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[–] 100 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Given the existance of The Big Mac Index, which seeks to compare global currencies and their respective buying power, this is actually fascinating.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Interestingly, Taiwan has one of the lowest big Mac prices but that doesn't really correlate with their purchasing power

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    Shortly after Donnie finds out...

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

    ​The RADICAL LEFT wants you to eat bugs and kale. NOT ON MY WATCH! We are building a massive reserve of Big Mac Coins. High quality, high VALUE! I met with the Hamburglar—great guy, very misunderstood—and he agrees: the Mac Coin is going to the MOON! Crypto is fine, but you can’t eat a Bitcoin! A total disaster for SLEEPY JOE, but a HUGE WIN for your stomach! 🇺🇸🍔💰 🇺🇸#BigMacStandard #FastFoodFinancials

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    While a big mac has intrinsic value, the value of the coin is based on trusting McD honouring the agreement. Will they still accept the coins 10 years from now when they have forgotten they were issued? Will they be sued out of existence after their meat substitute mushroom burger left in the sun for too long comes alive an eats 9 customers and and a minivan?

    The value of the dollar is based on trusting the US central bank and/or governmemt to be responsible enough.

    While you should not blindly trust either McD or the government, the latter has a longer track record, even though they seem like they are going to eat a metaphorical minivan soon.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Also, the gold standard was based on trust too. You trusted that the government would honour your request to exchange dollars for gold. There was nothing magical about being on the gold standard.

    Money is just IOUs created by the government. The government uses them to pay for goods and services it wants. If the government wants someone to guard a building, they pay in IOUs. Then, every year, the government taxes everybody in the country and demands that they return a certain number of government IOUs to the country. It's this obligation to pay taxes that gives their IOUs their value.

    The person who was paid to guard a building is left holding a pile of IOUs. Fundamentally, they're worthless. But, there are other people in the country who have to pay taxes and aren't doing jobs for the government. So, the guy with the IOUs goes to the farmer and says "I know you're going to need to pay taxes and don't have any IOUs, I'll trade you some of my IOUs for some of your vegetables". After that exchange the farmer has enough IOUs to pay the government at tax time, and the guard still has enough to pay his own taxes.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    That coin is clever because some people would rather keep the coin and the coin probably costs less to make than the Big Mac.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago*

    BitCoin? 🤚🙂‍↔️

    Big Mac Coin? ️☝🙂‍↕️️

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This feels like a viral ad

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    It's working, I want a Big Mac coin! McD messed up my order plenty of times, and I never got a voucher, they just fix the problem. And I'd feel weird pretending to be upset, just to get a nice shiny Big Mac coin.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The golden arches standard

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    The dollar is backed by being able to exchange it for not going to prison for tax dodging

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Why do people assume gold has intrinsic value? I just saw today they were freaking out about how much gold is fluctuating, it is just as imaginary as the dollar.

    Technically the Big Mac does provide some form of intrinsic value in the form of food for the homless. but for the average person it would actually give them more value to take the big mac away so it has sorta a negative value, negative intrinsic value, I think I just invented that.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Even so, in a scenario where all the currencies fall apart, Gold and Silver are very probable to become the basis of wealth.
    Nowadays, stuff like SiIicon and Copper are pretty high value (and similarly, Germanium), but they really depend a lot upon hard to measure purity which goes with high-technology.
    So Gold and Silver, which are easier to determine with lower technology (unless someone uses high-technology to spoof them) and also easier to make into useful products, will tend to hold intrinsic value.

    Value of iron and others, break down due to abundance, while steel depends upon technology and expertise.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Also because gold and silver are what people will mentally default to. Even if you develop a quick, easy, and free test to determine the purity of cobalt or neodymium and demonstrate how they're more functionally valuable, people will still default to trading au and ag to buy the amount of those metals they need. Copper would be next.

    So why gold? Because everyone knows that enough people will trade for it, in the same way you know your landlord, grocer, and bar will all take your country's currency, and that's why you accept it in exchange for your labor

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, and that's why crypto is not catching up well.
    Kind of a chicken and egg thing.

    But in case of Gold and Silver, there had to be some initial driving factor for when it was first popularised (before people just started mentally defaulting to it).
    Even though archaeology suggests that there were some civilisations did use notational currency in times before the relatively modern, well known history, enough of them did go with Gold. And since this was during the time when long distance trade was way slower, I won't consider the case of some single power influencing everyone else without any other driving force behind Gold itself.

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  • [+] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Yep, you got it.

    Gold and silver originally became commonplace as money, as currency, because they are excellent material to make coins out of.

    You can carry bits or coins of gold and silver on your person, and you can denominate them fairly easily, you can store them and they won't corrode, and its not that hard to weigh them or melt them down.

    Compare that to trying to haul around a backpack or trailer full of bigmacs.

    Yeah, they're pumped full of preservatives, but they won't last anywhere near as long as a non reactive metal.

