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[–] 144 points 9 months ago (4 children)

They're leaving like redditors to Lemmy. There's dozens of them!

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's more like Twitter to BlueSky, which was a pinch more.

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  • [+] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    You should read TAZ. The cycle is the point. There will never be a forever non toxic platform, but there will always be temporary non toxic periods on platforms. To live fully is to surf from one wave to the other.

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  • [–] 200 points 9 months ago (6 children)
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    Sadly no way to host your own instance yet, but it does look promising.

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 96 points 9 months ago (49 children)

    Oh come on. Another centralised social media service that could be compromised. Wtf is wrong with these people

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    They follow what is advertised. Fediverse, by its nature, doesn't have money for this. There was a push for Mastodon, though.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    When you say there was a push, do you mean there was a time when they did have ads, or do you mean the community push with the twitter troubles?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The community push, mainly. But there seemed to be a PR campaign to capitalize on it. I don't know if there were official adverts.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    I think it's hard to host a video-focused social media on the fediverse, I imagine it would have a high cost to maintain.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (12 children)

    Build it on top of Bittorrent. If you like a post, you're seeding it. When you want to stop seeding it, your like goes away.

    Then popular things will have a large pool of seeds mitigating much of the bandwidth cost to the instance host.

    With the side effect of making manipulating the voting algorithm with bots a lot more expensive.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I think people would be pretty quickly upset by the batter and storage drain from this. I have to imagine if picking an instance is a barrier to mastodon, most folks are not interested enough to learn the mechanics of why likes suddenly use system resources, and see it as a failing of the app.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Plus the network usage for people with data caps, ISPs who throttle you for any p2p traffic etc it’d be a mess. Not to mention torrents usually have a ‘ramp up’ time as they find and connect to peers, probably not what people used to and endless stream of autoplaying short-form videos would want.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I don't see any other choices other than:

    1. You host it yourself. (Peer to Peer social media)
    2. You pay someone else to host it for you. (Instanced social media)
    3. You trade your digital freedom, privacy and political stability of your country to someone else to host it for you. (Meta, X, TikTok)

    3 hasn't been working out so far and people really don't want to have to pay another subscription. So you can spend your battery life and data instead. Maybe setup the service so that other people can seed on your behalf, so you could use your own resources or pay for someone elses all in the same ecosystem.

    Peertube does a similar thing, using bittorrent to share the load, but it only works while you're actively watching the video so outside of very popular videos it is usually just the instance who is providing bandwidth. By tying the data sharing directly into the primary interaction method it creates a much larger pool of peers and, eventually, once everyone stops seeding it the data stops existing.

    No permanent record of everything you've ever posted, no central repository of data to be hoovered up by the AI startup who pays off the instance owner, no empowering a single person to control all of social media for their own selfish ends.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I am aware of the problems and have had similar thoughts about how best to deal with the taxing reality of streamed video, but I think the reality of it is, while already fighting the network effect and ad budgets, someone that downloads an app and see it saps half their battery for that day because they liked 5 videos and left, they are going to uninstall it.

    I think instanced makes the most sense, and even that would be a hard ask if popularity every spikes.

    I think the fact that Peertube which I think of as more a PC interface, where bandwidth and power consumption are less an issue, but still chooses to limit the peer connections to active watching speaks to how discordant the idea is with what people expect from streaming media.

    I would happily use a desktop app as you described, so if it ever exists, let me know 😁

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I am aware of the problems and have had similar thoughts about how best to deal with the taxing reality of streamed video, but I think the reality of it is, while already fighting the network effect and ad budgets, someone that downloads an app and see it saps half their battery for that day because they liked 5 videos and left, they are going to uninstall it.

    The tech is already most of the way there.

    Consider this.

    There is already a type of community that has developed sets of rules and incentive structures such that they have created a distributed service with petabytes of storage for content and gigabits of excess bandwidth for delivery.

    This service is in such demand that people will voluntarily study for and take a test (waiting hours in line for their 1 on 1 interview/test). This is in addition to their buying/renting their own storage and bandwidth and adding it to the pool that comprises this service. Much more work than plugging a phone in to charge!

    What I'm describing is a private bittorrent tracker community.

    They've created a scalable, peer to peer, media storage and retrieval service (for public domain videos and music, which are the best) where you're required to contribute AT LEAST as much as you take (1.0 share ratio).

    In addition, by publicly displaying the upload/download statistics about a user's account it has turned into a source of social credit. People seed massively in excess of what they will every download in order to have the highest ratio. The social systems and norms are aligned with the good of the service.

    People love the high ratio people, after all everyone loves downloading a 85GB 4k HDR+ copy of It's a Wonderful Life at 15gbps, that's only possible because Joe Ratio has a seedbox on a 50Gb connection serving up classic movies(super classic and old) for clout.

    You don't even have to worry about having movies downloaded in advance when you can just have your seedbox grab your favorite Charlie Chaplain movie and have it available for streaming directly from the seedbox in less time than it takes to grab a glass of water.

    Take the model of a public tracker and create a decentralized messaging system around it (I think there is one or two projects like that already floating around but the names escape me). Bittorrent already has a distributed hash table (DHT) service which can completely replace a centrally hosted tracker or run along-side hosted trackers.

    You are also right that it would have to be easy, but that's possible. Signal has some of the most advanced encryption systems available but to the average user it's just text messaging. There are some talented frontend developers and UX designers out there but that's not my lane and I have confidence in them.

    It's a neat idea to think about, at least

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I am aware of private trackers. I guess to me, even in the space of "it's neat to think about" something like Loops and built on activity pub makes more sense.

    Now if we imagined folks offering home hardware or 'seed boxes' to help an instance out, that I could see being useful tech, but constantly uploading from your phone seems a bit silly.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I like the home hardware seedbox idea.

