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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The onion just consults their future prediction orb and writes down what they see; they were never satire.

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https://theonion.com/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-prosperi-1819565882/

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Exactly. The onion HQ rests on top of the worlds only spice mine and you can tell who works for them by the glowing spice addict eyes.

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 10 points 9 months ago

ONN is just hyperbolizing what already in the news

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[–] ech@lemmy.ca 128 points 9 months ago (16 children)

People are just too fucking dumb. Most can only rationalize that current thing bad = current leader bad = different leader better, and there's no end of grifters taking advantage of that.

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 42 points 9 months ago

yeah primaries was a train wreak in slow mo. like I was telling people I did not give a crap that Kamala was chosen by Biden as a successor she's still better than trump by far. I couldn't really think of any reason from them to vote for trump

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

sexism and racism is what they voted for, cant have a black person they made that mistake in 08 with obama, plus no women ever.

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[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago

I firmly believe that if Kamela Harris was a man, he'd have beaten Trump.

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[–] Deceptichum 1 point 9 months ago

As soon as a previous leader ends they start whitewashing them and focusing on only how current leader is the worst.

There’s zero chance of learning from past mistakes with that mindset.

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[+] Mac@mander.xyz -10 points 9 months ago (11 children)

I'm glad people are coming around on the idea that people are too stupid to vote.

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[–] ech@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, that's not what I said.

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

People are too fucking dumb [and] there's no end to grifters taking advantage of that

Maybe not, but these statements are directly applicable to voters and I think voting in an environment where bad actors can easily manipulate voters is irresponsible.

Do you not agree?

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

Who decides who is allowed to vote?

Quis custodiat ipsos custodes?

Everyone gets to vote or no one.

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

You can see in one of my other comments that i disagree with that statement.

Also, you didn't answer my question.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago

I did answer your question.

Everyone has a vote (democracy) or no one has a vote (dictatorship because the flawed system where you exclude certain voters always ends up like that).

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

You've just reminded me of that clip of I can't remember which middle-eastern dictator expressing his views on democracy and the average person's intelligence

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago

If you can find it, i'm curious.

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[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

are there any better options?

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not in real life.

I do dream of a government composed of a council of experts. Each person would be an expert in their field and they would br elected by their own peers. I think something like that would be better for humanity. If you look at the science communities you will see a lot of collaboration across boundaries and i think that's one of our biggest problems.

I'm not so delusional as to think it faultless, but an improvement, surely.

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[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

The problem tends to be that (1) experts are only experts in their own fields, but have a distressing tendency to think that makes them experts in all fields and (2) an expert is often only an expert if unchallenged. Plenty of ‘experts’ have had their research get supplanted—or attempts have been made to supplant it—with newer, more accurate research, but the older so-called experts often fight against that newer research so as not to lose their exalted status. Sadly, you see often in science (look at how Louis Pasteur was treated when he dared to suggest bacteria caused disease).

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, absolutely. There would have to be levels of checks and balances just like any other governmental system.

Yet, even with these problems i still think it would be an improvement.

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I can't believe anyone actually bought that shit.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Have you visited or had interactions with people from .ml or hexbear?

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[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Oooo I have I have!

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

.ml isn't pro-Trump generally even if they'd shitpost about the uniparty, it's Hexbear that's clearly being run as a psyop.

Well, on review I blocked .ml, maybe they're saying that now

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Not the part about a vote for trump being a vote for peace, but they sure do & did trot out the part about biden being a warmonger.

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[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago*

I mean, he and all Democratic leadership at that level are, but not to the same extent as the Republicans. That said, the false equivalence is either pure propaganda, or stupidity. Pretty hard to tell the difference, unfortunately.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago

I don't honestly think they really did. What they were sold was that the conservative leadership held the conservative individuals' best interests lined up. Last time they didn't get to execute their plan. This time no one was left to stop them.

