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[–] 158 points 9 months ago (3 children)

At least the Nazis had the courage to show their faces.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not going to say you're wrong, but I'm conflicted by your comment. Was it really courage? I counter that they truly thought that they were right and had no reason to cover their faces. The Geneva conventions, nor the Internet, were things at the time. There wasn't any meaningful, if any, backlash to being a racist at the time. There was no risk to facists having your face uncovered back then, but there definitely is now.

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  • These cowards have the advantage of knowing the history of the Nazis though. And they continue to carry out their mission. Even worse, by concealing their identities they do seem to hope that they can keep showing up to brunch and dance recitals to hobnob with the same people that they will be choking out and shooting in the face later in the evening.

    While the original phrasing might come off a little strange, I think that there is something to be said about the meaning.

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  • [–] 101 points 9 months ago* (16 children)

    If it makes you all feel any better, the nazi with the gun didn't survive the war. Also, his hometown covered his name on a war memorial with a QR code so people would know what he'd done and he'd get proper credit for his monstrous acts.

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    That's why they wear masks now, so they can just walk around like normal people when they aren't murdering us in the street.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    He died in battle and was never prosecuted for his crimes.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I like to imagine that their thoughts were "damn, maybe this was a bad idea" at the end.

    Except they clearly were incapable of logical reasoning so it's unlikely.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    Yeah, most of them never relented. They simply did their best to assimilate back into normal life. Most absolved their consciences by convincing themselves what they'd done was an acceptable part of fighting a war.

    Still, whether it was through Nazi hunters, prosecutions, or family testimonies... their names live on in infamy.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Man you reminded me about Nazi hunting. I forgot that happened. But I don't remember them getting a lot of them.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There will be people who do not forget and are not content to let them live in peace.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, I'm surprised that the pursuit continued after the Nuremberg trials. Like Australia found 6.

    The French though? They didn't fuck around. Goddamn lol. 10,000 - 15,000 executions. The US thought it was 80k, and the French minister said 105k, but those numbers are unlikely and the 10k-15k is accepted.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Not only did most Nazis and fascists not relent, they went on to found far right parties that survive in some form to this day – eg- Italy's FdI is a direct descendant of the original fascist party.

    99% of fascists are not redeemable. Leaving them alive is a mistake.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I’ve seen the full image before, but I forgot how horrific it is when I saw the cropped version in the op.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    Did they shoot him from behind? Like back of the head?

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  • [–] 75 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I don't think the first shot was aimed at the head, but at the upper body area, while multiple people were wrestling him down. There was no need for usage of lethal force in any of this.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    There was no need for usage of lethal force in any of this.

    They don't learn when you need lethal force or when you don't. They learn how you aim a gun and that you have immunity while you are doing your job.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    The article gives a lot of information, but all i read about this guy is "… the officer who shot the man had extensive training as a range safety officer and in using less-lethal force."

    Which doesn't undermine my point i suppose

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  • [+] -41 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    From what I saw on videos they shot him from behind into his back. But it was not a scene of execution like here in the image, more like a fight situation.

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  • [–] 61 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    He had been dragged to the ground, kicked and punched repeatedly by multiple people and hit in the head with some sort of bat, he was unresponsive on the floor by the time the first shot is fired and then he's clearly already dead or dying and not moving at all when the rest of the shots are fired.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Huh? I think I was misunderstood here. In no way I wanted to downplay US gestapo here. I just wanted to tell the difference between these two images: In the first one a person seems to be forced to kneel in order to get executed by a shot in the head. The second image was already described by you very well.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Why would you feel the need to point that out?

    How about pointing out that the first is black and white and the other is in colour. Or that the first picture has a bunch of people in the background. Yes, thank you. Good to know your eyes work. But none of that is relevant to the point being made her.

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    That photograph is unbearable because it traps a man in the exact second before his murder. He is alive, kneeling, terrified, and fully aware that the next sound he hears will be the gunshot that ends him. The camera steals even that last mercy, forcing him to die forever, over and over, every time someone looks. He is not a symbol or a lesson, he is a human being caught at the instant the world decides he no longergets to exist.

    Ice are nazis. Abolish ice.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    If I was the one murdered and could be aware of this, I would be massively thankful that at least this moment was caught so clearly, that I didn't die alone, that maybe it won't be for nothing and people will see this and have a fire ignited within them to continue the fight.

    So many people have been killed just like this before that we never saw and will never know about. The murderer has worked for Border Patrol for 8 years. I would be completely unsurprised to learn he had already murdered others.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    He is not a symbol or a lesson, he is a human being caught at the instant the world decides he no longergets to exist.

    The irony of it is that, because of this, he will exist far longer than any of us will, but he shouldn't have had to.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    He wouldn't have heard the shot because bullets travel faster than sound.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Everyone please remove your hats, and rise to be shot in the back as our national anthem is sung by kid rock.

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    [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Daily reminder that all major American media companies are fully complicit with this fascist takeover. And at least one group I can think of is enthusiastically supporting it (skydance)

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Those ICE Apes aren't wearing helmets. Bullets work on their heads the same as ours.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Those helmets barely stop 9mm. Any high-velocity rifle round would go through them. They really only wear them to stop shrapnel.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Also, while it’s hard to tell from pictures and videos, it doesn’t look like the ERO ICE fucks are running ceramic plates in their vests. The way they’re moving around while wrestling people on the ground the videos I’ve seen looks way more nimble than I ever was in full plates.

    If I’m right, and again I wouldn’t stake anything on it from just videos and images, they’re just running with 3a soft armor which provides stab protection and protection from handgun calibers. 5.56 wouldn’t notice a difference between that or a north face shell.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Have we identified the shooter? And the ones with him?

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    These two photos (to me) point to something even more monstrous in modern times.

    For all of its barbarism, the guy on the left still at least had the courage of his convictions to show his face while commiting his crime. He believed enough to not hide his face like a coward.

    ICE is just effectively keyboard warriors with guns in the real world. They have the balls to pull their shit only so long as they can stay hidden and safe behind masks while doing so. A bunch of fucking cowards who would immediately piss themselves if they were one on one and unmasked.

    I'm not going to defend any nazi, especially the guy on the left. But at least nazi's used to have the courage of their convictions. Nowadays it's just barely literate dude-bros looking for a mask so they can execute people.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Time to study and read socialist theory. Seriously! https://redsails.org/

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What video is this from? I never saw one that had a clear view of the victim once they piled on.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I haven't seen the pic on the right. What video is it from?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Alex Pretti, a man who was shot dead (10 times) by ICE.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, I know, I've seen multiple angles of the murder. I haven't seen this one. What video is it from?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    tRump and whole of his administration and ICE should be hang. From the lampposts, by their shoelaces. Fuck them.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    We need socialism

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