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[–] [S] 49 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Please remember as people are looking for places to go to be kind. The reason Linux took so long to "take off" is because us linux folks (myself included) were proud of the high bar to entry. Encourage people to be curious, help them learn the ropes, don't bog them down with technical details or the battles that have been taking place on X technology over Y technology. Offer an open easy place for them to come talk.

Once they get the foot in the door for a few months we can show them how awesome Linux is!

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But X technology is inferior to Y technology and if they don't know that they're not real Linux users!!!!!

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    To be fair, Linux is in a super tough place right now as it shifts from a windowing system to a completely different one.

    And guess which one of those windowing systems is very unfriendly to Discord...

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    This is going to be such a pain in the ass. They already have had issues with security. This is such a massive can of worms

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I don't use Discord for adult content, so it sounds like I won't really be affected. But they're sure as hell not getting my face or ID.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Neither do I, but from other platforms it's only a matter of time until you're prompted for it. You join a server where someone has posted something NSFW before, or the server admin "to be safe" set it to adults only, or they just clamp down on the definition of adults only. At some point I fully expect it'll force me to.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This probably will end up being the case for most people

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Until Discord starts classifying anything and everything as adult content, TikTok style. Can't curse, can't talk about any form of violence. Good luck talking about most video games when you can't say "gun", "kill" or "die".

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    ah crap, I play archipelago randomizers, and the communication, and notifications for updates are exclusively through discord.

    they're not getting my face or ID, but when we start to refer to the pokemon move water gun as water pew, I may need to stop.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Matrix it is, only had discord still for it's widespread use

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    just say 'doggo' and 'w00t' and 'roflmao' a couple times and the AI will peg you as an elder millennial and leave you alone

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    [–] 57 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Fuck Discord is the common message now, but how about we amplify good alternatives? It'll be easier to tell Discord to fuck off if we're already set to move elsewhere.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    Alternatives

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Keep in mind everyone that Stoat still doesn't currently protect it's users information and is centralized. It doesn't use encryption but it is very seamless.

    You can host your own Stoat instance but it doesn't communicate with the main one.

    The devs have said they plan to add more security features in the future yet still don't make it a priority. The host of Stoat should be able to see everyone's messages, including in DM's, due to the lack of E2E encryption.

    Once they add more security features I imagine they will be much more popular in general.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I looked in stoat's issue tracker and there is an issue asking for video chat which is 5 years old and still open. Safe to say it's a dead project.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    If I understand correctly, they recently rebuilt all of the voice/video stuff. Video should be coming soon, it's more of a resourcing issue for their servers.

    I looked at self hosting, but it's a bit of a mess currently.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Forum's, websites, all the shit we used to do.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The main thing I will miss from discord is the ease of streaming with a small group of friends. That was main reason we chose it over alternatives back in the day.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    In my day we just hung out with our friends....

    /S

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    Discord has made communicating with a small group of friends who moved to different cities stay in touch daily while playing games, chatting in voice, and streaming stuff to share. Voice and text are great, but the streaming is how we share the in game moments we used to be able to see in person.

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  • [–] 107 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Bye bye Discord, you were never that good to begin with anyway.

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  • [–] 73 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I will never understand the move from forums to discord. when discord is the only way to get assistance, I go find another product.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    Discord is terrible for assistance.

    Search is ineffective, you have to actually fight the UI to go back to older messages, depending on the device there are still somehow cases in which you can't go back to the beginning of a thread. But thank you for putting a huge reminder that I am currently "reading through old messages", silly me, why would I want to do that.

    Oh, you're trying to scroll down through old posts? Let me suddenly refresh the list for no reason and bring you back to the most recent ones. Everything past the third screen might as well not exist anymore.

    And of course, there is the slight problem of every useful info written there being completely invisible to the rest of the internet.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    What amazes me is how often there are a bunch of sweaty nerds in the chat willing to answer every lazy-ass question known to man.

    If they expended a fraction of that effort on making a manual and a FAQ, they wouldn't even need a discord channel.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You're booming. Discord search is fine but you dont even need to search. Seeking assistance is easy > join post > get notified when someone answers you.

    Compared to forums where you have to create and account post an introduction then deep dive on the forum to make sure your question hasnt been asked before then write up s big detailed post only for the mod to remove your post because it was in the wrong place.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The point is the first step in getting assistance is checking you're not asking something that has been solved one hundred times before.

