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[–] 130 points 9 months ago (26 children)

People are using AI a lot, or people were already using programs with recently added AI features a lot?

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  • [–] 141 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Day 1: We have 1 million Excel users.

    Day 2: we added Copilot to Excel, we have 1 million new CoPilot users!

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    One of my bosses was screen sharing with me this week and had co-pilot up in Excel. I don't know what he was doing with it. he started fucking around with it while he was screen sharing, just doing something unrelated to what we were talking about. I know he was just trying to bait me into asking what was going on.

    fuck that, I don't care, I know you love your AI, I don't give a shit, it's not useful for what I do and I don't want to talk about how it can almost do something kind of right

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    I love/hate that this is a common experience. Someone did this to me too, although this was sort of a work friend taking the piss.

    I have straight up backhandedly implied people senior to me who get paid 5x more than I do are throwing any possible expertise they might have out of the window. To their face. My stance on these slop extruders is well known among my colleagues.

    I’ve even told people who used them in front of me, in a gentle but unflinching way, that their willingness to use them uncritically is a red flag for me and that comparing my genuine work to general machine output is something I can’t simply decide not to take as an insult. Including people who are supposed to review my work. As a professional I have to do something that exceeds the first page of Google in specificity. I do the long yards. Why is that suddenly a problem? If our work was this simple why are we getting paid to do it?

    Some of these people trust me enough that they’re getting queasy about the whole AI thing after initially giving in. Yeah it’s decent at summarizing mass emails from corporate. Summarizing mass emails from corporate is not our fucking job. At least two people were paid subscribers to OpenAI’s product and no longer pay for chatbots. Proselytizing against the death of critical thinking is not a lost cause.

    I have to get the fuck out of corporate.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Isn't Copilot integrated with the Windows taskbar search?

    I think the sole reason Copilot is used at all is because they've forced it in applications it has no place in, and requires it remain on by default.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I have never liked having a search box in the taskbar. My taskbar is for pinned programs, open programs, volume, Ethernet/wifi, and a clock. Nothing more.

    You can remove copilot from windows 11 completely now...with an outside program.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I love having a search box on my taskbar. I want it to search my PC for installed apps and files and nothing else. I certainly don't want to do a fucking Bing search for "Settings"

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    yeah, I actually like it now, but that's mostly because they made the start menu so fucked up and full of shit

    I've adjusted to just hitting start and typing the first few characters of what I want to open and slapping enter. I'm okay with that process, I actually kind of like it. I don't need to look at what's going on and I don't need to move my hand over to the mouse. The only problem, and this is kind of a big thing, is that yeah it doesn't search just my fucking installed programs, and sometimes it just opens another program that doesn't even match what I typed. so the 60% success rate at best is kind of a big failure

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    When I'm imagining some Win3.11-style UI, like in Star Wars: Rebellion game, I feel that a search box in the taskbar would be fine. The results should come up in a new normal separate window, of course. Not in a poisoned version of star menu.

    The issue is not with having a control element in the taskbar. The issue is with those control elements being very hard to use. The response times are bad. The elements are not clearly separated. The results coming up are hard to navigate. It's as if you were badly drugged and trying to find something in a heap of black sheets with luminous text in a dark room.

    And also dynamic search on every change of that field is idiotic. They might do auto-completion if it's fast.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The original Copilot is GitHub Copilot which is a coding assistant and it's very popular and useful for developers. I think most of the paying copilot customers and usage are coming from there.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It only makes sense economically when they have as many people as possible using it and giving feedback.

    Where feedback can be concealed, like how your actions after requesting advice correlate with it, or whether you clarify your request and how many times.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    That'd be my guess.

    I have never once went out of my way to use Gemini, for example, but having it appear in every other Google search with some lying bullshit to spread is probably driving up their engagement numbers.

    I really should stop using Google. But can't use DDG either because they just use Bing and their own AI service as well, and so does Kagi.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    If it helps, you can use https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ to stop the auto-AI inserts.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah but you can do the same with Google as well (just can't be arsed to change the search settings on my work PC), it's the principle of the thing.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    So you can’t be arsed to live up to your own principles?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    I can't be arsed to keep up with changing the config of the browser I didn't choose every time the device updates with new admin-defined settings. That's all.

