How do I know they cheated? Because we cheated and they beat us!
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With the fascism, the shit in the epstein files, and this shit, its just a fucken joke now. Burn it to the ground.
You know full well that it's just a figure of speech. Don't be deliberately obtuse. It is a joke of a government.
Humor is also a way to take power from the powerful, and give the powerless a sense of agency.
It's weird you're arguing against people saying things dismissive of this administration.
That's not how you're coming across to people, sorry.
Remember, its only election fraud if a republican loses.
its only fraud if trump gets less votes than he wanted.
even if its on the same ballot, if 12 republicans win on the ballot, and 1 democrat wins.. Its only the democrat win thats fraudulent, not the entire ballot. not the republican votes.
Republican votes are never fraudulent, especially when they are.
Also, Remember, They have a urgent criminal need to subvert these elections, to maintain power.
Because the epstein file releases, which have been heavily redacted and censored in their favor, still reveals a vile cult of sick child rapists.
They are literally fighting for their lives, That is how desperate they are to steal these next two elections. Thats why they are so dangerous right now, Thats why they are trying to crush the public with ICE, Its why they are trying to build databases of opponents and dissidents, its why they are doing everything they can to violently intimidate and suppress anyone wanting to act against them.
Thats why they are so obsessed with fraud, because, as they've done for 50 years, Republicans always point the finger at the democrats for everything that the republicans themselves do, want to do, or will do.
You are so 100% correct. They have never been this close to total power, and they know that not only will they not come back from another failure, the consequences are likely to be EXTREMELY bad. The American people will not accept anything less than serious punishment for MAGAs CRIMES.
So like you said, they are literally fighting for their lives. I'll add to that, that they are socio/psychopaths with all manner of extreme mental presentations, and are capable of going beyond anything in our worst imaginations. They not only will employ serious violence, they WANT to.
This next election will tell the tale. I find it impossible to believe that there is any chance that they will allow this election to proceed unmolested, and if the majority of either chambers flips, they will contest it with all sorts of simultaneous strategies that they are already discussing.
MAGA currently only has a one vote lead in the House. If a couple more quit immediately, which might be possible if they keep committing heinous atrocities, the House may flip BEFORE the election.
Dems should be using whatever influence they have with corporate America to hire some suffering Congressional Republican who hates what's happening. I'll bet there's a bunch. Woo a few away with good salaries and benefits, and MAGAs election fraud will be for naught.
The American people will not accept anything less than serious punishment for MAGAs CRIMES.
As a non-American, I hope you're right, but fear you're not.
last time we had presidential corruption, it was pardoned "to help the country heal".
Which was utter bullshit and Ford should have been impeached and put on trial for doing it.. but America does not have a good history of holding presidential malfeasance particularly accountable.
When we emerge from this, it will be absolutely that we not continue "business as usual." MAGA wanted change this nation, and we should oblige them, and totally reconfigure it so it serves the people, regulates the wealthy and corporations, and has an election system that filters out the corrupt, and filters in the intelligent.
We are in unprecedented territory, and it will require unprecedented solutions. Constantly saying that we've never done that before is not helpful, and only sends the message that we would accept the same old easy non-solutions that brought us here.
MAGA is expecting to get spanked real hard, because that's what they would do. Let's not disappoint them.
I think Obama not pursuing charges against those in the Bush administration was another, more recent, bit of bullshit.
We'll settle for two lolipops and smack on the hand.
I find it impossible to believe that there is any chance that they will allow this election to proceed unmolested
They're already talking about stationing their gestapo ICE Gestapo at voting locations across the country, They are actively, and openly, discussing their plans to openly interfere in the election. The only question is if its gonna be via violence and disappearance before people can get in the door to vote, or if its gonna be absconding with the ballots after voting, but before counting.