To that point, there are proud boys and neo nazies in positions of power. They're wearing the gear and putting their slogans on things. The individuals have been told over and over that it's the non-whites that are the cause of all their problems and they're still on board with ethnic cleansing. They are just now starting to get somewhat disillusioned that things aren't actually getting better for them even though the playbooks are being run.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -3 points 9 months ago

The part about Biden is true enough. Republicans and Democrats are largely in agreement about the dismantling of the middle class and expansion of the empire. Democrats just want an orderly transition while Republicans want to burn it all down as fast as possible.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

In case you didn’t know who Presler was, he’s just another conservative sycophant.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 29 points 9 months ago (4 children)

For whatever reason this kind of campaign tactic had zero effective counter amongst the general electorate. This messaging won. Refuting it was left to the internet forums.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

How can you refute this. It quickly turns into a "no u" situation.

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[–] yuri@pawb.social 7 points 9 months ago

by design! turns out if you just project hard enough, the only possible argument is a “no u” situation. and actually taking that position officially has been a bridge too far for any credible opposition up to now.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

It’s because social media is toxic.

Look at the view counts below conservative posts. That is why there is no counter; the game is rigged.

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 4 points 9 months ago

everyone is conditioned to defend the right even when theyre wrong

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I'm glad my fellow citizens saw through the bs and overrode my vote to keep us happy and safe.

Disclaimer: I might have voted for him because lesser of, but fuck Biden and his ineffective admin. Hey libs: the orange man would have been in jail in a competently run country. Fucking travesty.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

No he would not. He would be ina maximum security federal or military prison, not jail. He didn't rob liquor stores.

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[–] calmblue75@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No, he would probably be out of the country.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 9 months ago

The premise is "in a competently run country"

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[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago

Not perfect, but Id accept that over gestures around

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The protest non-voters fell for it. Now we get generations of destruction to hopefully heal from.

[–] worhui@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

we aren't going to live long enough to see healing.

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[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago

I am sad because this is so true. I can hold very high hopes for the bright future, but I won't see it. At most I will see my dear ones and me live largely unharmed, and that's it

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

One of the biggest problems with the Democrats' campaign was they went all in on this "benevolent" interventionist policy, and denounced anyone who disagrees with it for any reason as a Russian bot. This papered over differences on the right and allowed Trump to simultaneously win over the libertarian isolationists who want to stay out of conflicts and the nationalists who want mask off imperialism, and that same inflexibility is what alienated the left.

[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 9 months ago

first time I'm hearing about Russian bots, but I've given up on democrats, i like them better when the DSA infiltrates' their party

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

According to MAGA, no war has yet occurred, only brief strikes & conflicts that quickly ended without declaration of war, which is technically true. This is how they rationalize it so far.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Russia is technically not at war with Ukraine as they have not officially declared it.

4 years later...

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 9 months ago

It's always some weird technicality to say it's not a war

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

We were always at war with eurasia

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[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

Is there any way we can convince Trump voters to NOT vote for Trump or whatever Republican nominee in the 2028 election?

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Of course there is, but violence is apparently frowned upon.

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 9 months ago

Kinda, but there this saying I heard "hard to be moral when it means giving up your friend group". So it seems like kinda need friend group that endorse left wing values

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[–] craftrabbit@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago

So if you're non-binary 18-25, voting for Trump means voting for war?

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Most of the American left is still going on about how bad Biden is 🤦‍♂️

[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 9 months ago

As a leftist I already moved on and thought about normalizing socialism

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Because he was.

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[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

I mean only the last paragraph is wrong. A vote for Trump is a vote for even more war and quicker fascism.

[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 9 months ago

Another guy already tried that, plus Biden didn't start wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (20 children)

With Lemmy being like half Russian bots, I think this won't go amiss.

#The Russian state and government interfered in the 2024 United States elections through disinformation and propaganda campaigns[1] aimed at damaging Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and other Democrats while boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump and other candidates who support isolationism and undercutting support for Ukraine aid and NATO.[2][3][4][5][6]

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 9 months ago (19 children)

I don't think there's many propaganda bots on lemmy since it's not big enough and there's corporations with much bigger and dumber audiences

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (18 children)

Oh yes, the old "I don't think there's Russians pn Lemmy".

