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Anyone who doesn't support the Trans Agenda(tm) is a fucking psychopath (lemmy.world)
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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

If they want to be as unhappy as everyone else, they are welcome

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    [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And the far right took that personally

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    • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can't get the thoughts that this earth was made for psychopaths off my mind

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    • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

    This is where I fall off with liberals. "Lose the Trans talking points, they are holding the DNC back."

    How about first we try losing the DNC talking points. They've been in charge this whole time and I didn't see trans people allow fascism to wash over the states while they were at the head of the government.

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I feel like.. this is half baked... but I feel like the gun stuff should be ... states rights? Push it down to the state level. Let texas be texas. Let new york or new york city specifically have its own laws. Make right wing people argue against states rights some more.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    But the gun stuff is a constitutional issue, which is the complete opposite of states rights.

    Abortion was pushed back to a states rights thing because there was no federal laws on the books and they scrapped the right to privacy interpretation it was previously under. The right wing is happy to argue against states rights for a national abortion ban, especially when they are losing at the state level.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (12 children)

    You arent going to win any elections catering to 1% of the total population and alienating a large part of it. I would say that is just common sense politics at this point.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    Protecting the rights of individuals is not catering to 1% of the total population. Its the bare minimum in a supposed civilized democracy. You can never, ever, compromise on protecting individuals that are causing no harm to others and just trying to navigate through the world.

    Do we need to showcase the trans issue? No. We need politicians that are better at navigating the media environment and can effectively strategize against the GOP propaganda machine.

    If you do that first, you wouldn't have an issue with trans people. For fuck sakes make an attempt at it even and if they are capable and what I say is wrong, fine, expel the trans people from the party. Except, accept you will never be a party of values only one of opposition, so be cautious of ever trying to claim morality after that point.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    In this case at this point in time it is. Progressives built their entire hosue of cards on trans and lgbtq rights and then popular opinion swung the other way and the little support they had evaporated in conjunction with their political power.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (8 children)

    If its true their support has waned then the people in power are the exact people who deserve to be. You want to vote for dems because they wear blue not because you give a shit about principles.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I'm so glad your privy to my private thoughts. People like you are why everyone thinks progressives are fucking nutters.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (6 children)

    What's private? Did you not suggest the DNC abandon its trans platform?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm talking about your statement where you randomly decided I'm basically blue maga.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Your problems not with me then. What principles do you stand for? Is it, "do what ever it takes to win" or "reason and compromise can be used to benefit all people"? Ideas that win are ideas that deserve to win. While this might not always be true its a principle you can stand by.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    What the fuck are you talking about? It's 8:30 in the morning here. I haven't had enough coffee to even keep up with your golden retriever energy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Let me try one more time, if we still arent there I dont know.

    Yes, the DNC can exclude trans people from the party platform. Does it change the fact that democrat voting people overwhelmingly support trans people? Does it actually convince moderates they want a long term stake in the party?

    No, probably not on both accounts. What it does do is maybe win an election here or there.

    So what will happen, when the same moderates say, "time to toss trans people under the bus"? Does the base move or do these moderates get tossed?

    Wouldn't it be better to stand on your principles. Principles that say all people deserve a better life and the trans community deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.

    My gripe is, before this whole argument even matters the DNC needs a coherent, functional, media strategy and that does not just materialize out of no where. Start there, before lopping off your arms in attempt to be as intellectually bankrupt as the RNC.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Look bud, I think everyone deserves to live a fulfilling life with all their needs met. I however am just one person and most of the people I interact with on a day to day basis seem to be fully on the "empathy is bad" train. I don't know how to fix anything and frankly I'm too tired to care at this point.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Well. I dont think empathy is bad. Its not a principle I can abandon. I dont get to shape the world the way I want it, either. Most of us really only get small chances to tip the scales. I dont think any presidential votes I cast in the last 8 years mattered. I dont think there is a world where they could matter. Ill keep voting though, and try to tip the scale.

    The world I want, the empathic world I imagine, is not a world I will most likely get to live in. So, if its a good idea and I dont give up on it, surely it can only win because its good. Whether or not I get to see it is beyond my control.

    This is all lost in the weeds, though. Youre in the right place because youre thinking of ways to stop trump. That's notable. You're also considering things we can do in the immediate future. All good too. So which path actually happens or whatever, just remember, you'll course correct that one too.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Our current system is predicated upon catering to the wealthiest (0.)1% which keeps winning them elections. Abusers of power get to frame their own opposition, and so you have things like poor people being blamed for the excesses of the rich. So you have people start swearing off avocado toast they never bought in the first place instead of proper italian plumbing.

    Trans-rights have never actually been an issue. Anti-trans people are the issue because they made their issue everyone elses.

    Abusers deflect and redirect onto their targets so they never have to defend themselves. It isn't that trans people want to survive, it's that there's motherfuckers that don't want trans people to exist.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    hugs. hugs to all my trans sisters, brothers, siblings. we need each other now more than ever.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I support not hating or attacking people for their uniqueness and individuality but I'm not going to wear a badge or wave a placard. I will speak up or attempt to defend anyone being hated or attacked but I don't have a chip on my shoulder and am not looking for a fight. Don't take any shit from the haters. Haters are less, you are not!

