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[–] 12 points 10 months ago (8 children)

“We take action against illegal content on X, including Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM), by removing it, permanently suspending accounts, and working with local governments and law enforcement as necessary,” X’s “Safety” account claimed that same day.

It really sucks they can make users ultimately responsible.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    And yet they leave unfettered access to the tool that makes it possible for predators to do such vile shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    It's almost like the program is the source of the issue...

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    It's almost like you don't understand that the program was created by men.

    And naive enough to think they didn't know it would be used that way.

    Go you, I guess.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    So you agree, the man behind the program is the actual source of all of this?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Go back and read all of the earliest posts from me in this thread. See if you can figure it out on your own.

    Because I'm now realizing this whole space, fuck_ai, is being literal and none of you can read for comprehension because of the AI addiction.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I think it's wrong that they carry no liability. At the end of the day they know the product can be used this way, they haven't implemented any safety protocols to prevent this, and while the users prompting Grok are at fault for their own actions, the platform and AI LLM are being used to facilitate it where other AI LLM'S have guard rails to prevent it. In my mind that alone should make them partially liable.

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  • [–] 59 points 10 months ago (60 children)

    PREDATORS used Grok to deepfake...

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  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago (11 children)
  • [+] -6 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Sure, and that's bad too.

    But Elon isn't making those pervs do pervy things. He's just making it easier.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Sure, and that's bad too.

    If being a producer of child pornography earns a "sure, that's bad too" I'm going to just assume you are cool with the whole thing.

    The person producing the child porn is infinitely worse.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    You got lost buddy. "Sure that's bad too" was referring to the makers of Grok.

    I point of fact my first response was exactly about the predators using Grok.

    Hope this helps.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Nope, I got it, I just am now realizing there is something very wrong with you.

    You are letting the cp peddler off lighter than it's users. That means that you are morally deficient. That is the point I was trying to make earlier.

    Hope this helps.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Go to my original post and point to where I said anything about letting anyone off. Actually said it. Not didn't respond the way that you apparently need people to respond to make you comfortable.

    You didn't recently come here via Reddit by chance, did you? Because this is absolutely the most Reddit coded response I've seen lately.

    When a simple statement gets attacked for not including EVERY possibility for an "um akshually" guy. ::orbital eye roll::

    Were you truly not able to deduce that if I made the statement about PREDATORY MEN who used Grok that this included the PREDATORY MEN who enabled that use by Grok as well?

    Because "yes that's bad too" is only the opposite of that in YOUR head, buddy.

    I'm not dumbing down how I write and I expect a modicum of intelligence and discernment to elicit anything more than derision on my part. Especially accusations like yours so massage your holier-than-thou attitude.

    So just let me know how much help you need understanding simple statements of fact next time before you get yourself all hot and bothered.

    That goes for the morons who apparently agreed with this guy.

    Jesus.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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    You know I thought I was dealing with adults who were aware that the entire world knew this(minus the Elon-stans who refuse to acknowledge it), but apparently I was wrong and that every post here has to include that in it otherwise all the little feelings get hurt.

    Purity test subs are just fucking weird.

    Yes Elon is one of the pervs and he's the perv who makes it possible for other pervs to do heinous shit, but you know who else makes it possible for pervs to do heinous shit? The entire fucking internet because it, historically, runs on porn. Oh, and Photoshop.

    So lesson learned for me, I guess, because I have a habit of just posting willy-nilly on places like Lemmy. Note to self: check that the place isn't weird as fuck first.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (47 children)

    Guns don't kill people, etc etc...

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (46 children)

    Right, because they pull their own triggers, etc., etc....

    Edit: To clarify to make absolutely certain you can't possibly think I'm agreeing with you, I'm not complaining about Grok, although chatbot "AI" are stupid fucking tools for tools, I'm comlaining about the PREDATORS who use chatbots to do sexual deviancy shit. Not unlike the ammosexuals/ICE agents who fantasize about using their ARs to kill women.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (45 children)

    I guess I misinterpreted your comment. I thought you were trying to imply that all of the responsibility rested on the badly-behaving users and that the makers of Grok had no responsibility to prevent sexual harassment and CSAM on their platform.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (24 children)

    That is exactly what they are saying.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (23 children)

    Another weirdo who thinks "and that's bad too" is a statement of absolution for predators and those who abet them.

