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[–] 177 points 9 months ago* (40 children)

Its been a long while since I've read the books or seen the movies, but weren't they escaping WW2?

Seems kinda... worse than taxes and the subway. "Ah yes, lets give up on this magical world to return to ours to get *checks notes* bombed. Perfect."

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  • [–] 84 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    Been a while for me, too, but didn't they find their way back by accident?

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  • [–] 78 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Pretty sure they were also old as hell too, so they got to like regain their youth. Sort of a win if you don’t mind living, well, here. You know, rather than a magical world with talking animals and stuff.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    As I recall, they were adults but not old. I think they were riding through the forest, got off their horses to follow some light in the denser trees or something, then fell out of the wardrobe and couldn't get back.

    In hindsight, those horses definitely fled the country or got executed.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I really hope they instituted democratic elections or at least established a clear line of succession because the power vacuum caused by the sudden disappearance of the entire top level of revolutionary leaders is bad news for everyone hoping for a peaceful couple of decades.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah I think based on the later books, Peter would’ve been at most like maybe early thirties but probably only late twenties by the time they leave Narnia. And Lucy would’ve been like early to mid twenties. So they were adults, but certainly not old. In fact, it’s mentioned that Susan was courted by many princes and in The Horse and His Boy (warning: it’s super fucking racist and Islamophobic) she’s genuinely considering marrying someone but it turns out he’s pretty horrible. Right after the events of The Horse and His Boy, the kids hunt the white stag, see the lamppost, dimly remember the Wardrobe and end up back in our world

    As for the horses, unlike in the movies, in the books it’s said that it’s very rare for people to ride talking horses bc talking horses are free in Narnia. So in the books they would’ve been riding normal horses that they probably wouldn’t bother punishing

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm somewhat relieved to hear they were dating other humans

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Well… not in Narnia, no. There is a completely separate show (based on different books iirc) called The Magicians which as a concept is like Narnia but darker (also a bit of Harry Potter bc there’s a magical grad school). And in The Magicians they do bring up the matter of human-animal relationships since the animals in the magical world can talk and all

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    So, are the non-talking horses... Retarded or something like that? Why do they not talk?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    So basically in The Magician’s Nephew we see the creation of Narnia and how the White Witch got there. And after creating all the animals Aslan picked out two from a handful of different species and gave them the ability to speak. He also made the small animals, like squirrels, bigger and the big animals, like elephants, smaller (but only the ones that could speak changed size). So the descendants of the speaking ones can speak and the non-speaking ones (which are literally called the dumb ones in the books) can’t speak. Some species can’t talk and aren’t intelligent, like the mice in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. But bc the mice in that book chewed through the ropes that bound Aslan on the stone table they were eventually gifted with speech and intelligence which is why Reepicheep and his friends can talk by the time of Voyage of the Dawn Treader

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Reading all of this is both hilarious and disturbing. The post itself and this whole comment chain is just "I read it 30 years ago and barely remember anything but here's my take on those vague memories". And I'm replying to the very top comments, what the fuck is happening? It's so fucking weird.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    lmao yeah it's a Ken Burns documentary where we are getting the first hand accounts of the civil war because we can't go back and watch the reply of the actual events but instead it's a comment thread about a tweet about a movie about a book.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago

    Not only that but in the books they live there until they are adults and have forgotten about the real world. They rediscover the wardrobe while hunting. When they leave narnia the become kids again with all their memories intact.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Susan was not the sharpest bulb.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I am worried for how you did the lighting in your house..

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I use the light generated by my indoor kerosene heaters.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    And occasionally the curtains.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Far more occasionally as I'm running out of curtains.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If they were escaping war, they sure did fight a lot in Narnia. And escaping the war has multiple layers in that lots of children were sent away from cities to safer places in the countryside as well as the escapism of Narnia. In the end they also escaped life via train crash, though that's beside the point.

    This will give some of the context for the backdrop of the war.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    they were rich britbongs though werent they? barely in danger

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I don't think they were rich, but they were definitely not lower class.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    they had a massive walk-in wardrobe with hundreds of different outfits, in a time before SEA slave labor/modern industry made clothing incredibly cheap...they rich as fuck

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    If you’re talking about the wardrobe they find Narnia in, that’s not their house. The the house of the old, rich professor they are staying with in the countryside, safe from the bombings during the war. The Pevensies themselves are meant to be like middle class I think

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Gentle reminder that slave labor, industrial automation and exploitation of far away lands were not even recent in 1950, and that still today, the vast majority of humanity still doesn’t have the means to own hundreds of outfits at a given time, let alone have a walk-in wardrobe.