    You could probalby make it as simple as plug it in and scan the QR code on your phone to pair it to your account, give it your wifi password or ethernet cable and it's sitting there donating a little bandwidth to the swarm and earning a 'I'm seeding rn'-kind of badge (people love gamification and cosmetics).

    Good brainstorming, was fun o7

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I think the answer is AV1. You can get good quality video into 500 NB per hour which is easily affordable with unobtrusive ads like a banner at the bottom of the app and a video ad that can be swapped away every 10 videos.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Honestly the best way I've seen this handled is how Odysee did it. There's crypto involved, but ignoring that, they essentially just asked users to choose to allocate an amount of their hard drive/bandwith to be used for storing, and sharing videos.

    That would work better from an end user perspective, rather than running their data usage up, and using storage on a storage-limited device like a phone, and I'm sure there's a way to incentivize it that isn't crypto

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don't get it, isn't sharing videos generating data usage? I need to check how that works

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It would be, I forgot to mention an important piece: Cellular data is typically metered relatively strictly (most plans I've seen allow "unlimited", but it's usually slowed way down if you use more than 10-15gb in a month) where most home internet connections aren't, and with something like TikTok the expected use is mobile. If we're going with the like = seed option, that does imply the seeding is happening from the device that liked the video.

    With the Odysee model, I could set up my home PC (on an unmetered* connection) to have, say, 250gb set aside for videos to be shared from. It would be an intentional act that is unambiguously using up some bandwidth/data, and can't be as easily misunderstood by the end user. Maybe find some way to incentivise it (preferably not crypto, but I do dislike this implementation of crypto less than most), but largely I think helping the community would be incentive for enough people to keep the network going, at least for a while.

    *They're technically metered, but every internet plan I've seen limits you to terabytes of data up/down, not gigabytes

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    Oh that makes sense, in this case it would need something like a toggle to only share data on WIFI, kinda like Google Photos and Immich do

    Maybe predownload videos on WIFI (Tiktok already has this function) and only use mobile data for comments and replies, and asking the user in case they are on mobile data if they want to download videos on demand.

    Anyways, I was thinking on ways to make it work without the crypto while keeping the P2P aspect. Thanks for the explanation.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Any non centralized platform would probably fall under the amount of users, unless they have some special funding

    Also, some creators want revenue and shit… and decentralized platforms don’t allow creators to earn money

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Is there a federated/decentralized version of tiktok? Right now would be the perfect time to implement one of these.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Loops.

    However, of a dozen instances that exist, only the main one - loops.video - functions well and serves a diversity of content. It's still in heavy development, but technically, ActivityPub is already included.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Account created

    Suspended instantly

    So much for open web heh

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    You probably used a VPN or privacy browser. Social media platforms are terrified of bots and will punish a poor Recaptcha V3 or similar score without telling you.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Which is like half the people interested in grassrootsing a place like this

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It is possible to be private without being suspicious by using a stock Firefox or Brave profile on mobile data.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    VPN + adblocker + resist fingerprinting + mail alias (Addy) indeed

    They have cloudflare captcha which I passed, so they’re being annoying

    Update: unbanned after contacting their support by mail. No questions asked

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I don't really fault them when they don't know there is an alternative. And the alternative isn't clear cut and/or very good.

    I do fault them for when they think that the platform is the solution and don't expect the same thing to happen.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Is "remain ‘impartial’ to political agendas" a dogwhistle for "tolerates Nazis" or have I just become too cynical

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  • [–] 83 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I looked it up in the App store out of curiosity and holy crap that app almost as bad as TikTok for privacy. Though I suppose people jumping ship from TikTok aren't too concerned about data privacy or else they wouldn't have been using TikTok in the first place.

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  • [–] 79 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Literally anything but FOSS, huh?

    Out of the frying pan and into a cold frying pan.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    FOSS is just too much of a hassle for most people, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    It unironically is, and it's not entirely the fault of the users either. The average person doesn't know what FOSS means, what instances are, or what a federated service is and many platforms do a poor job of explaining what those things are and why they are superior.

    Additionally, people need to understand that FOSS is not a selling point to the average user and that throwing that term around will go in one ear and out the other. As far as they are concerned their apps are already free because they don't have to pay a transactional monetary value for them and "open source" is beyond meaningless to them and they couldn't care less.

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  • [–] 72 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Not federated. Nothing stops this app from getting worse in the future, right?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I trust my palestinian brother who created it

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  • [–] 87 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Here's an idea. How about we abandon ragebait shortform slop/garbage aggregators entirely, and stop rewarding them with excessive device permissions and personal data.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    How about we abandon ragebait shortform slop/garbage aggregators entirely

    In my day, we listened to AM Talk Radio! 16 hours a day, to and from work! None of this prissy little short form phone slop, no sir. It was three hour long shifts of Rush Limbaugh, Don Imus, Doug "The Greaseman" Tracht, and Sean Hannity. I earned my hate honestly, by fiddling with a little dial on my walkman and getting five commercials about cigars and dick pills every eight minutes. I got to hear bad riff tracks about how Japan was taking over our economy produced on a AKAI S900 that had been dropped down a flight of stairs. I didn't know these people even had faces until Limbaugh showed up as a talking head for the NFL for a few months.

    The very fucking idea that these stupid petulant spoiled woke lib fuck-around find-out kids are getting their news from a five minute long vertical visual display? OOOOOOOOoh it makes me SO MAD! I hate 'dem kids. I hate'm!!!

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Device permissions? That's not the issue. I think people just lack software knowledge and should learn the difference between proprietary software and Libre software.

    If people understood how to check the software license and determine if it's a free software license, that would cover almost everything they need to do to help us stop having this problem with picking the wrong software.

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