That's what the 2nd Amendment is for: people will need to form militias in their communities to protect voters from interference by ICE.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
What does that mean exactly? It sounds like as much right as we have to bear arms, we also have been given the right to form our own organized, "well-regulated" militias, and in fact, the Founding Fathers called it "necessary to the security of a free state."
Sounds like we should be putting together our own armed groups to defend the security of our free state. I'm sure MAGA would consider them terror cells.
Dems should be using whatever influence they have with corporate America
"Please gracious Oligarchs, save us from the fascists!"
“It just looks on its face to be fraudulent.”
“Can I prove that? No, because it happened so far upstream,” Johnson added.
What a little shit
Y'all have complete control over the government, and are willing to manufacture facts at every opportunity. Prove it, or shut up
It’s all projection. When you know you’re capable of doing it, you think everyone else would be too.
Yep. The death throes of a nation begin and ends with a cowardly little weasel promoting fascist ideologies.
USA people, if you don’t manage to get out of this jam, it’s been real. One last chance guys, don’t mess it up.
Midterms are more than half a year away and they already start normalizing the narrative of the next 'big steal'. Until November they will have convinced their base that a democrat win would solely be based of the Reps not being allowed to cheat the election (which is somewhat true but you know how they'll mean it).
Good luck hoping for the outcome to be an non-violent end of Trumps presidency.
It's really easy for Republicans to make this argument as well.
How can libs win elections when you don't know any?
This makes a lot of sense to some guy from Kansas. Everyone he knows loves Trump, so how can Trump lose? I hear this from a lot of relatives.
Hey, remember when we helped out with the whole hitler situation? Want to return the favor?
They will have to before its over if we don't get rid of this trash pile of humans.
Isn't that what you said after you invoked Article 5 of NATO that one time? I'm pretty sure we came and shot a bunch of Arabs for you guys...
We were this close to being enemies over Greenland. This is your own mess, nothing like Germany invading allies. Also doing "regime changes" in other countries is mostly an American thing, we don't really do that.
Yeah, please be our enemies over Greenland, nobody with a brain wants that shit. But sure, wipe your hands clean and leave the US to its fate. Let's find out together what happens when even more unhinged psychos control the world's most powerful military.
You’re the ones who torched the alliances and forced us to be enemies.
For once in your life it would be a good time to look into a mirror as a nation and admit that it was you and you alone who shit the bed. The rest of the world literally begged you to come to your senses and you have only gotten worse.
You're acting like it would be our fault if we went at war over Greenland? Wipe our hands clean from what?
Hitler didn't have nukes and the most powerful military in the world, so I can't blame them for being reluctant. Plus, most other countries have their own surge of far-right parties to deal with.
Mike Johnson cleans Trumps asshole with his tounge after changing his diaper. Can I prove it? No.
You have just as much proof as trump does claiming election interference by Democrats, so I definitely believe you.
Mike Johnson washes Trump's balls with Barron's armpit sweat. Can I prove that? No, because it happened so far upstream.
We call people like that 'brown ankles' because that's how far up Trump's arse he is.
They had yet to prove any fraud
Of course, it must be fraud. Everyone knows that Trump is the most popular president in human history. If he isn't winning every election by at least 99%, then the other guys must be cheating. /s
That's what they will claim if their meddling isn't enough to win the election. All the claims of fraud and fake polls and being supported by the silent majority is just the groundwork for not accepting an election loss.
For people like me, we'll be relying on our local governments and neighbors.
I'm lucky that I live in Seattle, Washington. My government will do its damnedest to fight back and protect us. If there is a civil war, my local government is on my side. That helps. It also helps that we'd have Oregon with us. California, maybe, but there's a lot of red between Eugene, OR, and San Francisco, and their state and local governments are more entrenched in the federal status quo (looking at Newsom).
We are also very active as far as activism and mutual aid go in this region. And our gun ranges can get crowded.
Fluffer is the word you might be looking for.
No; 'fluffer' is a job in the legal adult entertainment industry.
You are witnessing the end of the United States of America. It can't be stopped.