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  • [–] 118 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (54 children)

    I've thought about the isekai genre (ending up in another world) a lot lately and how a big part is usually the characters trying to find a way home. I wondered what percentage of people would actually want that nowadays. I suspect it's considerably lower than it used to be.

    "As for you, young lady, you want to go home, right?"

    "No, not anymore. I want to stay here and become the new wicked witch."

    "Nonsense! Now click your big honking boots together three times and wish to go home to Kansas to live in poverty with your dirt-farming, teetotaling aunt and uncle!"

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Old isekai had the MC want to go home. Modern isekai has the MC wanting to start over and stay in their new world. You can chart the change based on how dissolutioned young adults are about the Japanese Dream of stable employment and raising a family.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    The fantastic book series Magic Kingdom For Sale is basically about this. I started reading what I assumed would be a lighthearted comedy and it literally opens with our main character lost in alcoholic depression because of an awful tragedy. The fantasy land he's sent to is hostile, but it provides him enough hope to fight for a better world there.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's bad when the idea of dealing with a fantasy Dark Lord is more appealing than real life. At least it's clear who the good and bad guys are.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I think much of the appeal of these stories, and post-apocalyptic ones, is that they put you in front of problems that are easier to understand and deal with. Needing to find food is a simple concept, even if it can be a difficult task, it's something we have evolved to deal with.

    Emails and taxes, not so much.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (28 children)

    There's a big trend in recent isekai to just outright kill the character at the beginning. So, you're either reincarnated into another world or your soul is snatched upon death and body recreated in the other world as an explanation for why the character isn't spending their whole time just trying to get back, but I do think that would be an interesting angle to explore.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Fabiniku is more along these lines. With the additional twist of the protag's boon being his best friend getting dragged in with him to help him out, so there's some exploration of why one or both would want to go back home.

    ...and genderbending.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (24 children)

    I can only think of two Isekais where the whole plot is the main character trying to get home, and the anime fans are gonna hate which two things those are.

    A Kid in King Arthur's Court and Farscape.

    3 if Quantum Leap could be counted as an isekai.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Since we're talking that era, Sliders was a great show early on and it's a tragedy nobody knows it.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    The Wizard of Oz, which Futurama is parodying, definitely counts! Yes, Dorothy wants to help the randos she meets, but the whole reason she's going to the Emerald City in the first place is to try to get home to live in poverty with her dirt-farming, teetotaling aunt and uncle.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Futurama, too. But without the "wanting to go home" aspect.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Interestingly, when Fry is actually presented with a way to get home via a forward-traveling time machine and a universe that resets, he never brings up getting off at 1999 and it's never mentioned in any way.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Because the future is where he belonged. The nibblers would just find another way to bring him to the future.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Quantum leap is an Isekai. Getting home is a mainstay of the "Summoned Hero" genre of isekai.

    Anime examples include:

    The Rising of the Shield Hero

    My Status as the Assassin Obviously Exceeds the Hero's

    My Instant Death Ability Is So Overpowered, No One In This Other World Stands A Chance Against Me!

    Arifureta: From Commonplace to World's Strongest

    Non anime example: Black Knight

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    I wasn't sure because the only reason I even say A Kid in King Arthur's court counts even though he just goes back in time is because he goes so far back in time, nothing he knew about the world he knows really applies making him effectively in another world. Sam never goes back too far, but, then again, wasn't he also from the far future? 🤔

    Also: Black Knight is basically A Kid in King Arthur's Court which I just lump together. lol

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (7 children)
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    The plot does not revolve around anyone trying to get home in that, tho. Kagome gets to go home whenever she wants, and does frequently.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    Eh, she has to get the gem pieces to stop the destruction of the past so she can stay home and often struggles to return to the present and stay there for any amount of time.
    She even at the end stays in the past, missing it as her found home.

    Its very isekai adjacent.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    No, no. It's an isekai for sure, it just isn't one that revolves around the protagonist trying to get home. The "getting home" plot line is the thing I haven't seen much and could only think of those two examples off the top of my head.

    Plenty of isekai where the main character doesn't care to go home or can't go home (usually because they died and the other world is some kind of reincarnation or afterlife). Such as with Inuyasha, Futurama, and nearly all those animes with the super long titles about being overpowered in another world.

    Heck, the ending of the orginal Fullmetal Alchemist turned it into an isekai when Edward ends up in the real world's WW2 era Germany.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Jesus that first ending of fullmetal alchemist where someone thought they weren't being obvious enough with the fascist metaphor...

    I guess its not a good escape fantasy if you are reminded of the place you are trying to escape from all the time.