    Nowadays... well, gold and silver are massively important components in computer technology.

    So they've got the historical basis as money, and the commodity basis of having a significant amount of vital industy dependant on them.

    Bitcoin people used to argue that bitcoin would be a superior currency to all other currencies for a myriad of reasons... but you will always need some kind of computer thing that is either made out of or at some stage of industrial production involves gold/silver/other metals to even be able to transact with bitcoin.

    In a modern, capitalist, international fiat currency context, you also can't escape some kind of supply/demand based on use case dynamic for currencies.

    Oh, your economy is imploding due to a debt/bond/stock/trade balance crisis?

    Less ongoing demand for holding your wealth in that economy's currency, even if it is in bonds that pay interest or stocks that are nominally appreciating.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

    We are currently basically reverting to a pre Breton Woods international monetary system as the USD implodes, central banks everywhere are hoarding and repatriating gold as the de facto international exchange mechanism, as geopolitical monetary turmoil rises.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/1437/sp500-to-gold-ratio-chart

    So basically, if at the beginning of 2024, you had $100k in the SP500, you would have ~$146k right now.

    If you had $100k of gold at the beginning of 2024... you would have ~$275k right now.

    Thats 1.46x vs 2.75x.

    That's gold outperforming the SP500 by 88%, in just over two years.

    That is a dying economy and currency.

    Gold went from about $2000/oz in early 2024 to about $5500/oz at time of me writing this.

    I think it was like a week ago that Goldman Sachs or somebody said gold might hit $5400 by the end of the year.

    https://www.kitco.com/news/article/2026-01-22/goldman-sachs-raises-2026-gold-price-target-5400oz-private-sector-joins

    Yep there it is.

    So uh, we did a year in a week.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I think the fact that they're pretty, nonreactive, rare, and were available very early is huge here. Gold is just there sometimes, little flakes and beads washed to rhe surface. It's one of the only metals you find non metallurgical cultures using. From there it became valuable for jewelry and ritual objects because of its rarity and appearance, and once you have something durable, reworkable, and more desired than possessed it becomes a really easy thing to trade, especially when cross culturally valued.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The word "fluctuating" implies the price of gold has been going up and down. That is not what has happened since the Commander-In-Thief took office.

    Market price of one ounce of gold over the last five years:

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    That's a zoom out of 5 years Gold prices don’t move in a straight line. On a day‑to‑day and week‑to‑week basis, there are ups and downs - it zigzags it is absolutely fluctuating but the bigger problem is the sharp incline which suggests it is in a bubble.

    And none of any of that has anything to do with anything I said.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Gold is nothing but an uncertainty indicator proxy, if gold price goes up, people are unsure in the market and future returns and thus buy gold, if the price is low the market and economy feels stable and people don't buy gold

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Question for you:

    Is there any gold involved in the process of you typing and posting that comment?

    Could there maybe be, I dunno, gold, literally as a direct component in, or vital to the manufacturing process of ... maybe some kind of computer chip or something?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Sounds like we are one step away from Mcdonald crypto coin backed by the big mac

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    until they just decide the promotion is over and they don't have to accept them anymore

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It would be, if enshitification didn't exist. Who knows if McDo decides one day to reduce meat or other expensive ingredients? Or substitute ingredients?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    It's like Schrodinger's Currency.

    It's either full value or zero value.

    You either get a big Mac or McDonald's decides they are no longer accepting coins, or rather no longer accepting them from you.

    I guess in a way - that is all currency 🤔

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Except that Big Mac is the worst beef burger McD has.

    So to me the value is negative. I will pay to not eat it.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You don't have to eat it, just like you didn't have to exchange your money for gold.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I will not believe a single person who likes BigMacs.

    I never met one in person.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It wouldn't even need to be all that good. It's being exchanged by a minimum wage teenage employee, whom I PROMISE YOU does not give a shit.

    I've seen people spend that hollywood prop money at mcdonalds. The kind that says "this is not valid currency" printed in decent size text.

    So the counterfit doesn't need to be exact.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Come to think about it, mass buying food vouchers wherever possible during times of extreme currency instability is probably not a novel idea.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    People traded black market food-voucher derivatives in the Brazilian hyper inflation...

    It made it easier to redeem all of them as soon as you got a hold of them, because they wouldn't buy the same thing through the entire month. Natural gas vouchers were more stable, though, so those only traded at face value.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The McDonald's corporation is probably more stable than the US treasury at this point in time.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fiat currency is socially constructed and would cease to exist if we stopped believing in it. It's just that the value of gold works exactly the same way.

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    [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Big Macs are gross though.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    How old is this post? USD was fully off the gold standard by 1971.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    How is the USD stacking up versus the Big Mac coin.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    You know, if you were someone who eats there frequently, Big Mac coin forgery might actually be a profitable endeavor...

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