TitleWASHINGTON — SpaceX is seeking Federal Communications Commission approval for a satellite constellation of unprecedented scale intended to function as an orbital data center.

In a filing with the FCC late Jan. 30, SpaceX proposed an orbital data center constellation of up to one million satellites in low Earth orbit. The satellites would operate at altitudes between 500 and 2,000 kilometers, in 30-degree and sun-synchronous inclinations, to maximize time in sunlight for solar power generation.

“By directly harnessing near-constant solar power with little operating or maintenance cost, these satellites will achieve transformative cost and energy efficiency while significantly reducing the environmental impact associated with terrestrial data centers,” the company said in the filing.

“Launching a constellation of a million satellites that operate as orbital data centers is a first step toward becoming a Kardashev Type II civilization — one that can harness the sun’s full power — while supporting AI-driven applications for billions of people today and ensuring humanity’s multiplanetary future among the stars,” SpaceX added.

A constellation of one million satellites would far exceed any system seriously considered. China filed plans with the International Telecommunication Union in late December for two constellations totaling nearly 200,000 satellites. In 2021, Rwanda filed ITU plans for constellations exceeding 300,000 satellites, linked to proposals by startup E-Space, which no longer appears to be pursuing such a system.

The application included few technical details, such as satellite size, mass or specific orbital parameters. SpaceX said it plans to place the satellites in “largely unused orbital altitudes” within the proposed range. Satellites in higher sun-synchronous orbits, which would remain in sunlight more than 99% of the time, would support applications requiring constant computing capacity, while those in lower-inclination orbits would handle peaks in demand to balance system loads.

A key feature of the proposed system is reliance on intersatellite optical links for communications among the satellites and with Starlink spacecraft, which would then relay data to the ground.

However, the satellites will also operate in the Ka-band, primarily as a backup for telemetry, tracking and command uses. SpaceX said those communications, which would require an FCC license, would take place on “a non-interference, unprotected basis."

The filing did not include a deployment schedule or cost estimate. SpaceX requested a waiver of FCC milestone requirements that typically require half of a constellation to be deployed within six years of authorization and the full system within nine years. The company argued the milestones are intended to prevent spectrum warehousing and are unnecessary because it would use Ka-band spectrum on a non-interference basis.

SpaceX and its chief executive, Elon Musk, have shown a strong interest in orbital data centers in recent months as demand for computing power to support artificial intelligence applications grows. That demand is a key driver behind SpaceX’s plans for an initial public offering, which could occur as early as this summer and raise tens of billions of dollars.

Recent reports have suggested Musk is also considering merging SpaceX with xAI, his artificial intelligence and social media company, or potentially combining SpaceX with Tesla, the publicly traded electric vehicle manufacturer that has invested heavily in AI technologies for autonomous driving and robotics.

Much of the filing emphasizes the advantages of orbital data centers, a concept being explored by both established companies and startups. SpaceX argues that rising costs and power demands of terrestrial data centers, combined with falling launch costs, could make space-based computing more economical in the coming years.

“Freed from the constraints of terrestrial deployment, within a few years the lowest cost to generate AI compute will be in space,” SpaceX said, enabling advances in AI models at “unprecedented speeds and scales.”

The system would leverage SpaceX’s experience with its Starlink constellation and its Starship launch vehicle, which the company plans to use to deploy next-generation Starlink satellites as well as the orbital data center constellation.

“With Starship’s ability to deliver unprecedented tonnage to orbit for AI compute, the capacity for intelligence processing in space could surpass the electricity consumption of the entire U.S. economy, without the immense cost and disruption of rebuilding Earth’s strained electrical grid to support the explosive demand for data centers,” SpaceX said.

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[–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

we dont need to see the stars anyway, right?

Launching a constellation of a million satellites that operate as orbital data centers is a first step toward becoming a Kardashev Type II civilization — one that can harness the sun’s full power — while supporting AI-driven applications for billions of people today and ensuring humanity’s multiplanetary future among the stars,” SpaceX added.

whatever. a. its around the sun not the earth. b. volumetric numbers are so infinitesimally small as to be functionally zero.

that theyd drag kardashev into this reeks of musks bullshit machine. dude is so completely full of shit it oozes out of him 24/7

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    [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Jesus Christ

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Hopefully the AI bubble will burst before that happens.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    What a load of horse shit.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago

    I guess the Kardashev scale won't advance itself. I just didn't expect AI slop to be what prompted it.

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    [–] 83 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Because the FCC has jurisdiction over all of space around our globe?

    It is about damn time something is being done about the amount of crap that is being launched into orbit.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Scott Manley has a video on this:
    https://youtu.be/DCto6UkBJoI

    My takeaway is that it isn't unfeasible. We already have satellites that do a couple kilowatts, so a cluster of them might make sense. In isolation, it makes sense.
    But there is launch cost, and the fact that de-orbiting/de-commissioning is a write-off, and the fact that preferred orbits (lots of sun) will very quickly become unavailable.
    So there is kinda a graph where you get the preferred orbit, your efficiency is good enough, your launch costs are low enough.
    But it's junk.
    It's literally investing in junk.
    There is no way this is a legitimate investment.

    It has a finite life, regardless of how you stretch your tech. At some point, it can't stay in orbit.
    It's AI. There is no way humans are in a position to lock in 4 years of hardware.
    It's satellites. There are so many factors outside of our control that (beyond launch orbit success), that there is a massive failure rate.
    It's rockets. They are controlled explosives with 1 shot to get it right. Again, massive failure rate.