    Is that because of No Child Left Behind?

    Has Lemmy adopted the "um aksuually" guy Reddit standard for writing analysis and media literacy?

    No, person of dubious ability to comprehend what you read, this is NOT what I am saying, this is what you want to believe that I am saying. For some bizarre ass reason.

    White knighting? Red-pill accusations misdirect?

    Please, feel free to explain your logic and thoughts on this.

    I am genuinely curious.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (22 children)

    Nope. Just think that we should all recognize the root evil here is the Nazi billionaire that is selling a child porn subscription service.

    You know. Because Nazi billionaires selling child porn subscription services is a real actual terrible thing.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    And what makes you think "and that's bad too" doesn't? Seriously. Explain your work.

    Was there not enough histrionics or wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth for you?

    So explain your logic and thoughts about why you think EVERY FUCKING RESPONSE needs to cater to your whims?

    The entire fucking planet knows that Nazi trillionaires selling a service that can be used for child porn, at least be accurate, is BAD. Are you serious right now?

    DO you hang around so many Nazi pedos that this needs to be constantly reiterated lest you forget?

    Holy moly.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    Any dickless loser seeking out the material is a problem.

    The dude who institutionalized illegal porn is a worldwide threat to children. We are talking orders of magnitude more dangerous to individuals and to society.

    That the combination of words that I used to describe shouldn't even be allowed to exist and will likely be a liner notes in any surviving history.

    If we are outraged enough to admonish anyone involved it should be the child porn profiteer, not relegating his moral failings under the broad category of "oh, yea, that's bad, too."

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    Any dickless loser seeking out the material is a problem.

    Which is why I said as much in my very first response in this thread.

    The dude who institutionalized illegal porn is a worldwide threat to children. We are talking orders of magnitude more dangerous to individuals and to society.

    And what makes you think I don't/didn't believe this was true? Explain using full sentences, please.

    Thanks.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    I'm suggesting that Musk is creating a dangerous and unprecedented situation for children around the globe and that this should be everyones primary focus.

    You are essentially arguing that "all crimes matter," which isn't wrong but is woefully misguided.

    It is about the framing of the narrative.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    I'm suggesting that Musk is creating a dangerous and unprecedented situation for children around the globe and that this should be everyones primary focus.

    And that's cool. Start your own post. No one can read your mind, bro. And honestly, few people appreciate intrusive misunderstanding. You might want to work on that.

    You are essentially arguing that "all crimes matter," which isn't wrong but is woefully misguided.

    Wrong. YOU INTERPRETED IT THAT WAY.

    "And that's bad too" is apparently your trigger phrase. Have a better thinker than you explain why you over reacted.

    It is about the framing of the narrative.

    And you're the narrative police, apparently.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Wrong. YOU INTERPRETED IT THAT WAY.

    To use your words you seem triggered. You ok, bro?

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Oh I'm fine. I'm just trying to get thru to knuckleheads who can't read.

    "Um Akshually" Reddit Guy who can't read is one of my pet peeves.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

    So, what you are saying is that we can't make judgement calls and that all crimes matter?

    You really haven't managed to say anything otherwise.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    So, what you are saying is that we can't make judgement calls and that all crimes matter?

    Holy fuck, what?

    You really haven't managed to say anything otherwise.

    The truly weird thing here is you think YOU have.lol

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Really I've only rearticulated the same one-point repeatedly. I'm a bit shocked that we don't both hold consensus on that fact. But that's been my entire point.

    You are correct about one thing, you do remind me of Reddit. Somebody comes in with a difference of opinion and they must be flat out wrong.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    The weird thing for me is the purity test mentality of /fuck AI.

    It smacks of "methinks thou dost protest too much" or an utter lack of reading comprehension when you folks can't even seem to understand I was agreeing with it.

    This place is literally the worst kind of Reddit and I'm now wondering if you all aren't predator/pedos given the response I've gotten here.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    What makes you think I want to hang around pervs and pedos? LOL

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    I have had Grok generate a succinct summary of how we got to this point in the conversation.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Best work you've done so far.

    But then that's a loooow bar. lol

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You typing multiple paragraphs and then accusing the other user of over reacting is incredibly funny.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    The makers of Grok are responsible for all of its sins, yes.

