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[–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I didn't even know Firefox had AI features.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Albert’s suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

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    [–] 112 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    They should never have rolled out any of these AI features without this already implemented. I think it really speaks to their priorities that they rolled it out in this order.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Mozilla's CEO also recently said they would be building new products based on pre-established trust. I think they got their chronology wrong on that too...

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    I’m not going to argue for AI features in Firefox, but I’m curious which features you feel are a priority?

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

    I think you misunderstood what I said, or perhaps I wasn't clear. I'm saying the killswitch should have been in place from day one when they started implementing ai features.

    That said, Mozilla seems to fundamentally misunderstand their market. The type of people who use firefox are generally pretty tech-savvy, and care about things like privacy and control over their experience. Rather than hone in on features that their users want, they have hitched their wagon to the ai hype train in an attempt to curry favor with the masses.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Privacy concerns are valid when an external server needs to be queried, like if you were to use DeepL or Google Translate for this stuff, or for any LLM related muck, but they have been accounting for this already by making things work locally. For example, translations performed fully on device, and are an example of a feature I wanted.

    Like many here, the entire AI browser idea doesn't appeal to me at all, but I also struggle to come up with 'features their users want' if I take myself as an example. I have previously used Vivaldi, and while it is much more full featured, it doesn't add any features that I actually end up using frequently.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I dunno about that guy. I'd like proper PWA support. Better VR integration. Both in Linux.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I’m all onboard with PWAs. I’m super disappointed they have so little love in general. Web tech is great locally when it’s not wrapped in electron.

    If you’re a developer, have you worked with Wails? It’s like Tauri (rust) but in Go(lang).

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Full profile sync would be nice

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    What parts of the profile aren't synced?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Search settings, UI customizations, vertical tab settings, extension settings all come to mind.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    If i didn't have to redo all my customizations on a fresh install, I might actually cry tears of joy (i like to try different os and wipe my laptop regularly, so this is a legitimate annoyance for me)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Off the top of my head:

    • better/more consistent sync
    • container windows
    • setting a default container for ctrl+t (and maybe shortcuts for other containers)
    • a more user-friendly version of about:config
    • more control for automatic data deletion aside from manual and when firefox closes (e.g. delete history+cookies older than 30 days)

    would all be significantly more useful than any ai features the devs are currently working on.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    The graphene community in the past has pointed out Firefox's incomplete content sandboxing implementation and suggested that other aspects of security are not up to chromiums standard. They pointed out other technical shortcomings as well, though I can't recall them, I'm not sure how urgent they'd be.

    This was several years ago, and I'm not sure if any of this has been addressed, but I wouldn't like to rely on manifest v3 compliant ad blocking.

    I get the impression that Firefox may continue to lag in this regard, and I don't feel that people like us are made vulnerable by this, though I do worry about people like my parents.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think the majority of FF users are very interested in AI stuff.

    I use it. But more as a tool in a whole collection rather than as the single point of truth (as many others do)

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think it's a good thing: we complained and they listened. FF is far from being perfect and I'm definitely not a fan of some of the decisions they made recently, but it's still the best browser out there. It's great that there is forks but they are only possible if FF base keeps being updated.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    There should never need to be a “kill switch” for a feature the developers have full control over.

    Just make it opt-in. An AI kill switch makes me think that they’ve got a setting that will block all known AI interfaces and generated content, which is not what this does.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    appreciate how it's not buried in the options; it's right in the main menu in the settings page.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm just using the Firefox ESR client until its phased out.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Did they ever tackle all the data collection they introduced? iirc it was opt out not opt in

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Nope.... And ads built in is still a thing

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Sponsored stories, sponsored top shortcuts, even the weather is sponsored. There used to be an "off" switch directly in the NTP settings, but they pushed it into the settings menu.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    There a bunch of sponsored stuff on the new tab page they get paid for.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    ... Those can be removed with a few clicks, mate.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    They sure can.... They shouldn't be there at all however

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    I'm curious how you think Mozilla should provide a 100% free product with the things everyone wants without paying any developers?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Are you serious? Mozilla gets almost a billion dollars a year from Google. Stop posting if you are this clueless.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    And why do they get this money?

    Partially to keep Google as the default search, isn't it?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    more than partially actually. 85% of Mozillas income comes from search engine deals.Then when you look at the revenue reports for the year, its stated in it that.

    Approximately 85% and 81% of Mozilla’s revenues from customers with contracts were derived from one customer for the years ended December 31, 2023 and 2022, respectively. Receivables from that one customer represented 70% and 64% of the December 31, 2023 and 2022 outstanding receivables, respectively.

    I'm no accountant and while Google is not specified. That sounds like the signs are pointing at google being 85% of the projects income.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Show me the adverts that GNOME or the KDE project pushes. How do I block ads in my Linux kernel? Where are the ffmpeg adverts? What about the curl ads? Where do you go about finding adverts in LibreOffice? I've never seen any ads in nginx, but maybe I've missed them.

    There's so much free software out there.

    Mozilla gets money, they can also apply for funding if things get that tight. Given that they're pouring money into useless projects no one has ever asked for, that's widely unpopular and has lost them a tonne of goodwill among their userbase, I don't think money is a massive problem for them.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    The fact that they can’t find enough utility in AI to make people want to use it is telling.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Moz: We're an AI first browser. There's AI in everything now!

    Everyone: Boooo *uninstalls*

    Moz: We're not an AI first browser. We've added these control features so you can reduce the AI.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago

    Too little, too late for me. I've already moved to Librewolf on everything with a GUI. Ironfox on my phone

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  • [–] 51 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    As a Firefox user, this is not long-awaited. It's a tepid excuse for a dead project. The forks of Firefox are the only real alternatives if you value privacy over convenience. If you don't, then there are faster browers than FF anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    As a 10-year FF user, do you have any recomendations to what to switch to?

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  • Waterfox if you want something that still feels like a modern browser, LibreWolf if you don't mind having stricter defaults. If you want the nuclear option, Mullvad browser is good, it is very inconvenient thoygh. At least for desktop. On mobile I use Vivaldi/Fennec/Vanadium depending on need

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    They lost me already. I've migrated away from base Firefox.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Alternative interpretation: the CEO had the focus on pushing the imaginary game-changer and so the controls came later.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Better nate than the lever at least, especially when you look at chrome in comparison.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    this is cool to see, Mozilla is not being perfect, but its better than chromium still, personally using Zen because thats the best browser for me, if firefox dies, so does it, and I personally don't want that, this is a win, even if having it be opt out sucks

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    where is the single user data collection and selling kill switch

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I've always seen "kill switch" being used in a negative tone, so with how the headline is written, it sounded like some AI feature that could kill the browser itself was implemented.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I'll use it, but I know that doing so will put me on some sort of asshole list and you will fuck me over.

    And I'm fine with that DO IT put me in the alligator camp or whatever, I'm done and done

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    what's the fedi opinion of ung00g chromium flatpak these days

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    [–] 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    That's good, but it would be better still if AI was opt-in instead of opt-out.

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