    On my personal device I still use Google right now for consistency/because change is hard, but I set the default behavior in Firefox to exclude AI results.

    I'd just prefer to use/support a search engine that abstains from AI entirely, regardless of whether or not you can turn it off. I don't want to be a happy customer of companies that still try to weasel that stuff in, because they won't stop at a toggle. They never do.

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  • [–] 187 points 9 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Oh no you should not say slop it hurts feelings.

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  • [–] 46 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I have it on my work laptop, because unfortunately my company bought into the hype. Every once in a while I ask it how to do a thing, just to see if it will help. So far copilot has been wrong 100% of the time.

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  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago

    I have to give it this much respect: When I logged in to office.com (for work) recently and was confronted with the Copilot chat-box, I asked it how to disable Copilot. It was honest, and told me that it's not possible because this is Microsoft's new product strategy. Then, I asked how I could never see Copilot again.

    It (no joke!) told me to install Linux.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    And are these people using Microsoft’s Copilot AI a lot in the room with us now, Satya?

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago

    Yea, sure. They're unwilling "active users" because they accidentally click on some copilot garbage that's been shoved into every inch of Windows. While I see plenty of folks using various AI tools, none of those tools are copilot.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago

    "A lot" is a great, quantifiable metric there, computer man! 👍👍👍📈💯🍾

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, by accident.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago*

    Yeah, MS Teams (not my choice) had a pop-up that said that in order for a meeting to be recorded, I needed to accept that my video and what I say will be used by Microsoft for various purposes including training copilot.

    So, that counts as me using copilot, right? /s

    edit: A word

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Well yeah, you rename a core product to Copilot and suddenly you have tons of users

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago
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    Didn't they add copilot to notepad, to the file Explorer, to windows I assume as a non removable service (internet explorer anyone?), and to who knows how many more places?

    Whatever metrics they claim to have are for sure not inflated. /s

    If people are indeed using copilot a lot then great: good for you, please shut up, you don't need me on-board.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Man this guy looks like a husk of curses.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    Whether they like it or not.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Copilot is such trash. Used it with my daughters project on Amerigo Vespucci. Copilot linked me to Christopher Columbus' journeys. Gemini linked me to the actual information and even in Geminis own search results, the Microsoft one was wrong.

    I hated using AI but come on. If you are going to destroy the planet micro slop, at least do it well.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    I just rebuilt my Win 11 Pro Workstation setup (yes, it is the version for stupidly high core and thread counts), and one of the first things I did was to violently eviscerate anything AI in the system. Right after gleefully ripping out all the telemetry and spyware.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You stopped a bit short on your delete spree I guess.

    But then again, I don't know your workflow and needs; so I'm glad it works for you.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You stopped a bit short on your delete spree I guess.

    No, that was just the first two steps. Just on the “rip shit out” category, I typically churn through at least three separate tools, usually in this order:

    • Win10Privacy
    • Win11Debloat
    • Winslop

    I mean, sure, Windows can take as little as a half hour to “install”. But on a personal rig (which also includes my own workflow software and personal data shoehorned back into place), I take another 24-48 hours to gleefully beat it into submission and install secondary programs that bypass the warts it has acquired over the years.

    And as a benchmark, XP needed only about 6-8hrs of extra work to reach the same threshold of data migration, workflow software, and improved usability (I was an NT fanboy, IMO the primary improvement of XP over 2000 was the start menu).

    If we add up the AI push, the spyware/telemetry explosion, the recent attempts to force the use of a Microsoft Account as the default login, and the massive bloating and instability of Windows in general, it’s slowly becoming time for even non-technical, everyday users to move to Linux.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    Ohh, that would be all the developers at jobs with daily AI use quotas running scheduled scripts to make it look like they are using AI so they don't lose their jobs.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I ask copilot bullshit that I don’t even read sometimes just so it looks like I’m using ai more. Because my employer demands it and will start tracking AI usage for perf evals!

