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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

Is this about his mental health, or just about his shit working conditions?

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  • [–] 184 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    No, we'd rather be lost at sea than have to participate in the broken society that makes people need therapy.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I lack the photoshop skills, but uh

    The 'plap plap GET PREGNANT' meme, but with a therapist shouting:

    'accept what you can't change'

    'don't blame yourself for things out of your control'

    'oh, the copay is $125'

    'you missed the last appointment so we charged you for not canceling in advance'

    'im worried you're not taking our sessions seriously'

    sorry psych professionals, there is no ethical therapy under capitalism

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You can just do that. No one is stopping you from buying a canoe and floating away

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A cursory glance implies a decent canoe starts at $2000, so my bank account is stopping me, at bare minimum

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Your ethical choice to not just steal it is the only thing stopping you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I think we're gonna have to call this one a skill issue actually, as I don't think I can discretely put a canoe into my pocket so I'm not sure how you expect me to actually get from canoe acquisition to open seas without arrest.

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Oh fuck off. Therapy won’t help with… *gestures at everything*

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Agreed. It’s more like “people would rather be lost at sea than live in a modern society”.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    To be fair we were breed to be lost at sea/forest/steppe, not live in a modern society. Like that's our natural place to live and die, not a city.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    We’re not homo naledi. We’ve been living in increasingly modern societies forever, and definitely long enough for it to be more natural to us as a species than shitting in bushes and dying of dysentery.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Just goes to show how insane society has become that you'd rather go to therapy than take a 29 day break by being lost at sea.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    29 days away from reality is therapy.

    There's a tiny town in northern California called Downieville that my wife and I love to visit. It's maybe 200 people, sits on the convergence of two decent sized rivers, and there is pretty much no cell service. Even just a week of sitting by that river is enough to fully recharge me and not want to break everything for at least 4 months.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    "men hate therapy"

    Yeah not really. You just get beaten down after trying several therapists and paying a lot and not feeling better. Even if you went through that once, it's very discouraging.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have a great therapist these days who has helped me a lot. I still hate therapy. I did finally figure out why, though. Because, with the exception of therapy and a couple of really great people, everyone I've ever been vulnerable in front of has weaponized it against me. So even though I know my therapist wouldn't actually do that I'm still waiting on it to come back and bite me.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    Been dumped by three women, the day after they saw me cry. Good news! My wife is fine with it, as rare as crying is, and comforts me. But y'all women don't have a good track record in my book.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Probably not what you want to hear, it really sucks to be in that spot, but it is possible to find good ones! I went through 3 therapists over the course of a couple of years before finding one that helped me.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not to mention it just doesn't work as well for men as it does for women.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Therapy doesn't help much if you have no power over the root cause

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Totally get where you're coming from. If you’re staring down the barrel of something massive like trauma, abuse, an entire system that's completely fucked and seems way bigger than you and the others fighting it are or ever will be, it feels like no matter how much "self care" you do, the external crap stays the same, right?? It's fucking maddening.

    But idk, to me, therapy (actual, good therapy with a non-shitty therapist) isn’t about giving us power over the root cause, not always anyways because like you said, sometimes it's impossible. Imo, a lot of times it’s about helping people stop handing more power to "it" (whatever it may be) than "it" already has. We don’t get to choose what happens to us sometimes, but we do get to choose how we respond to it, how we carry it, how we let it affect us, how we pass our pain onto others. Realizing that can be a super uncomfortable, yet extremely liberating, paradox. Like, okay, I might not be able to slay the dragon here (sorry, nerd here), but I can sure as hell stop feeding it in whatever way I was (constant unhealthy thought patterns, my own actions or the lack thereof, etc).

    Therapy doesn't fix the world for sure, but it can help us decide which parts of the suffering are necessary, or which parts we might be unconsciously choosing to carry longer than we need to. Idk, that’s where our power really is, imo.

    Edit: fixed some typos

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It sounds like you're telling me to stop caring about climate change cause I'd be happier

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Oh geez, no sorry, I’m not telling anyone to stop caring about anything, and def not something like climate change. I'm just some idiot on the internet lol, not anyone who should be telling others how to live their lives.

    I was just trying to explain that therapy, again good therapy, can help people find peace, let go when they need to, or figure out how to carry the things they care about without being crushed by them.

    Edit: typos and formatting

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Theraphy, when it works, only solves internal causes of one's pain.

    29 days away from present day society, will for a while suspend the external causes of one's pain.

    (Which is why the former usually doesn't fully solve everything: the external shit, which often is what indirectly created much of the internal shit via things like trauma and coping mechanisms, is still there and pushing you)

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    This is therapy. if I could just drop out of everything for 29 days I’d come back refreshed and Zen as fuck.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Isn’t that called vacation? Just don’t bring any communications device ;)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't know many people that can afford a 29 day vacation (I'm in the US, and yes I'm jealous of what I hear about European benefits)

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm getting major surgery in two weeks and I'll be on short term disability for an entire month afterwards. I'm honestly really looking forward to the time off, even if it'll be full of physical suffering. My burnout outweighs the physical trauma of having nearly all of my reproductive organs removed.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    I did the same, back during COVID lockdown. I think my body just started producing endorphins, because I stopped taking the painkillers and was totally at peace while everybody lost their minds over the isolation. I played The Outer Wilds and accepted that everything must end.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's about 1 standard stint in rehab where I'm from

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    It is sad when you start considering going to rehab just to get 28-30 days away from work to de-stress, get sleep, meditate, do some inner work and work on healthy habits. Because if you are single and not reproducing, you don't get maternity leave and if you are young or middle aged and relatively healthy, you aren't getting any orthopedic surgeries that render you temporarily disabled... and if you already lost your parents, there is no family leave... I mean, I can adopt or pretend to adopt I have some kind of addictive habit but would prefer not to-- Can't I just take a mental health leave of absence and then return to my job? One week here or there every 6 months (if I am lucky) is just not going to do it.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    The environment we created for ourselves takes advantage of our evolution and uses our biology against us.