This is the end of the Union but this isn't the end. I don't like where this is headed but, so be it.
Yup. I called this shit the day Trump won the GOP nomination. People in my office actually laughed at me.
Liberals loved to insist the End of America is near whenever the nation's mask slips far enough to reveal it's true face.
Dirty truth is that the USA will keep on trucking, right over millions more people. Only difference will be that they're our neighbors this time, rather than colonized peoples on the other end of the Earth.
Damn, the NCR never made it this far East. Free States Union for me I guess...
Dream on, the US will be the first nation to kill a billion people first.
Well, at least maybe after November, people will stop thinking this is going to end in 2029. I've been so frustrated people saying things like "it's only for four years" "I'm looking forward to when he's out of power" "maybe I'll visit the states in 2029"
“maybe I’ll visit the states in 2029”
To visit the smoldering wreckage.
But it will end in 2029 since Trump isn’t allowed to have a third term, so someone else will have to run and based off the flip flopping, the winner will probably be a democrat.
lmao "not allowed"
Trump's entire life has been him doing things he is "not allowed" to do because the law does not apply to the wealthy or to corporations. Come on man wake the fuck up already.
Isn't allowed by who? What makes you think the rules will be followed? Democracy is being dismantled
Time to organize
Why does it seem like everyone forgot that he already tried to rig the elections on Jan 6? Democracy officially died on January 20, 2025, and we were screaming from the rooftops that it was going to die if Trump were reelected. But Trump is just a symptom of a larger issue.
The real rot in our system has been here since the founding of the country. The founding fathers chose capitalism as the form of economics, and what they didn't realize (or maybe did) was that they were just replacing one king with another. They explicitly allowed people who seek power to continue to be allowed to have power over others. Regardless of how much it is or isn't regulated, it will always lead back to the same road. Call it monarchy, oligarchy, fascism, dictatorship, authoritarianism, or whatever else you want, but this is the road that we travel down whenever we allow rulers in society.
The only way to fix this forever is to not allow rulers in society. Anything short of that will lead us right back here.
You appear to be a fascist sympathizer, but that’s provable. Every lawsuit attached to voter fraud remarkably time and time again results in pointing to some Republican voter fraud scheme.
Prove it you f’in parrot, or shut yer hole.
Almost time for the guillotines. Go ahead, try and suspend elections ... announce that Republicans are officially rebels.
BRIGHT RED LINE. We have never suspended elections, not even during the Civil War, and we won't now, either. And even if they do suspend elections, most states won't comply, even some Red states.
Let's see them try to take the elections away in only certain states, and enforce it using ICE or some other militarized Federal organization. That will be the beginning of the Second Civil War.
They don't need to take the elections away, they can just post ICE agents nearby "to stop illegals from fraudulently voting". It will put off many, and they can also wrongly arrest a bunch until the polls close then let them go again.
That is actually something you can legally fight back on. By federal law voter intimidation is a "clear and present danger". Stopping someone from going to the polls is a very literal "fuck around and find out". Calling the police on ICE for doing it will just be an optional courtesy.
I'm really sorry, but the law will not protect you. ICE have infamously acted contrary to at least half a dozen amendments to the US constitution and no one has been arrested. They have fucking judges passing down orders just being ignored. The rule of law is over. Buy a gun.
Well, Im not going to up and say bring a gun to the polls with you, but the law is very clear that blocking a voting location is voter intimidation and voter intimidation is basically a hostile act ... its a crime. That means an armed citizen can legally defend himself against that hostile act.
“We had three House Republican candidates who were ahead on election day in the last election cycle, and every time a new tranche of ballots came in, they just magically whittled away until their leads were lost, and no series of ballots that were counted after election day were our candidates ahead on any of those counts,”
Counting. That magic is called counting.
We need to take this VERY, VERY seriously. I gamed out how Trump gets a third term - shit like this enables it (in 2028) - this is a test run.
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