    Great system we have going, here.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Create a loop of copilot talking with itself using the copilot CLI 😉

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Finger on the monkey's paw curls

    Too little delay on the automated back and forth.

    Clueless middle management dork sees (imagines) amazing, promotion-grade results - huzzah, obviously I was right all along!

    Things get weirder, and worse.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    No, they're not. 90% of the "use" is them forcing it on us.

    I just tried using my voice to call my son on the phone, and Co-Pilot answered, explained what it could do for me, and finally made the call. It took at least 5 times longer than usual to just dial a number. I didn't ask for Co-Pilot, I barely can stand the old way, this new one really, really sucks, and again, I didn't ask for this, it forced itself on my life.

    Fuck this AI shit, complicating everything just so some CEOs can rationalize their stupid bonuses.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    I mean if it auto generates the summary and all by just opening a word documents then yeah it's being "used" but human in the chair is just ignoring that as another bloat

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Since they renamed Microsoft Office to Copilot, they have millions of Copilot users. It’s almost as popular as Google+ when Google made all Gmail users Google+ users.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Yeah cause when I instinctively click the Microsoft learn link below the Azure error it takes me to copilot instead of documentation.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    No, we just can't delete it.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    I edited my registry to disable it.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Because they keep cramming it in all my apps at work and every time I load my email, it tries to open Copilot?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago*

    I just uninstalled my outlook because of forced copilot garbage and forcing me to the cloud when I just wanted to open a pdf. I was enraged and now I am done with all microslop garbage. I used to have an annual subscription too.

    Already on Linux, was just too lazy to switch everything but this was enough.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Probably GitHub Copilot.

    The rest just sucks.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Hey, Satya. You aren't fooling anyone and you don't have the knack of bald-faced lying like Kristi and Donny.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Copilot: forces an AI summary at the top of every word document, intercepts every copy and paste, is injected in every search result

    Stays: People love this shit, they use it all the time!

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    "The source is that I made it the fuck up!"

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I use the office apps for college and I avoid the AI, its annoying, it pops up and im usually saying " wtf is this" no i need a blank document

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    I used it for my first time this year. For like a week. That was all.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Because Slopya has been shoving it down our throats everywhere. Office, Windows, GitHub,...

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I use it for .net syntax and .net lib references I figure if it's good for anything it's that. I also used it to write a soulless email about communication and accountability I had to send a dev after he just set himself out of office for 4 days and missed his deliverable deadline.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago
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    I'd believe him more if it was opt in and very clearly let folks know.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    They utterly trashed their OS, a globally ~dominant cash cow, at an astonishing pace. By completely, eagerly (forcibly!) jumping the gun on exciting new tech, maybe the single above-all "thing you never do with anything even like a cash cow of any shape or size".

    As in, that is known - viscerally, below the level of words or even thought, as if that knowledge originates from another realm - by anyone who has ever actually been directly responsible for any valuable piece of technology.

    The depth of ignorance and really just flat-out juvenile naivety (fueled by naked greed) that produced this is something I'll probably be thinking about for the rest of my life. Truly amazing, just historically, I mean mythically foolish.

    This dude has been locked into this outcome for a long time, and it's getting increasingly obvious how disastrous it is.

    There are no dances left for him to perform except "it's really not that bad!"

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Since they renamed M362 to Copilot the usage numbers have been off the chart!

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Well, if you count its uninstall feature, sure.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It's like they need this to be true

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Weren't they just begging us to use their slop machine like a week ago? Now it's being used "a lot"? Sure Jan, lie to pump the stock.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    To be fair, there are a fair amount of Linux users on Lemmy.as for the millions who’ve never heard of Lemmy? I’m not confident they are not. Especially given the crap we have to clean out of my parent’s computer every couple months.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    never did, never will ✨

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    of course they are, slop boy.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    That sounds expensive. Is it making money?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    AI executives don't matter

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Absolutely NOT in office/email/whatever. But I must say copilot in vscode is very useful, auto-completion and for small tasks, it can generates code not that bad, just need small mod here and there and that's it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I'd love to see the numbers for computers with it immediately uninstalled.

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