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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

The hell is a "major state"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    You gotta enforce traffic laws in order to maintain safety.

    Also*, where is Maine?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Wait what?? British Columbia is less than Alberta? There are single lanes in dangerous areas in comparison to Alberta.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    In fairness Australia has a low population density, and is not so mountainous, and we have very little snow et cetera.

    That said I guess we do have hazards like kangaroos, and a larger road network to maintain (per capita).

    Also depending on. When these stats are from they might pre-date the influx of shitty over-sized little-mans American cars. Thats sure to increase the rates of fatalities.

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mississippi is always the worst of any statistic

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Thought it would be interesting to compare with EU, they published an article in 2023 (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?oldid=630784) with the following data. This graph uses a number per 1 million inhabitants so divide by 10 to compare it.

    Road accident fatalities, 2023 (number per million inhabitants)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    As far as I know Finland has the world's strictest driving licence, so I'm actually surprised to see it posting worse statistics than Sweden here.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Sweden is as expected. 200-something fatalities for 10 million people. Norway stands out😃

    It got me thinking about definitions, though. For Sweden every death during transportation is counted (including busses, heavy trucks and single accidents with a bike), while the definition my 2 minute googling found for Canada said deaths resulting from accidents involving automobiles.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The stats are normalised for per 1 million inhabitants are they not?

    But your second point is definitely very good. I imagine getting consistent fully comparable numbers from all the various countries isn't easy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    How is norway so low?? We have mostly trash roads with a few noteable exceptions. Cliff on one side, river or fjord on the other. No shoulder worth mentioning unlike sweeden, that often have half a lane on either side of the road.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    driving requirements for license are vastly different among european countries, but also state of the cars, more wealthy nations replace older cars more quickly, so countries like Bulgaria and Romania often sit on their cars for sometimes generations. Add to that the constant honking and cutting off people, temperament of the populus

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  • [+] 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That might be skewed as most of their population are in New York City, and more than half of the city doesn't even own a car.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's pretty much the point of the chart. Better public infrastructure decrease the deaths from cars.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Or commuting accidents in traffic are rarely fatal.

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  • Both? Both. Massachusetts is right up there as well, and while Boston isn't as large or dense as NYC, a full 50% of the workforce in Boston commutes every day using the T. That's a huge portion of the people who go into and out of Boston daily from outside suburbs and towns who aren't on the roads.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I understand this is largely due to Americans wanting to get drunk like everyone else but also having to drive everywhere.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And terrible roads and/or regulations? I can't help but notice the worst offenders are conservative areas and those usually are neglectful.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    There are so many dumb regulations and circumstances that functionally push people to giant vehicles.

    For instance: I replaced my 2016 VW golf base model with an electric F150 this year for a multitude of reasons. I got a refund from insurance (with the same coverage). None of this makes sense except that I'm less likely to be injured by other motorists in my 3.5ton truck. I found this depressing.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    getting a drivers license in mississippi is basically show up to the DMV, suck a cock and drive home or what?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Victoria is that low cos they don’t fuck around when it comes to driving fines. The speed limit means limit, and they’re cracking down hard on drivers using phones.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Victorians are some of the worst/dangerous drivers I've seen, but I'm not in Victoria.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Yeah the only people worse at driving are Belgiuns. I say this with certainty having never been to Belgium and in direct conflict with the source presented to me. I simply know it to be true as an empath.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I mean,Australia has way less snow than the US, that definitely has to account for a chunk of the difference in our numbers.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mississippi gets negligible amounts of snowfall and it rarely sticks.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Im not saying its THE cause, just that the US as a whole has to regularly deal with a potential cause of accidents that is almost non-existent in Australia.

    We also have a significantly lower amount of bear attacks and it has nothing to do with the quality of our bear management programs.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    But Canada has way more snow than the U.S., so that doesn't seem to be a major factor.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Could be that Canada is ready for the snow it gets while you see some states shut down completely when they get a light dusting of snow.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah this is what I'm getting at.

    Canadians and northern states know how to drive in snow and in general can afford more comprehensive plowing and salting programs. Mississipi is both broke AF and gets snow rarely.

    So the programs suck and so do the drivers.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    from existing in a car in the US on a few occasions and living in australia i’d wager a HUGE amount of the difference is attitude… holy SHIT do yall speed like crazy! 15-20mph over the limit just seems to be standard… 15kph over the limit here in aus you literally watch them pass every other car and call them a dickhead - and they’ll almost certainly get a speeding fine

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am Australian, Ive been doing track days, drift days and have done a few amateur rallys too over the last 20 years and Ive never been more scared driving than a rental car in Austria in winter on holiday. Ice and snow is a whole different skillset.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    also true, but as other have said, mississippi doesn’t really get snow so given the massive difference between them and vic, i don’t think snow is really a particularly big contributor

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Took a closer look to see if I was surprised by any correlation about poverty, and browsed away with the belief that the south is still a shithole... which might still correlate with poverty. I think kansas/oregon is the first entry that wouldn't be 'south.'

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Drinkin' beers an' drivin' yer trukk is a highly traditional pastime in the US deep south. Typically done in the middle of the night, in my experience, for the maximum probability of contacting the local wildlife or making friends at high speed with a tree.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    I remember reading years back that Mississippi is the only state where it's legal for the driver to drink while driving (as long as they keep it below 0.08). Multiple defenders on Reddit said its safe because its still below the legal limit.