Anyone who genuinely thinks that is either severely cognitively limited or a lying Russian. Usually it's the latter.

I could list a dozen off the top of my head. Start with davel@lemmy.ml. He insists he's a red-blooded American who happens to not know anything about the US, who happens to know fluent Russian and who happens to favour political positions which are all in line with Russia.

"Lemmy isn't big enough for" genuinely only a true moron would think that, or you're another disgusting lying Ruski. Russia is utterly shit at everything except spycraft and propaganda. I've met Vladimirs and Ivans on small national servers on Discord/Teamspeak etc. A guy who claimed he was Irish born and raised couldn't speak English without an extremely strong Russian accent and didn't know what a limerick is. Let alone what Limerick is.

So, you'd believe a guy called Ivan Ivanovich being 100% born and raised American with no Russian connections, as long as he said it on something that isn't Facebook? No, FB isn't even popular now. Xitter? Reddit? YouTube?

Because Russians would just never ever put propagandists to use less moderated services that they could spam their bullshit into without worry?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_disinformation

#So... are you spreading Russian propaganda on purpose, or are you just too dumb to realise you're doing it?

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 9 months ago (17 children)

Lol people only backpedal when they're dead wrong. Except you didn't backpedal on what you said you straight up deluded yourself into thinking I said Russia and not propaganda bots.

You live in fear and my push back is too much for you

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (16 children)

Got a bit mad there... Vanja? Hahahah.

A hit dog will holler if I ever saw one :DD

What does the first comment I made say again? Does it talk about propaganda bots in general, or Russian disinfo?

You're absolutely shit at this.

You live in fear

In fear of what? The pathetic Russians who are dying by the thousands for the past years? I'm an army trained sergeant in the Finnish reserves. I currently have a somewhat boring life due to bureaucracy. I would very much like to be geared up and sit in position and snipe Vanja as much as my heart desires.

What I live in is provocation. Provocation to anyone dumb enough to spread shitty Ruski propaganda, be it on accident or on purpose.

So you think all prpapganda is pushed by bots? Or are you trying to pretend you think that?

Here, have some of our propaganda, you coward.

Taistelukenttä 2020 | Slagfält 2020 | Battlefield 2020

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 9 months ago (15 children)

Stop reading after the second line because of the nonsense.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (14 children)

"I keep replying to comments I don't read, that's you how you know I'm right."

This is a forum. Are you gonna try replying without being able to address that you were in fact wrong to think "I deluded myself into thinking".

Like I said, you're shit at this. Most of them at least keep up the pretense for a day or two before succumbing to the "wyaah I can't read two paragraphs". Although that might just mean you're a subliterate American who's bought into all the Russian disinfo due to being severely cognitively limited.

So again, are you spreading propaganda on purpose or are you just too dumb to realise you're doing it?

What do I "live in fear of"? Not the Russian military. That's an international JOKE.

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 9 months ago (13 children)

Nice you're one of those people that beg me to take things seriously. If you wanted a serious conversation you'd actually talk about Russian propaganda bots on lemmy, not Russians

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Because bot accounts just configure themselves and when you're using bots to push out shit, you can never control what they push or use the account to make a comment?

So Russians definitely have nothing to do with spreading Russian propaganda that the bots have decided for themselves they post?

See the kind of convoluted bullshit "arguments" you have to invent.

Russian disinfo is everywhere. It's beyond ridiculous to say Russians and/or Russian bots aren't on Lemmy. It's so ridiculous, that one really starts suspecting anyone even implying it, because it either means you have a room temperature IQ or that you're doing it on purpose.

Oh and I don't really need to beg for anything when I can see that your just getting mad. Remember your blood pressure.

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 9 months ago (11 children)

Interesting your pumping out these text

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (10 children)

That's a very shit sentence if it's supposed to be English.

