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[–] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I swear, with every week that goes by Bezos looks more and more like Dr Evil. Increasingly acts like him too.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Someone get him a hairless cat, stat. When Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset, people die!

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Grotesquely rich.

    I like that. We should start referring to them using this terminology all the time.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's either tax them or eat them. Their choice, really.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Go Team Spain!

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Make billionaires middle class again.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The depressed cynic in me says the billionaires will just find new tax havens and other embezzling ways around it. But it's a good initiative and I pray it actually leads to something tangible.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    So if they want to be active in your country they need to pay an 'activation tax' or something, that counteracts removing the majority of their profits tax-free from the country.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "To achieve this, it is necessary to foster international cooperation in multilateral forums to promote and facilitate the implementation of evidence-based reforms and ongoing experiences regarding the taxation of large fortunes in different countries." [the Spanish government explained.]

    Really glad they've decided to counter the ability of the grotesquely rich to just move to another country. If we want them to pay taxes, we need international cooperation.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, capital flight tax has to be implemented first to ensure that increasing taxes on the rich will be foolproof.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    I once heard a theory we should not tax incoming money but outgoing money. So with income tax it is not that you pay over what you receive but your employer pays tax before you get it (like you pay vat when you buy something). I am no expert but it sounded like it would really work on big corps and rich people because the bank would have to pay taxes when they pay you interest, the broker would pay tax when they pay your profits on shares. Can't imagine it be easy to overhaul the whole system, but it would take away the 'responsibility' of paying taxes from the person who owns the money and puts this responsibility on the person who's parting from the money.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago
    [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Grotesquely rich sounds good, this "billionaire" has a too good ring to it IMO.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children)

    There's no way that's ever gonna happen, rich people are too powerful and influent, even poor people are treating them as demigods.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Well it sure won't change with that attitude

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Believing in a fairytale don't make it real either. We know since decades that ultrarich people are a nonsense, but we're still not remotely close of a universal wealth tax, so it's unlikely it will happens someday, especially in the current political context.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Believing doesn't make a thing real.

    But you can get a hell of a lot done because you believe in something.

    Choose what you believe in carefully, but you really should choose.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    we're still not remotely close of a universal wealth tax

    No, but this is a step towards it.

    It's unlikely it will happen someday, especially in the current political context.

    My brother in Christ, YOU and EVERYONE around you has the power to shift the political context.

    And that doesn't mean shifting it overnight. It will take actual effort from you, not just whinging online to other apathetic souls having an "all is lost" collective wank.

    You'll have to speak with friends, family, coworkers, random strangers at the bar, and anyone and everyone who'll engage with you about wealth inequality and taxing wealth not work. That's the bare minimum.

    Next is organising in your community or at least going to meetings and marches.

    Finally you have to more actively engage with political people as an activist.

    I'll be the first to admit that I only do the first one, but it sounds like you're not even doing that.

    So either start doing that with me and everyone else here, or sit down, shut up, and go back to sucking your thumb and crying in your corner of the internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    My brother in Christ, YOU and EVERYONE around you has the power to shift the political context.

    You are really downplaying the situation. Fascists are in power in an increasingly number of countries and are currently at the head of the most powerful and influential one. It's only a matter of time before any action against them will be illegal, if not virtually infeasible. Counter-powers are already dying fastly, and any way to protest may be outdated tomorrow.

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    [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    Rich and Super rich politicians claim to plan taxing the super super rich that pay for their campaigns, NGOs, and the media that gets them elected, attempting to capitalize off the Zeitgeist.

    Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I really like the “grotesquely” descriptor. It fits a lot better than just “ultra wealthy” which doesn’t have the negative connotation it should

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    They can move out of the country but they cannot move out of the world. An international wealth tax CAN be done, the only obstacle is mere political will.

    And it must be said, the ability for the rich to take their assets and leave has been greatly over-stated, since much of it is in the form of land.

    Extreme wealth must be taxxed, or we will all live in desperate poverty.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Exactly. Humanity will not survive like this. I have no problem with somebody building a successful business and making a few millions, but excessive wealth hording needs to stop. These people are holding essential resources of our planet hostage, while billions suffer.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They can't also move the assets that makes them rich. What's Amazon going to do? Close business in Spain to avoid the taxes??