    Couldnt be related, could it? Nahhh

    https://dui.drivinglaws.org/resources/can-a-passenger-drink-alcohol.htm

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't know much about Mississippi, but I know that in neighboring Louisiana, there are drive-through daiquiri places.

    the fine print of the law says that the open container law is not applicable to containers with frozen alcoholic beverage where the lid is intact and no straw is protruding through the lid.

    In most cases, daiquiris adhere to the “tape rule.” Most daiquiri shops will put a piece of tape over the straw hold on the lid. If this tape is removed or broken then the drink is considered an open container.

    So a piece of tape counts as a "seal." They're not even trying.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah yes, a piece of tape. Tape can definitely not be lifted and replaced, right?

    I took a quick looks and seems like Mississippi has many drive through daiquiris bars also.

    https://m.yelp.com/search?cflt=drivethrubars&find_loc=Gulfport%2C+MS

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wait, are you saying BAC while driving must be 0.00 in some parts of the States, or am I misunderstanding? It's 0.05 in most (all?) parts of Australia (except if you're in a restricted licence category). It's not encouraged, but it's legal.

    Figured you guys would have more permissive laws than we do.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    No I'm saying you're not allowed to be drinking alcohol while you drive. Which you are in Mississippi.

    USA freedom warriors (tm) on Reddit say 'that's fine because they still have to be under the legal limit'. Unable to fathom that the idea of normalizing drinking alcohol while you drive encourages irresponsible behaviour amongst other negatives, beyond just staying under the BAC limit.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    New Jersey is too low. Serious doubts about the validity of this table.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Probably not. The state has been implementing Vision Zero as a statewide program along with several cities.

    The two major highways have lower than average accidents due to design.

    One of the state's signature traffic configurations, the Jersey Jughandle, eliminates left turn movements on older highways, a major source of accidents.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    You can always count on Mississippi! I'm surprised Texas isn't higher, we drive like maniacs.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'd like to see the % of trucks vs cars for each location.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The south is killing it!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Where are Idaho, Wyoming and Montana?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    There are only 36 states represented here by my count. It says "major" states, whatever that means. But 14 in total are missing either because of their smaller populations, or because their fatality rate is low enough that they would fall off the right hand side of the chart and thus wouldn't fit the "America Drivers Bad" narrative quietly being implied, here.

    Edit: I looked up the numbers for my state in the same year (and no, I'm not telling the public which one). We would be at 1.2 on this chart if my math is correct, which is well below even the shortest bar for Victoria, there.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    While I'd prefer to see every state and province represented, I imagine only metro areas matter here anyway. The dangers of the road are quite different when your largest city has a sliver of density compared to the rest, though by that token, density is probably a factor that even large states should account for (which would probably put NYC very low on the list lol)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I decided to look and found that this metric is almost always measured by vehicle distance travelled rather than by population. Basically the graph OP shared is useless and meant to support a narrative, as you stated.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Does that mean that Canadians in Alberta, Quebec, and Ontario simply don't drive long distances inside their provinces? That doesn't track with what I've seen when visiting all three provinces.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Calgary relatives: "oh I'm just going to zip up to Edmonton for the day" or go for a coffee 40km to the other side of town or just do the daily 130km commute etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    For AB I'm thinking its more "I can't afford to live in Banff, but that's where work is so a place in Canmore is where I call home with a 30 min commute each way."

    Or "Yeah I like living in Red Deer, but it means a 1.5 hour drive one way if I want to see the Flames beat the skates off the Leafs when they're in town."

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Not surprised by SC, as a Canadian I had one accident in 40 years of driving, it was in SC, caused by a 17yo girl driving an old suburban or something.

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  • It's around 2.5 per 100 000 in Norway.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    SOUTH CAROLINA #2!!!! 🥳🥳🎉🎊🎉🎉🎊🍻🥳🎉🎉🪅

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  • I'm guessing gun violence is much the same.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The thing that surprised me most after moving to Oregon was how bad the drivers were. I've lived in many states across the South, the Midwest, and West Coast and I've never encountered drivers so consistently vindictive, entitled and reckless as the drivers in Oregon.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I assume this includes pedestrians and cyclist deaths? It's by population rather than by "car" or "km driven" but I'd like to see a per county breakdown.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    USA #1! 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is it the issue of safety standards?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm guessing there is some correlation to total miles(/km) driven. Not all of it, but some. If people in one location drive drastically less distance annually, I'd expect their numbers to show drastically lower on the chart, as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How the heck are Victorians down the bottom? Is it just the sheer size of our population keeping that number in check...?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you can survive hook turns you can survive anything.

    Also less country for country driving

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There's some truth to that (wonder what percentage of fatalities are hook turn related...?), though most of my "if you can survive" experiences have been with drivers overtaking on the shoulder, overtaking in the right hand turn queue and then making a dangerous turn, losing control of their speeding vehicle in the Burnley Tunnel or on the West Gate Bridge, or deciding that stopping for red lights and/or pedestrians (crossing legally) is optional.

    Obviously anecdotal, with a sample size of just one, but these are experiences I've had as a driver, passenger, pedestrian, or onlooker from a shop/restaurant/inside a tram. Didn't happen anywhere near as frequently when I lived in Sydney or Brisbane.

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