    Food is drowned in sugar to get us addicted. Social media is designed to keep us angry and upset. Entertainment is a recycled polished turd, designed to take no risks and challenge nothing and leave us only with shallow amusement.

    We are losing our respect for the profound, our empathy for the other, and our curiosity for the unknown.

    We have made a world of numbing poison for ourselves. A 29 day separation sounds like the most powerful “therapy” we could have tbh.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i was a camp host for a summer and it was possibly the best summer of my life. no power, no water, no internet, minimal contact with people, cleaning toilets, and spending half of my day in a kayak.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Damn, that is well said. This sentence in particular:

    We are losing our respect for the profound, our empathy for the other, and our curiosity for the unknown.

    is the kind of thing that sounds like an empty platitude when your mind/life is in a bad state, but after a few years of progress and healing I read that line and wish I could adequately express the years of reflection and learning that can be distilled down to such a short statement.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Thanks stranger.

    I think a lot about daily life and the systems we’ve built and the way people treat each other and think about existence, and how we’ve changed and over time… or haven’t.

    We’re advancing so much faster than we’re evolving.

    I think that’s causing problems :/

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Therepy - costs money, needs an appointment, takes time to work out issues.

    Lost at sea - free, no appointment necessary, immediate relief from the burden of living under capitalism

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Just get a project car. It costs money too, but you have a getaway from life, just go to your garage. And the end result is a cool car.

    I ask myself spicier questions than the therapist ever will anyway. I haven't gotten a project car though, that's too much therapy. My mind already wanders far enough in any situation.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    But the ocean wants to kill you... (can't blame oceans for wanting to kill humans but it is not your fault..). Therapy can be obtained in many different ways. I think maybe going to a therapist is for people who need motivation to care for themselves, need help starting to be healthy, compassionate and forgiving to themselves and get some coaching to find good ways to get there. We sometimes are in a place too low to help ourselves and need some help, a hand... guidance, encouragement and reinforcement that we are worth the trouble and energy.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    therapy costs money

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    29 days "lost" at sea, is therapy for all of the external bullshit we deal with every fucking day.

    By "we" I mean people in society, not just men. Everyone struggles with making their way in "this world" we built for ourselves. We made it to be this horrible.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I watch some trash reality TV and always find it kind of funny how contestants spend a long amount of time internalizing the stress of the situation the show they agreed to be on is putting on them.

    Half of Love Island is “Why did you kiss them?” “Why did you go on a date with that person?” “Why did you break up with me?” Guys it’s a SHOW. The SHOW is making you go through these completely unnatural circumstances!

    And then I think about real life and it’s like “why don’t I have energy? why am I so depressed? why can’t I be more productive?” …guys it’s CAPITALISM/SOCIETY. SOCIETY is making you go through these completely unnatural circumstances!

    …except of course I didn’t agree to be on this show.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Quit crying. You'll be fine. Don't be such a crybaby. Man up. Put on your big boy pants. Boys don't cry. Boo hoo, gonna cry about it? Gonna cry like a little girl? Be a man. Face your problems like a man. Crying doesn't help anything. Take it like a man. Don't be a baby. You're acting like a girl. Grow a pair. Suck it up and move on.

    Why will men do literally anything besides talk about their feelings?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    To be fair it's also men doing this to other men mostly. Women participate in toxic masculinity too, but really, men give each other a lot of shit with very little support.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Without giving away my age (But I do predates smart phones and home internet use), I've found men are perfectly fine with venting assuming the setting is right. Small group? Beer? Sure. Something embarrassing happens in the moment? Not so much.

    Its everyone but your male friends who will give you shit for showing any emotion but anger.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In my experience, when a man complains about their 'men' problems to anyone online they're given the treatment grueling_spool is describing by both men and women.

    But in more "insulated" face to face conversations its pretty varied/mixed. I suspect this is mostly an "all to all" online conversation effect. There are people who are absolutely ruthless online towards men complaining about problems men specifically face and they will find complaining men and mock them.

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  • I think I probably agree with your assessment, but I really just wanted to highlight that this thinking is endemic to western culture, or at least the slice of it with which I am familiar. Sure, a lot of people might not say things like this face-to-face, but you probably wouldn't be shocked if you witnessed it, would you?

    Just like with any other harmful idea, all it takes is one person in a room to say it loudly and persistently while everyone else says nothing (or fecklessly points out the person's gender as if dispensing some profound insight).

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    anecdotally, as a guy in my thirties, even my acquaintances (wouldn't actually consider them friends tbh, since we only hang out at rec game times) are quite supportive. sure there's the surface level of shit talk, but if you start to get serious, they do too. a few of them surprised me with this.

    in my experience nowadays, it's equally just shitty people of any gender that say suck it up, no real bias one way or another

    but that's of course just my own circles. I tend to just drop out of (or not join in the first place) any circle that has shitty people

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I read this as more "not having to experience the daily news for a month and being horrified".

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Depends on the kind of "lost at sea"

    In a perfectly functioning oceanworthy boat stocked with food, but the GPS fell overboard and I have no idea where I am so I'm going to sail West as much as I can until I hit land, then sail counter-clockwise around the coast until I find something I can identify or someone I can ask? Sure let's go.

    Ship sank, I'm alone in an inflatable raft with a flare gun and a blinkenlight? Nah you go ahead.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ill still sign up. Rafty and Flare Gunny sound like great new friends and we would have all sorts of adventures.

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