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  • I'm not contradicting you, just writing down some further notes:

    • There's 3 important types of taxes: wealth tax, income tax, product tax. Wealth tax is paid annually as a share of total net worth, while income tax is paid as a share of profit/revenue/wages. Product tax is a tax on consumable products such as food or luxury items.

    I think the best thing would be to increase wealth tax, and decrease income and product tax.

    The reason for this is: Wealth tax taxes wealth-hoarding, i.e. wealth that is stalling and not contributing to economic flow, i.e. production or re-distribution. Income and product tax inhibit the economy and slow it down, but don't actually prevent wealth hoarding: Even if a billionaire is faced with 50% income tax, it'd simply take them twice as long to accumulate the insane amount of wealth. Wealth tax counteracts that, by reducing the size of the pile of gold these billionaires sit on effectively.


    That being said, there's 3 main types of wealth:

    • real estate (land, agricultural fields, houses, ...)
    • infrastructure & business (streets, vehicles, factories, shops)
    • abstract values, such as money, expensive paintings, gold, which have no direct inherent value and only possess value because of our communal perception of things.

    Some of these things can be moved easily, such as money, while other things can basically not be moved at all, such as real estate & infrastructure. It makes sense to tax the things most that are hardest to move, i guess.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    the only obstacle is mere political will.

    That's a pretty fucking big obstacle. This can only be done if all countries agree to it so with the growing number of countries taken over by right wing governments it's basically impossible. Even the Spanish government that proposed this has its days counted. This is a nice PR move, not a realistic proposal.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    While I despise the current Spanish government for being interested only in being in power (progressive here. They just lack a moral compass), if this comes to fruition it will be hard for conservatives to roll back. It would expose how tight a leash the oligarchs have on them.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Every major political event in history was once an unrealistic proposal. Whether it can happen next week or not has absolutely no bearing on the fact that it must be done.

    Reach out to your local political rep and tell them you support a wealth tax. Reach out to your local boomer FB page and tell them you support a wealth tax. Make the case. If public opinion and political opinion isn't there then there is work to do. Put away minor nit picks and technical problems, they absolutely do not matter in the grand scheme of things. Build the momentum, tax the damn rich.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Whether it can happen next week or not has absolutely no bearing on the fact that it must be done.

    The fact that it must be done does not mean that it will be done. Of course you can hope that in some not-so-distant future we'll get there (I sure hope so) but as of now US, Russia, Middle East and parts of EU will not only not support it but will actively fight against it. Calling local reps and posting on FB will not change that. It's not a technical problem, it's reality. It's fine to express your support for the idea but it's also fine to be realistic about its chances.

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  • An international wealth tax CAN be done, the only obstacle is mere political will.

    There is real issues that need to be tackled, such as Ireland's tax desert. There's a couple of them around the world (around 20 countries do this iirc). I guess forcing them to close their tax deserts is difficult, because you'd either have to pressure them militarily or economically. Pressuring them militarily is a no-go in today's time, and pressuring them economically might be challenging as these tax deserts could make a huge profit by offering lower taxes, and then taxing all the world's rich, as they all move there.

    I think the best course of action would be to exclude billionaires who do not pay a minimum amount of taxes in any country entrance to the domestic market, as they do not see themselves as a part of society, as they deny paying their fair share towards society, it's fair to not let them participate in other parts of the society as well, such as doing business in your country. Business opportunity is a huge deal and very attractive for billionaires, who want to make even more money, so using that as leverage is very effective, i guess.

    In other words, markets must be obstructed for investors who don't pay their fair share in taxes.

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  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • That's very good news.

    As described in an announcement by the Spanish government, the initiative aims to create coordination between governments on the taxation of high-net-worth individuals to ensure they are not shuffling money abroad to avoid proper taxation.

    I would like to point out that billionaires have to have an incentive to stay in one country, if their wealth is going to be taxed in that country. I.e., billionaires can only do business in a country that they pay their fair share of taxes in.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Isn’t Spain’s left-wing government on the ropes with a corruption scandal, and likely to be replaced by a hard-right government soon?

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  • 2 comments in c/globalnews@lemmy.zip view that post
    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    finally some good fuckin' news

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Hey, my gov't, get on board with this will ya

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