    But mostly I was referring to the men who use software like this for those purposes.

    But this is nothing new. I'm old enough that I predate even using Photoshop for things like this.

    No, the problem is always perverted men.

    And for the incels, no, women don't do shit like that.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    I don't disagree. But my point is that, if creepy, predatory men are so ubiquitous, so shameless, and such a known factor (which anyone with half a brain should agree they are) then isn't the fastest and most efficient way to minimize harm removing the tools of abuse from the hands of the abusers?

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Sigh.

    So this is because I didn't paint with a broad brush and create a plan of action or are we tarring and feathering ANYONE associated with AI now (which I'm totally on board with, btw, just not something I bother writing in every statement I made)?

    The most efficient and effective way to minimize hard, in this case, would be chemical castration of all such abusers everywhere. Anything less is just cosplaying justice.

    Should I castigate you for NOT making that statement? Does that make you a horrible person who supports sex offenders? Don't you feel guilty for NOT including that in EVERY reply or post you make?

    See how weird that is?

    I find it so odd that because I made a statement about the predatory men who fucking use AI to do this you weirdos think this means that doesn't include Musk and his team who aid and abet them.

    Like it's WEIRD that some of you jumped to that conclusion. It's not just you. I've been posting on the internet since the mid 90s and late stage Reddit was the first time I encountered that kind of thing and I'm not sure where it came from. Maybe it was always there and I just never encountered it until then.

    But DAMN it is WEIRD.

    I mena, there's writing analysis and media literacy, and then there's whatever this wild speculation shit is.

    Do better man.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    The most efficient and effective way to minimize hard, in this case, would be chemical castration of all such abusers everywhere. Anything less is just cosplaying justice.

    Those drugs are actually of dubious utility unless you are just seeking to cause medical harm to people.

    And it has absolutely no bearing on AI. No amount of chemicals will stop grok, and from what I hear Elon's genitals may already be mangled and useless.

    You stop this sort of thing at the source.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Those drugs are actually of dubious utility

    Chemical, mechanical, whatever gets you even close to comprehending what I write.

    And it has absolutely no bearing on AI.

    So you're saying you want to just let these people roam the streets free to molest any little girl they find? Weird.

    You stop this sort of thing at the source.

    Good lord, I'm trying, but you can't seem to get it.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

    It is a program. You stop the program at the source. And you do that by going after to do two authorize the program.

    It really isn't that hard. We are discussing the world getting flooded with dangerous and illegal images and we should hold the man who actually did it in a great deal of contempt.

    And chemical castration (or any other form) is about the least effective way of dealing with it. It is brutal and ugly for no reason.

    One of my life's inspirations was chemically castrated. It is a horrible thing to have to go through.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Yea, we all liked Turing dude, you're not special.

    And why haven't you "stopped it at the source" if it bothers you so much that you're randomly attacking people on internet forums.

    Get up out of your gaming chair and do something about little keyboard warrior.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    And why haven't you "stopped it at the source" if it bothers you so much that you're randomly attacking people on internet forums.

    Shit, you are absolutely right. Why didn't I create laws and society that disallowed Musk to become who he is.

    Sorry about the oversight;

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Shit, you are absolutely right.

    Thanks. It was obvious when you're not nose deep in your own shit impotently railing at billionaires on a whatever you want to call Lemmy.

    The funniest thing to me was that you all dogpiled me because I didn't pass your anti-AI purity test when I was agreeing with you the entire time.

    So put down your keyboard title warrior and get to changing society. You are the Chosen One and it all hinges on YOU!

    Good luck!

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    Anti AI? I'm one of the dudes who helps invent the ideas people use. XD

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Ah, ok so /fuck_ai was a literal title for this place. Got it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    I man can have hobbies. Like laughing at bullshit.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Why do you think I keep goading you pedos?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Get up out of your gaming chair and do something about little keyboard warrior.

    That's actually a pretty funny claim. You do seem to be projecting a bit.

    My Ph.D. is in AI. Among other things I teach AI and other related subfields as well as computing ethics (a metric fuckton over the years). I study and publish on the state of AI systems and their ethical concerns and limitations. I'm currently working on policy for my university system.

    Each day I wake up and a portion of my responsibilities are to instill ethical behaviors in my students, and to support the world and policies around me in this area.