    And you don't even need to be registered to do that in a forum. in fact you don't even need to know the forum exists, because search engines can find them for you.

    You're just counting on people having nothing else to do than help people by repeating the same basic stuff forever.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    I used to be of the opinion that searching history for issues was the best thing. But ive seen how many issues it creates and think its not worth it. Software is constantly being updated and the post from 6months ago is likely a completely different issue even if it sounds similar to yours.

    Having access to real time individualized support for free is actually awesome from a user perspective. For devs they are able to let the community handle a lot of the requests and oversee that terrible advice isnt being shared.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It was one of the first to make voice chat really really easy for gamers. Yes vent and ts existed before, but discord made it soooo easy and had integrated irc-style chat

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    It's easier to set up than a forum. I suppose. But messier.

    A forum is much better suited for the purpose a lot of people are using Discord for.

    They should be using Discord for voice chat and streaming, that's what it's good at. Use a fairly tool for what it does well. Not for what it does poorly.

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    [–] 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I hope me being in 30 different coomer discords helps me out

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They've outright said you will need to verify regardless of what your current usage is.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Everything I've said is everybody is categorize as a teen unless the provide face/ID verification. So anonymous should still be allowed in general, just not to servers/channels set as age restricted.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    My group mostly only uses discord for video chat during D&D. Is there a recommended alternative? We don't use ANY of the other features. I'm looking into jitsi now.

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    [–] 26 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    What do i say to my friends to get them to leave? Ive already tried and they won't.

    Sadly this change won't really affect them so they are not going to care. I've wanted to leave for a long time now.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    What do i say to my friends to get them to leave? Ive already tried and they won't.

    I just abruptly switched to Matrix and encouraged anyone who wanted to get a hold of me to do the same, held my ground and did not look back, now a good handful of my friends have a Matrix account.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Same.

    If someone isn't willing to take a minimum amount of effort to stay in contact with me, then I'm not losing much if I don't ever talk to them again. They don't have to quit Discord, they just have to find me elsewhere.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I joined a Matrix group, and the UX frustrated one person so much, they just quit. Kinda surprised me some people care about UX that much. I guess I'm used to using software developed by hobbyists, lol.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I brought this up in my friend group, and, to quote one of them, the general consensus is "is it weird that I actually don't care"

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    We have had similar reactions to things like tracking by websites and other such cases. And to a certain extent, I get it: sometimes you just want your tools to work and move on with your life. And if that means that something you don't particularly use or immediately care about is worse, then that's just the cost of doing business.

    Specially around "NSFW", a lot of people just don't engage with it in "public". They leave "NSFW" stuff to one on one conversations with people they are close with, if at all.

    The thing is, I say "NSFW" in quotes because we have seen, repeatedly, that what might be NSFW is not just porn. It has been extended to things around identify, sexual health and so on. Never mind that "you don't care about privacy" until you realize that you were in a data breach and you now have to worry about malicious people getting you into financial peril by abusing your identity. Or worse.

    I'm not sure how you get people to care, though, before things get bad enough.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Is there a fediverse alternative for Messenger? Because I currently partially use Discord as a non-Meta alternative.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Matrix voice and video chat is sadly under-equipped for the only kind of thing I want (team gaming and screen share). They are working on moving to a new realtime media transport but until it manifests I can't see it as an alternative. I've read about Revolt and some others but I don't see anything that seems capable. Happy to be corrected on this!

    EDIT: it looks like Element Call is more or less ready, might try setting up a server this weekend.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    It has been absolutely seamless with zero issues for me, but I’m a relatively recent adopter with low traffic just for friends.

    Only problem is that its only available in the official element app but thats not a dealbreaker for me.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Signal is ok. SimpleX theoretically has better privacy guarantees (metadata privacy, more decentralized). Matrix is ok for communities; I think it exposes a lot of metadata though (who you are talking to, not what you're talking about).

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    It was fun knowing you all! See you around.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Deleting my account

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Shrek image still works?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I'll just begin saying whippersnappers, and bees knees.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Translation: we've been snooping on all of your chats and you didn't reference 6 or 7 in sequence more than is statistically likely due sometime currently over 18 years in age.

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    [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    Aka, we're running all your messages through AI to guess your age

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    We live on the dumbest possible timeline.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    No communications platform lasts forever. Time to get "discord alternatives" trending

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    ....why did you reply like this?

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But, like, why? Why not say "here's a link to a discussion about just that"?

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