    It just doesn't make sense.
    It's feasible. I'm sure humanity would learn a lot. AI is not a good use of kilowatts of power in space. AI is not a good use of the finite resource of earth to launch satellites (never mind a million?!). AI is not a good reason to pullute the "good" bits of LEO

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not to mention all that stuff left in space can't just be brought down safely to reuse/recycle like other materials. So it's a permanent loss of resources.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    And not just the resources, those orbits are going to be cluttered with slowly-deorbiting junk too. Until we get around to making something that can clean them up, we won't be able to put anything else there.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    This administration is only going to approve these satellites if they are powered by coal.

    Or if you give them a big fat bribe, either one will suffice.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    on par for musk. spew out an idea that sounds revolutionary to those who are less tech literate when in reality it’s just another con to pump a stock and produce junk

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Sun power for data centers? How do they transfer generated energy? Or are satellites themselves data centers? :P

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Indeed, the plan for SpaceX is to literally launch computers into orbit to have orbiting data centers.

    No, I cannot explain why this seems like a good idea to anybody. Beyond, “Elon Musk likes juicing his stock by announcing useless sci-fi plans that won’t come true”

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Space is probably the worst place to have a data center for multiple reasons, the biggest reason being heat.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Don’t think the goal is to get something functional, but to get money for it. The hardware would become outdated in short order even if you could overcome the heating issue.

    He will just raise money in this grift and then run away with it, like literally every other grift he’s ever done. He’s never cared about it being realistic. Note the extreme lack of people on both the moon and mars, despite his promises of a colony in the early 202Xs. Note how his cars still don’t have FSD.

    He’s just a liar.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's never a good idea to have the latest very sensitive GPUs in orbit where cosmic radiation can hit them and disrupt calculations. Or you put some old school robust versions up there, but then they're too slow compared to ground based tech.

    GPUs don't last that long anyway. 5 years is a number you see often. Less with constant radiation. There is no upgrade or replace. That means these satellites will just stay up there for a few years until they de-orbit them and then we have a million satellites burning up in the atmosphere.

    GPUs are also very power hungry. One modern rack of 72 GPUs sucks 120 kW. All solar panels of the ISS deliver 215 kW. These things won't be small. And you needs hundreds to thousands to get the capacity of one data center.

    So far, putting them in orbit doesn't seem to make things easier.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Don't forget heat. You can't just drain the local water supply to cool all your systems in space, you need to actually radiate all those kilowatts of power after your chips convert them into heat.

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    Also thanks too Moore's "Law", pretty much anything launched will have 1/2 the processing power of something on the ground of equivalent size every 2 years.

    Part of the success of cloud hosting is that thanks to Moore's law companies were hesitant to buy hardware only to have it quickly become outdated*.

    *cloud servers are actually pretty expensive so it really didn't work out like this, but by the time that was obvious, the advantage of cloud was you had support for aaS Software built in (e.g Database, load balancing, caching, etc), and downstream of that is the death of open source vendors being able to get by selling support, but I'm sure that won't have any negative effects 🙄.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    That's a lot of targets. Bring it on.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Well, how will they cool their space data center? You can't use a heat pump to transfer heat to the space.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago*

    While to that apartheid bastard seem to be a wonderful idea of having data away from the prying hands of world governments, as they try replicating cyberpunk sci-fi concept of placing stateless corporate data havens in orbit, current limitations of technology, bad space weather which could fry pricey circuits and worrying problems with space debris makes such a concept less feasible.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Kessler syndrome here we come!

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Lol, either these won't be able to cool themselves or they will pump out heat straight into the upper atmosphere, which seems like a bad idea (I honestly don't know enough but I suspect we simply don't have the data to know what long term negative effects it will have)

    Also just like Starlink this is a really dumb way to solve any problem other than how to inflate SpaceX valuations.

    Now the lie that Starlink is resistant to censorship has been exposed twice (Ukraine & Iran), this is just the test Elon Grift.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    This was my first thought, cooling in space is hard. There isn't a medium for the heat to transfer through, outside of inferred radiation. I could be very wrong on this though

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    This idiot can't even figure out self-driving cars, but we're supposed to trust him to point microwaves at the Earth's surface? All so that he can power a technology that no one wants or needs?

    Fuck this timeline.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I would like to say unlikely, because we have a relatively small orbit band that has 100% sun exposure and this is just a stunt of Musk to foster SpaceX. But with the current administration, who knows.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I wonder at which point the amount of satellites in orbit would begin to measurably reduce the incident solar radiation on the surface. If we could block out the sun to cool the earth and capture that energy at the same time to do useful work, that'd be pretty cool.

    But this would probably just go to powering orbital datacenters running Grok, so we're fucked anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I don't think blocking out the sun is the answer to global warming lol

    Having lived through 3 partial/total solar eclipses, even a small shift in the amount of light really fucks with the rhythm of the entire environment. Birds stopped chirping entirely at noon last time. We'd just be replacing one form of global disaster with another.

    Not to mention we'd end up fully saturating the available orbital space around earth, causing constant satellite crashes and the complete inability to launch rockets through the mesh and debris. At a certain point the satellites would cease to function entirely through all the trash orbiting earth and at that point we'd have essentially walled ourselves off from ever safely exploring space. It's a terrible idea all around

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Not a space expert but in v1.5 isn't the center of mass being unaligned with the center of drag going to cause issues over time?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    As if SpaceX could actually do that

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    From the thumbnail I thought they're gonna launch a line of smart watches

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    UHH how about no. Elon is on the fucking Epstein lists. Mark my words but this is somehow a part of Israel’s agenda to take over the world and control everybody under facism.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This is weirdly close to actual anti semitism. Israel is a genocidal state, reasonable people can agree, but there being a secret plan to control the world reaks of something more dog whistle-ish.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Just keep watching. People have been shouting Epstein was working for Israel for the longest time and people said exactly what you just said.

    Recent development shows that was actually becoming the case.

    Occam’s razor.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Oh boy, I bet the comments on this one will be useful.

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