high school robotics team I help mentor. I don’t have much of a choice. :(

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    As I understand it, you should be fine unless that server is doing 18+ stuff. Don't verify, discord will assume you're a teenager. I'm leaving because I don't have any ties like that. Maybe you could convince the server to move elsewhere?

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  • [–] 54 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    After what happened in Nepal last year, this 100% tracks with the dystopian narrative we are currently living. The powers that be saw a small country use it as a tool to affect change. To me, and tell me if I lm jumping to conclusions here, its obvious as to why this policy change is happening at all, to prevent the site from being used in that manner again.

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    [–] 51 points 9 months ago*

    Note, this is happening for the same reason Reddit started enshittifying much harder all of a sudden. Discord wants to do an IPO and so they're going to suddenly start squeezing their users to make the numbers look good just in time for that IPO. Their bet is that they have enough momentum that enough people will stick with them long enough for the IPO to succeed, and after that happens, it's someone else's problem.

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  • [–] 46 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    So they're going to turn everybody into teenagers. Last I checked, teenagers can't buy things like nitro right? Doesn't that completely fuck up their own business model?

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