    I'm curious, Mr. Troll, are you doing anything in this particular arena besides popping a blood vessel over something that some random dude in the internet thinks?

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Wow, that old saying is true. If you can't do, you teach. I feel bad for your supposed students internet professor.

    are you doing anything in this particular arena besides popping a blood vessel over something that some random dude in the internet thinks?

    Yes, discovering this place can't even understand when someone is agreeing with them because they are so hard for their purity test.

    It's giving predators and pedos doing their best to dogpile someone who clearly understands the real issue are the predatory men using the tool, and not AI in general, because AI is a tool and predators/pedos have used tools like this since before the concept of AI existed.

    I'm getting that most of you are pissed off at AI because you aren't talented enough to get in on the action and would sell out to people like Musk in a heartbeat, but damn, is it necessary to smear shit everywhere while you do it?

    Rhetorical, don't bother "scree-ing" back.

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    Why is the headline putting the blame on an inanimate program? If those X posters had used Photoshop to do this, the headline would not be "Photoshop edited Good's body..."

    Controlling the bot with a natural-language interface does not mean the bot has agency.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know the specifics for this reported case, and I'm not interested in learning them, but I know part of the controversy with the grok deep fake thing when it first became a big story was that Grok was starting to add risqué elements to prompted pictures even when the prompt didn't ask for them. But yeah, if users are giving shitty prompts (and I'm sure too many are), they are equally at fault with Grok's devs/designers who did not put in safeguards to prevent those prompts from being actionable before releasing it to the public

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    But the software knows who she is, and why is software anywhere allowed to generate semi nude images of random women?

    Guns don't kill people but a lot of people in one country get killed with guns.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    In general, why is software anywhere allowed to generate images of real people? If it's not clearly identifiable as fake, it should be illegal imo (same goes for photoshop).

    Like I'd probably care much less if someone deepfaked a nude of me than if they deepfaked me at a pro-afd demo. Both aren't ok.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    In terms of how this is reported, at what point does this become streisanding by proxy? I think anything from the Melon deserves to be scrutinized and called out for missteps and mistakes. At this point, I personally don't mind if the media is overly critical about any of that because of his behavior. And what I'm reading about Grok is terrible and makes me glad I left Twitter after he bought it. At the same time, these "put X in a bikini" headlines must be drawing creeps towards Grok in droves. It's ideal marketing to get them interested. Maybe there isn't a way to shine the necessary light on this that doesn't also attract the moths. I just think in about ten years' time we will get a lot of "I started undressing people against their will on Grok and then got hooked" defenses in court rooms. And I wonder if there would've been a way to report on it without causing more harm at the same time.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    But will it show Elon's baby weenie?

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    OK. Very hot take.

    …Computers can produce awful things. That’s not new. They’re tools that can manufacture unspeakable stuff in private.

    That’s fine.

    It’s not going to change.

    And if some asshole uses it that way to damage others, you throw them in jail forever. That’s worked well enough for all sorts of tech.


    The problem is making the barrier to do it basically zero, automatically posting it to fucking Twitter, and just collectively shrugging because… what? Social media is fair discourse? That’s bullshit.

    The problem is Twitter more than Grok. The problem is their stupid liability shield.

    Strip Section 230, and Musk’s lawyers would fix this problem faster than you can blink.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    Without 230 its pretty clear that the web would die a messy death where people like Elon would be the only ones who could afford to offend anyone due to anyone with a few hundred or a few thousand being able to make you spend 30 or 40k defending themselves.

    Got any other stupid ideas?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Strip section 230 and the internet will be over. No small site will be able to survive, say goodbye to Lemmy too.

    I'd be okay with an expansion of 230 to the point where there are exceptions for large companies that can do the required work

    Point is: do not fuck with 230, please.

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  • [+] -14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I am not a musk fan but jeezus pleezus...If I bought a Henkel's chef knife and killed someone would the headline be "Henkel Killed Someone"? We need to rid ourselves of big media and bring independent journalism back. The ones who value facts and try to get as close to the truth as possible, not the "hate clicks for money" cabals.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    If the knife was sold to you with the knowledge that you were going to commit murder, the person who sold it to you could be up for a felony murder charge, or as an accessory.

    There's also product liability law. Meaning that if a company sells or proliferates a product without proper safety protocols in place and it causes harm that can be foreseen, they are liable.

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