So are you spreading Russian propaganda on purpose or are you just too dumb to realise you're doing it?

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 9 months ago (9 children)

Did the English words tip you off?

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

Yes, they did. They tipped me off that it was your (not you're) attempt at functioning English. It failed quite spectacularly.

So. You can't address anything in the thread just like I said you wouldnt, because I've been down this path a million times with kids like you.

What am I living in fear of? Weird how you can't address anything in the thread you said because you can't back up your own words, isn't it? Pathetic, honestly. Pitiful. You deserve my pity. And you have it. Whatever your problems, you are clearly living in fear.

Never even been trained for war, have you? Poor little kiddo, getting so mad he just has to reply but can't actually do anything except childish oneliners. :((((

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Good then you know it was meant to be English

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (6 children)

This is exactly what I mean. Your ego forces you to reply. You can't accept that you took a massive L.

(also "meant to be" doesn't mean it succeeded, which you'd know if you weren't so terrible at using language)

What am I living in fear of? Weird how you can't address anything in the thread you said because you can't back up your own words. Pathetic, pitiful. I really hope your life improves because living in perpetual terror, shaking like the small dog you are, must be just a pain in the ass. But you don't have the balls to do anything about it.

Not even the courage to stand behind your own words. I know toddlers who aren't as afraid as you.

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Lol now you're begging me to admit I lost 🤣

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

You'll never do that. No matter how clear it is to everyone.

But exactly like I've said, you keep replying, while saying things like "I'm not capable of reading a comment that long but I'll continue my tantrum anyway". I'm paraphrasing ofc, because your English just doesn't do sentences like that. Nor does your psyche.

The proof is in the pudding, lil' buddy.

The fact that you can't answer what I'm supposedly living in fear of shows eveyone that you're so pathetic you can't stand behind your own words. What sort of a person would be so disingenuous? Oh wait, I think I might know. :D

Troubles answering, Vanja? Getting flustered? Angrier with every single reply, as you just can't address anything in the thre thread, but you have no control of your ego so you just can't let this go, despite not being able to say anyhting. Like I've said, I've seen this literally thousands of times. Every time you dance exactly to my tune. You could just stop replying. But you won't, because you're so annoyed that I'm right in that you're a pitiful pitiful little kiddo who can't stand behind his own words. <333 oh look i found a picture of you

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

i dont need you to admit you lost

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

I remember someone talking about "deluding themselves."

What was that about? Were you talking to me, or deluding yourself, like you are now?

You just have these pathetic one liners and a compulsion to reply. Just like I've said a half a dozen times. You're acting literally exactly as I've said you would, from the start.

You can't even explain what you're on about. You said I'm living in fear. In fear of what? You can't address anything in your previous replies. You're ashamed of your own words. How pathetic is that?

So, are you spreading Russian propaganda on purpose or are you just too dumb to realise you're doing it?

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

dont know or care. ill give you one last shot to prove there's Russian propaganda bots. if you dont ill stop responding

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

You rewrote the beginning of your comment, I see. Having a tantrum and you wanted to write some childish insults, because you're just shaking in your tightey-whiteys that I'm calling you pathetic and pitiful, because anyone who can't stand behind his own words or even acknowledge them is utterly pathetic.

So you're spreading Russian propaganda on purpose, got it. Because I refuse to believe that anyone could be so stupid as to not understand that when they can't stand behind their own words, they're engaging in bad faith. Even someone with as poor English as you can't be that stupid.

So you're just pathetic, because you can't say what I'm supposedly living in fear of?

Oh and to your "I'm threatening to go away"? I already told you several messages back you definitely should to avoid further embarrassment. But you won't. Because you think a reply (without answering anything or being able to address anything in the thread) will somehow erase your stupidity and you'll "get the last word" and thus "win". Come on, Vanja, everyone can see you can't back up your own words. And actual bots have already archived this, so your tantrum is recorded permanently. :)

This you? :Dddd