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    [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I support trans people's right to exist and to be able to live happy lives 🤘 ❤️ crazy how so many transphobes obsess over trans people. most of them haven't even met a trans person

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I always equate these things just to human rights and the fact that someone is trans doesn't automatically negate their right to live or be happier or prosperous. The fact that they're trans should have no effect on basic human rights.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Idc about them existing. It's their choice and they have their own reasons which are not my business. Bullying them just for that choice is bad btw. However I do care about their communities constantly using their powers for bad (and often illegal) purposes such as harassment of religious groups. If that stops (and it won't) then we can talk about helping them. For now they look like generic gangs and should be met with high suspicion at all times.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    the whole (he/him) in my email signature was a wild ride... like do I add it even though I'm CIS/hetero/boring? I see all the middle aged white women in my office doing it, and that means it's a few weeks from HR making a vague rule about it... I'm not conservative, but I don't want to be some fake virtue signaler, since I don't really know any trans people... but I don't want to give some kind of passive approval of intolerance by NOT adding it... will HR flag me if I do add it? or if I don't?

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    • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Protect the dolls

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I support the trans agenda, the gay agenda, the woke agenda, and the Hyena Agenda.

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    • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Survive and thrive!

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My transmission is a whiny bitch and should not have it's agenda supported!

    Wait we're talking about trans folks? Sure I'll support them.

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    What's wrong with vacuum tubes?

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    "non-trans" normal person here, and I think everyone who has a problem with trans / queer / whatever people is a fucking moron. I absolutely support the "trans agenda"

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Gentle FYI for you today, the term for non-trans is cis or cisgender. 💜

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I am fully aware what some people use, but it is a made-up word of the English language and I won't apply it to myself. I don't have a problem with people using it, but it's not my vocabulary. It neither has an inherent sense, nor does it have any added value in most context. I respect that it helps to normalize specifying whatever gender one associates with when "cis" people also do it, as opposed to only having trans / non-binary people to specify "what" they identify as. But my solidarity extends only to full acceptance and tolerance, not to changing how I "identify" myself :p

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    "Cis" is as real a word as "trans" is. They're both Latin prefixes. Cisgender has literally no other meaning besides "not transgender"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    No, that part (cis) is a prefix and means "on this side of". And for "on this side of gender" to mean what cisgender is used as, is a newly agreed-upon thing in the evolution of LGBTQ culture.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    But when you say things like '"non-trans" normal person' it sounds like you're saying it isn't normal to be trans. Why not just say "non-trans" or "cis" instead of saying "normal person"?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You assume that in my world "normal" is a compliment. It's not.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Well it certainly contributes to othering the people you don't view as "normal". Don't use cis, whatever, but paired with you saying you specifically know cis is a term and you specifically choose not to use it, calling cis people normal certainly sounds transphobic. You're following the conservative's playbook. Don't say cis people are the "normal" ones.

    America has a majority of white people living there. Could you imagine if people started calling white people "normal"? The words you choose have consequences.

    Again, I can't make this clear enough, this isn't some bullshit purity test. If you don't wanna use the term cis to describe yourself, so be it, but don't use normal. Especially when you're already willing to use non-trans. Solidarity isn't othering the persecuted.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You are wasting your breath. Try to argue with people who are not already allies.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Don't call yourself an ally if you call cis people "non trans normal people" while knowing and refusing to use the term cis. You getting so defensive about this really illustrates to me that your allyship stops when it's inconvenient. This all began because I saw you use some very strange phrasing so I just wanted to let you know that, hey, instead of the harmful mouthful that is "non trans normal person" you can just say cis. Lo and behold, you know the term. Okay, sure, fine, but just calling it "made up"? Never once asked you to say cis. Was just telling you that it's a word that exists. It never was a problem in my eyes that you didn't say cis, it was a problem that you said normal.

    Let me make myself clear one last time. I don't care if you don't say cis. I'd like you to, I think you should, but it's not anywhere close to the same as saying cis is normal and trans isn't.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That's not quite how a natural language like English works. There's a bunch of mess and idioms and "technically correct" is almost never how things start to get used in real life. Thus often it happens that whatever is the majority becomes the default, like for instance cisgender is a concept that almost never has to be used because 99% of people are cisgender. Not that it's not a valid term, it's just a term that's almost universally redundant.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    but it is a made-up word of the English language

    Interesting, because every word you've used is made-up word of the English language.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I think he's referring to the difference of descriptive vs prescriptive. I mean, some english words and concepts just become standard without anyone trying to make them that.

    Terms like cisgender or "they" as a pronoun on identical level to "he" and "she" is an example of trying to be prescriptive. You would never have to correct people with native level language skills on the correct use of these words if they weren't.

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    • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Protect the dolls!

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can't speak as to Polish law, but kids are allowed to do quite a bit before the age of 18 in the US. Going on puberty blockers - to delay a puberty that could damn well be an irreversible scar on the psyche - is hardly an opening for a shakeup of the legal position of minors.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    Puberty blockers aren't OTC, they're prescribed by doctors. The kid's not making the judgement so much as they're bringing up the medical issue to a professional.

    I was diagnosed with depression at a fairly young age, just entering into my teens, but I only got in to see a psych to begin with because I was worried enough to self-advocate. Can't really imagine what it would be like if I was told that I was too young to understand depression and turned out on my metaphorical ass.

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