    But I have 2 more off the top of my head and you won't like either.
    Sword Art Online
    Digimon Adventures
    Technically both about children trying to get home after disaster. It seems to be the only group that tries to go home.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I haven't seen Sword Art Online, but isn't that one sorta kinda like .Hack//Sign? Like they're trapped in VR?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yup trapped in VR except its using peoples real bodies instead of character models with their real world fitness (at first, coma people ain't doing all that) and die in game die for real.
    So like as close to a full isekai but reversible if they beat the game (100 level MMO), which the protagonist doesnt want to do but everyone else does because he is so edgy until he finds love and can have it in the "real world"

    But its like 10,000 people get isekaid mentally at the same time. Second season is about going back in to get someone that didnt manage to come back the first time either.

    There is a really really fantastic abridged series on YouTube by Something Witty Entertainment if you like crass but wholesome humor. Fixed a lot of the character flaws and terrible writing.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yeah it would be cool to be really overt about it, have the character be perfectly able to go home but they're just like "nah, fuck that place" lol. I'm sure it exists somewhere but I don't think I've seen it before.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    It makes more sense when the isekai is the character getting transported away and immediately placed in mortal danger over and over like Wizard of Oz. Dorothy has a choice of a provincial life where she might grow up and a world where flying monkeys attack her every chance they get and she's never not on the run the entire story.

    If I were isekai'd I would probably be extremely curious about whether I had a connection to my old world. But I wouldn't necessarily leap to go the first chance I got.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm aware of a few early isekai works from like the 80's to 90's (Dunbine, Elf Hunter, and quite a few western Choose Your Own Adventure books and pulp novels fall into this category). It seems to be that as a trend, the premise is that the main character wants to get back to the "real" world and that usually drives the main plot.

    Then theres a big trend of Isekai light novels (and related anime etc) in the later 2000’s to today. These almost exclusively seem to feature characters who just want to live a life in their new fantasy world. Literal escapism, even. Konosuba is notable for being very popular, maybe being around the start of this trend, and the main character is given a task to complete and be returned to the real world, but he just ignores it.

    I guess we can speculate on whether this means people got more miserable in the intervening time.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Sword Art Online's original premise sounded kinda fun to me tbh. Though I have a feeling the whole "society makes sure that the players get life support in the hospital while they are stuck" wouldn't work as nicely in RL as it did in the anime. But "can't log out of video game because it'll kill me if I really try" would be kinda nice for a while.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    People were dying because eventually power outages, and people pulling the plug. It was a major plot point.

    But uh there's a reason he goes right back in LMAO

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, I think it was episode 2 that mentioned some people just disappearing to never return and others disappearing temporarily while they were being moved to hospitals and the Nerve Gear having capacitors or something designed to allow it to be unplugged for a few hours before it does the death shock to allow for that.

    It seemed like it wasn't a recurring thing, so most of the players in the game at the end of ep 2 must have been moved to hospitals (or had other life support options).

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Campfire Cooking is my favorite one of the newer crop of these.

    His super power is basically Amazon Grocery. He immediately hides that fact from everyone, tells the people that summoned him he's useless, and leaves the country to live "off grid".

    And all that before he even knows how that world works. I'm not even sure he knew he could do other kinds of magic at that point. Natural instinct to GTFO society / authority was something I could identify with

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not sure what you mean, I don't think I've seen a single isekai protag try to go back to Earth unless you count the "trapped in VR" ones.

    I'm always a little disappointed by how quickly the regular world becomes irrelevant in the story. The intrigue is from how a person from a modern nonmagical culture interacts with a medieval magical culture.

    But from the isekais I've seen, I'd say you could replace half of them with a person with amnesia and nothing would change.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I don’t think I’ve seen a single isekai protag try to go back to Earth

    Wizard of Oz, for one. I'm using a Japanese term because English doesn't have a succinct one for that particular genre, but it apples to media anywhere.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't think I've seen a single isekai protag try to go back to Earth unless you count the "trapped in VR" ones.

    It used to be the standard:

    • Digimon Adventure (the first series)/Digimon frontier (fourth series)
    • Inu Yasha
    • Monster Rancher

    The only recent example I can think of is Zenshu from last year.

    The intrigue is from how a person from a modern nonmagical culture interacts with a medieval magical culture.

    Welcome to Japan Ms. Elf might be up your alley: a guy finds out his lucid dreams have actually been him getting isekei'd every night for most of his life when he accidentally brings a friend/love interest back with him. She's fascinated by modern Japan so they start going back and forth between the real world and magical world together.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    This trope has been explored, sure enough.

    Recently, I recall the comics DIE, although I didn't finish it yet. And also the TV show The Magicians. In both cases one of the crew stays to be a king while everybody else goes home. And time runs at different rates on either sides. And then they meet again. Hijinks ensue.

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